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Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice (March 24th, 2016)
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Okay, I just came back, so, it's time for the all-encompasing "Kostis Review". Not that anybody cares, but... I'll break it down because I don't want to come off as a hater or something like that. I want people to see where I'm coming from and the reasons why I did/didn't like certain things. Just a note, the majority of comics I've read are Marvel ones, but I like both equally. I want that right out of the gate, so that I'm not labeled a studio fanboy. I like Valiant, DC, Marvel, Image, Boom!, etc, pretty much equally. Anyway, let's get started...
THE GOOD:
-Affleck's Batman: Affleck kills it. He's got the Wayne charisma, the presensce and absolute of Batman and is in general the movie's BEST character. He's intimidating, scary and virtually a beast of a man. Plus, we do get a bit of his engineering, detective and science skills, something that's been missing from most Live-Action versions. In short, he's great. If he helms the solo, I've got no reservations. Thumbs up!
-Gadot's Wonder Woman: Gadot, in her limited screen time, manages to capture the elegance, beauty, determination and general presensce of Diana. She's strong, absolute, "old", but still enjoyable. She's got reservations about the whole thing, but that doesn't stop her from fighting the good fight when she has to. Also, I'm really liking all the Greek nods. Her origin and roots are very important to me, so I'm glad it's being treated with respect. Alexander's Sword was a nice touch, and I'm really happy they didn't go the current route and specifically mention it's from Skopiaor some ****. Alexander was Greek was Greek, Macedonia is Greek, end of story. That might be political, but I'm not a fan of my country's legacy being stolen. I'm the first guy to judge our current state, because we deserve it, but don't touch out history. Either way, Gadot gets thumbs up from me, and if they continue treating her roots with respect, I'm all in. Thumbs up!
-Irons' Alfred: He's perfect! Tired, judge, sarcastic, but still supportive. He's so good he even makes the pretentious dialogue have gravitas. You ask me, he;s better than Caine. He looks and sounds like the grizzled English millitary man that Alfred is. He also shows his scientific side by helping Bruce with his suit, gadgets and the like. In general, he's brilliant. Thumbs up!
THE SO-SO:
-The costumes/feel: I have to say, I somewhat enjoyed the whole feel of the movie. It's not depressing or upbeat, it's somewhere in the middle. It could've been better, but eh, it's servicable. At times it's far too "look at me, I'm important!", but it is a nice change of pace from Marvel's sunny and always well lit screens. It's dark, but not hellish.
-The Fights: They're not great. They're far too videogame-y and they take you out of the film. Seriously, the CGI is atrocious there. The final Trinity vs Doomsday fight looks as if clay-people are fighting inside an oven. I really don't know where 3 years of work went... The Knightmare sequence is especially bad. Snyder tries to make his "hallway fight", but it doesn't even come close to Daredevil. Apart from that, the Batman/Superman fight is great, as Batman brings the pain. The final one, while messy, does have a certain "comic book" feel to it, that puts a smile on your face.
-Cavill's Superman: Cavill ain't bad, he just doesn't have lots to work with. All he gets to do is be compared to God and be moppy, that's it. It's as if MoS never happened, and this is his first time donning the tights. He's not Superman. If anything, he's Young Justice's early Superboy, who's not sure of his place in the world and feels a burden.
THE BAD:
-The Writting: Jesus Christ, is this film pretentious. Every Superman scene is filled with God talk. It's as if they wanted to make a film about the mortality of man, but instead went with "eh, let's shout GOD every 2 seconds, it's the same thing". It's not nuanced, it's not intelligent. It's hamfisted, boring and poorly conceived. The characters talk like they're reciting speeches, not like regular people.
-The Characterization: Superman doesn't care about people, he cares about Lois. Seriously, he practically says that in the bath scene. It's meant to be a "you're the most important thing for me" moment, but it comes off as a "screw the world, you're all I care about". Apart from that, Batman's morals are so relaxed at this point, that he might as well be Moon Knight. Seriously, I felt like watching Ellis' Moon Knight hit the screen. The anger, the branding, it's just not Batman. I get that he's at his darkest, but the deaths have no value. They don't make sense, and are just there for him to be "different".
THE EXTREMELY BAD:
-Eisenberg's Luthor:If you think he was annoying in the trailes, oh boy, are you in for a treat. He twitches, he screams, he makes incoherent speeches, he has no real motivation apart from ranting about God, and he's again, annoying. He's not the Luthor I know. He's not Animated Luthor, Earth One Luthor, Prime-Earth Luthor, Movie Luthor, Gods and Monsters Luthor, he's not even Lego Luthor. He's awful and when I say that, I mean it. He doesn't have any redeeming qualities. He's not the Ubersmench, the Ultimate Man whose jealousy gets the better of him. He's an angry and psychotic man-child. The final scene has him screaming "ding, ding, ding" for about a minute. Seriously, that's his final scene...
-The JL Set-Up: The visions make no sense. The Parademons aren't explained. Darkseid's Symbol isn't explained. Batman's visions in general aren't explained. It's all messy and clearly a "put them in so we can make Avengers money" decision. It doesn't anything, it doesn't explain Bruce's motivation and it feels really out of place. Plus, it's really short. If you've seen the fist 2 trailes, you've seen it all, seriously. More on the spoiler section...
-Doomsday: He's wasted, plain and simple. He grows some spikes as the fight goes on, but not enough for him to look like his comic counterpart. He feels like the final Boss in a video-game. No story, no sense, just a big, dumb, ugly brute for the heroes to fight and come together. He comes in as a dissapointment, and leaves as an even bigger dissapointment...
Now, onto the spoilers. There's nothing ground-breaking, as if you've seen the trailers and visited a site post-release, you know everything. There are no surprises or anything like that. Anyway, moving on:
SPOILERS:
GENERAL THOUGHTS:
This is a very messy and contrived movie, there's no doubt. It's not as bad as people make it, because the good make it worthy enough to waste 10$, but it's in no way good. It doesn't look like a 3 year project, more like a 1-year cash-grab. It's not the worst thing ever, but it's in no way a good set-up. It feels like the movie that should be the 4th or 5th in the DCEU, not the second. It's obviously a rush-job, but it has enough good things in there that make it a... not absymal starting point. I wouldn't see it again, but I may give the Blu-Ray a look just for the Batman scenes. I'd reccomend for you to see it, just out of curiosity. The Greek's Rating: 5/10
THE FUTURE:
Snyder has to go. It's no coincidence the Batman scenes are great and everything else is bad. Affleck and Terrio obviously touched those parts, but everything else is pure Snyder and Goyer. Pseudo-Intellectual BS, same old "nuanced" God v Man themes, just in general a bad tone. The "feel", meaning the whole lighting and vibe is god, but the underlaying themes are awful. get rid of Snyder, make Affleck the Batman head and bring in Miller for everything else. There's still hope, but Snyder has to go...
I should mention that he theatre was almost packed, which is strange, since it was the first showing, at 19:00. The next showing was full as well, so that bodes rather good for the Box Office. BUT, everytime the Superman, God V Man scenes came up, people groaned, a lot. When Batman was on screen everything was silent and people were glued to the screen, but the rest? Let's say they all probably felt the same as I did...
PARENTAL ADVISORY:
Personally, I wouldn't take anyone younger than 10, unless he/she can handle jump-scares, darkness, loud explosions and screams. There's a dream-scene in particular which goes like this: Bruce visits his mother's grave. He goes there and the stone starts to bleed. The movie goes silent as he touches the blood. For a while nothing is happening and then BAM! a giant, Bat-Demon-Zombie hybrid jumps out and starts screaming and opening its mouth... It's tasteless and only meant to make the film "mature".
TL;DR:
It's not awful, but it's not good. It has some good things that make it worthy of the price of admission. Let Snyder go, forget this, and move forward. It can only be better. And I can't believe I'm saying this, but... Make Batman the Iron Man of the universe. He deserves it, and is the only character/actor combination than can carry the DCEU and make everyone forget about this.
THE GOOD:
-Affleck's Batman: Affleck kills it. He's got the Wayne charisma, the presensce and absolute of Batman and is in general the movie's BEST character. He's intimidating, scary and virtually a beast of a man. Plus, we do get a bit of his engineering, detective and science skills, something that's been missing from most Live-Action versions. In short, he's great. If he helms the solo, I've got no reservations. Thumbs up!
-Gadot's Wonder Woman: Gadot, in her limited screen time, manages to capture the elegance, beauty, determination and general presensce of Diana. She's strong, absolute, "old", but still enjoyable. She's got reservations about the whole thing, but that doesn't stop her from fighting the good fight when she has to. Also, I'm really liking all the Greek nods. Her origin and roots are very important to me, so I'm glad it's being treated with respect. Alexander's Sword was a nice touch, and I'm really happy they didn't go the current route and specifically mention it's from Skopiaor some ****. Alexander was Greek was Greek, Macedonia is Greek, end of story. That might be political, but I'm not a fan of my country's legacy being stolen. I'm the first guy to judge our current state, because we deserve it, but don't touch out history. Either way, Gadot gets thumbs up from me, and if they continue treating her roots with respect, I'm all in. Thumbs up!
-Irons' Alfred: He's perfect! Tired, judge, sarcastic, but still supportive. He's so good he even makes the pretentious dialogue have gravitas. You ask me, he;s better than Caine. He looks and sounds like the grizzled English millitary man that Alfred is. He also shows his scientific side by helping Bruce with his suit, gadgets and the like. In general, he's brilliant. Thumbs up!
THE SO-SO:
-The costumes/feel: I have to say, I somewhat enjoyed the whole feel of the movie. It's not depressing or upbeat, it's somewhere in the middle. It could've been better, but eh, it's servicable. At times it's far too "look at me, I'm important!", but it is a nice change of pace from Marvel's sunny and always well lit screens. It's dark, but not hellish.
-The Fights: They're not great. They're far too videogame-y and they take you out of the film. Seriously, the CGI is atrocious there. The final Trinity vs Doomsday fight looks as if clay-people are fighting inside an oven. I really don't know where 3 years of work went... The Knightmare sequence is especially bad. Snyder tries to make his "hallway fight", but it doesn't even come close to Daredevil. Apart from that, the Batman/Superman fight is great, as Batman brings the pain. The final one, while messy, does have a certain "comic book" feel to it, that puts a smile on your face.
-Cavill's Superman: Cavill ain't bad, he just doesn't have lots to work with. All he gets to do is be compared to God and be moppy, that's it. It's as if MoS never happened, and this is his first time donning the tights. He's not Superman. If anything, he's Young Justice's early Superboy, who's not sure of his place in the world and feels a burden.
THE BAD:
-The Writting: Jesus Christ, is this film pretentious. Every Superman scene is filled with God talk. It's as if they wanted to make a film about the mortality of man, but instead went with "eh, let's shout GOD every 2 seconds, it's the same thing". It's not nuanced, it's not intelligent. It's hamfisted, boring and poorly conceived. The characters talk like they're reciting speeches, not like regular people.
-The Characterization: Superman doesn't care about people, he cares about Lois. Seriously, he practically says that in the bath scene. It's meant to be a "you're the most important thing for me" moment, but it comes off as a "screw the world, you're all I care about". Apart from that, Batman's morals are so relaxed at this point, that he might as well be Moon Knight. Seriously, I felt like watching Ellis' Moon Knight hit the screen. The anger, the branding, it's just not Batman. I get that he's at his darkest, but the deaths have no value. They don't make sense, and are just there for him to be "different".
THE EXTREMELY BAD:
-Eisenberg's Luthor:If you think he was annoying in the trailes, oh boy, are you in for a treat. He twitches, he screams, he makes incoherent speeches, he has no real motivation apart from ranting about God, and he's again, annoying. He's not the Luthor I know. He's not Animated Luthor, Earth One Luthor, Prime-Earth Luthor, Movie Luthor, Gods and Monsters Luthor, he's not even Lego Luthor. He's awful and when I say that, I mean it. He doesn't have any redeeming qualities. He's not the Ubersmench, the Ultimate Man whose jealousy gets the better of him. He's an angry and psychotic man-child. The final scene has him screaming "ding, ding, ding" for about a minute. Seriously, that's his final scene...
-The JL Set-Up: The visions make no sense. The Parademons aren't explained. Darkseid's Symbol isn't explained. Batman's visions in general aren't explained. It's all messy and clearly a "put them in so we can make Avengers money" decision. It doesn't anything, it doesn't explain Bruce's motivation and it feels really out of place. Plus, it's really short. If you've seen the fist 2 trailes, you've seen it all, seriously. More on the spoiler section...
-Doomsday: He's wasted, plain and simple. He grows some spikes as the fight goes on, but not enough for him to look like his comic counterpart. He feels like the final Boss in a video-game. No story, no sense, just a big, dumb, ugly brute for the heroes to fight and come together. He comes in as a dissapointment, and leaves as an even bigger dissapointment...
Now, onto the spoilers. There's nothing ground-breaking, as if you've seen the trailers and visited a site post-release, you know everything. There are no surprises or anything like that. Anyway, moving on:
SPOILERS:
-The JL Files: Eh, they're...okay, I guess? They look cool, and what I'm guessing is the Mother-Box is cool-looking, but it's so blatantly cheap as a stunt, that it ruined the whole thing for me. Seriously, them hyping Flash, Aquaman and the like was just a stunt. Momoa appears for seconds and... is there... Allen looks like Ezra. Ponytail, black hair, stubble and all.
-The Flash Visit: Um... what? So, he travels back in time to warn Bruce, but all of that happens inside his dream... I repeat, what? Going back in time I get, but did he cross inside the dream of a dream? What is he, Sandman/Morpheus? The sequence goes: Knightmare ->Bruce wakes up ->Flash appears -> Bruce wakes up again. It doesn't make sense and it's really out of place. His suit has a faceplate with no eyes... He looks like an all-red Iron Man TBH.
-Luthor's Motivation: My guess is that Deesad is playing both him and Bruce. When he's sent to prison he talks about demons and things beyond the stars. It's obviously what they wanted to do, possibly with a Darkseid Post-Credits scene, but it'd have been to similar to the Avengers one, so they dropped it. Thing is, this seriously hurts the film, as Luthor doesn't really have a motive otherwise.
-Superman's Death: So, he dies in his second outing, and then, before the funeral is even over, he essentially rises again... Even Jesus waited 3 days. This is just... bad, man. His death has no meaning or gravitas, it just happens to give Bruce motivation. Which is laughable, cause 1 day ago he wanted to kill him, and then he talks as if they were best buds.
-Martha: So, let me get this straight: Batman's ready to kill Superman. But then, Superman talks about a Martha, which triggers a repressed emotions and leads Batman to reconsider. Okay, corny, but I can buy it. What I don't buy is Superman referring to his mother as "Martha". Jee, you'd think he'd say something like "he's going to kill my mother!" but no, he says "Martha". Well, I guess I should start calling my dad "goodnight Sotiris", like he's my best bud. It's contrived that it's awful.
In general, it feels as if this was supposed to be the 4th or 5th movie, and the files and such nods, but instead, we get them as introductions. A MoS sequel should've been first, setting up Deesad and Luthor, who slowly influences him. Having him just mention real-life threats out of the blue during the last few minutes is idiotic and reeks of desperation. The Cyborg bit is especially bad. Had we seen the explosion and all that in a previous film, it would've been goose-bump worthy to see his father's progress. As it stands, he's just a guy trying to save another guy by using a random mcguffin. Weak, weak, weak. More movies were needed, and this should've been the bridge between them, not their set-up.
-The Flash Visit: Um... what? So, he travels back in time to warn Bruce, but all of that happens inside his dream... I repeat, what? Going back in time I get, but did he cross inside the dream of a dream? What is he, Sandman/Morpheus? The sequence goes: Knightmare ->Bruce wakes up ->Flash appears -> Bruce wakes up again. It doesn't make sense and it's really out of place. His suit has a faceplate with no eyes... He looks like an all-red Iron Man TBH.
-Luthor's Motivation: My guess is that Deesad is playing both him and Bruce. When he's sent to prison he talks about demons and things beyond the stars. It's obviously what they wanted to do, possibly with a Darkseid Post-Credits scene, but it'd have been to similar to the Avengers one, so they dropped it. Thing is, this seriously hurts the film, as Luthor doesn't really have a motive otherwise.
-Superman's Death: So, he dies in his second outing, and then, before the funeral is even over, he essentially rises again... Even Jesus waited 3 days. This is just... bad, man. His death has no meaning or gravitas, it just happens to give Bruce motivation. Which is laughable, cause 1 day ago he wanted to kill him, and then he talks as if they were best buds.
-Martha: So, let me get this straight: Batman's ready to kill Superman. But then, Superman talks about a Martha, which triggers a repressed emotions and leads Batman to reconsider. Okay, corny, but I can buy it. What I don't buy is Superman referring to his mother as "Martha". Jee, you'd think he'd say something like "he's going to kill my mother!" but no, he says "Martha". Well, I guess I should start calling my dad "goodnight Sotiris", like he's my best bud. It's contrived that it's awful.
In general, it feels as if this was supposed to be the 4th or 5th movie, and the files and such nods, but instead, we get them as introductions. A MoS sequel should've been first, setting up Deesad and Luthor, who slowly influences him. Having him just mention real-life threats out of the blue during the last few minutes is idiotic and reeks of desperation. The Cyborg bit is especially bad. Had we seen the explosion and all that in a previous film, it would've been goose-bump worthy to see his father's progress. As it stands, he's just a guy trying to save another guy by using a random mcguffin. Weak, weak, weak. More movies were needed, and this should've been the bridge between them, not their set-up.
GENERAL THOUGHTS:
This is a very messy and contrived movie, there's no doubt. It's not as bad as people make it, because the good make it worthy enough to waste 10$, but it's in no way good. It doesn't look like a 3 year project, more like a 1-year cash-grab. It's not the worst thing ever, but it's in no way a good set-up. It feels like the movie that should be the 4th or 5th in the DCEU, not the second. It's obviously a rush-job, but it has enough good things in there that make it a... not absymal starting point. I wouldn't see it again, but I may give the Blu-Ray a look just for the Batman scenes. I'd reccomend for you to see it, just out of curiosity. The Greek's Rating: 5/10
THE FUTURE:
Snyder has to go. It's no coincidence the Batman scenes are great and everything else is bad. Affleck and Terrio obviously touched those parts, but everything else is pure Snyder and Goyer. Pseudo-Intellectual BS, same old "nuanced" God v Man themes, just in general a bad tone. The "feel", meaning the whole lighting and vibe is god, but the underlaying themes are awful. get rid of Snyder, make Affleck the Batman head and bring in Miller for everything else. There's still hope, but Snyder has to go...
I should mention that he theatre was almost packed, which is strange, since it was the first showing, at 19:00. The next showing was full as well, so that bodes rather good for the Box Office. BUT, everytime the Superman, God V Man scenes came up, people groaned, a lot. When Batman was on screen everything was silent and people were glued to the screen, but the rest? Let's say they all probably felt the same as I did...
PARENTAL ADVISORY:
Personally, I wouldn't take anyone younger than 10, unless he/she can handle jump-scares, darkness, loud explosions and screams. There's a dream-scene in particular which goes like this: Bruce visits his mother's grave. He goes there and the stone starts to bleed. The movie goes silent as he touches the blood. For a while nothing is happening and then BAM! a giant, Bat-Demon-Zombie hybrid jumps out and starts screaming and opening its mouth... It's tasteless and only meant to make the film "mature".
TL;DR:
It's not awful, but it's not good. It has some good things that make it worthy of the price of admission. Let Snyder go, forget this, and move forward. It can only be better. And I can't believe I'm saying this, but... Make Batman the Iron Man of the universe. He deserves it, and is the only character/actor combination than can carry the DCEU and make everyone forget about this.
jye4ever
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My viewing tonight is dedicated to those murdered by a coward hiding behind mental disease 4 years ago which was the last time Batman graced the silver screen.
Shame The Punisher hasn't made his way into that POS cell yet.
Shame The Punisher hasn't made his way into that POS cell yet.
Nice review 
I feel like a driver who has come upon an accident.....I feel inclined to rubberneck (keep coming back ) tho I know better....this thread has made me want to see the movie this weekend when I had zero intention doing so...damn freaks
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jye4ever
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Snyder's job is safe, sold out IMAX showing.
Things are always darkest before the dawn. Even if BvS is poor JL can still be great.
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There are numerous IMAX sell outs here locally- BIG BIG BIG--- next week we shall have to see...
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That's crazy...that didn't happen to me when I went to see SW:TFA
Things are always darkest before the dawn. Even if BvS is poor JL can still be great.
Uma looked so good in that film though
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