Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice (March 24th, 2016)

[Matt S]

Zach Snyder plateaued w Watchman. That movie had great casting. His movies since have had bad bad bad casting.

 

[Victοr]

Zach Snyder plateaued w Watchman. That movie had great casting. His movies since have had bad bad bad casting.

The problem's not the casting, it's the script and direction.

 

[Khev]

Well I should probably check out of this thread until after I see this movie which looks like won't be until Monday or Tuesday.

A request to my fellow Marvel fans in the meantime:

Please be cool. DC, Supes, and Snyder are taking a beating here, no need to gloat. In any given year one of our most anticipated movies like Civil War, Infinity War, etc., could crash and burn so let's just be civil and let any folks here who really do enjoy the film have a place to share their enthusiasm. If you're dicks about this film's reception then you know you're going to have to deal with that same crap when your film is in the spotlight.

I'm not saying that the film can't be deconstructed or criticisms discussed, as I'm sure there will be many, just be cool in how you go about it.

 

[kryptonianmutie]

This movie has to be on track to become the highest grossing critically panned film ever.

 

[Victοr]

Well I should probably check out of this thread until after I see this movie which looks like won't be until Monday or Tuesday.

A request to my fellow Marvel fans in the meantime:

Please be cool. DC, Supes, and Snyder are taking a beating here, no need to gloat. In any given year one of our most anticipated movies like Civil War, Infinity War, etc., could crash and burn so let's just be civil and let any folks here who really do enjoy the film have a place to share their enthusiasm. If you're dicks about this film's reception then you know you're going to have to deal with that same crap when your film is in the spotlight.

I'm not saying that the film can't be deconstructed or criticisms discussed, as I'm sure there will be many, just be cool in how you go about it.

Apart from a few jabs at Marvel, I don't see anyone gloating here, things are actually rather tame. Especially compared to other sites like IMDB or ComicVine. Personally, I wrote my piece, and in-depth. The problem, IMO, is Snyder and possibly Studio interference. Affleck's great, Gadot's great, the rest are servicable, and with a better, tighter story, it could've been much better. As it stands, DC had to keep the good stuff and move on. Oh, and ditch Snyder. Did I mention that?

 

[Khev]

Apart from a few jabs at Marvel, I don't see anyone gloating here, things are actually rather tame. Especially compared to other sites like IMDB or ComicVine. Petsonally, I wrote my piece, and in-depth. The problem, IMO, is Snyder and possibly Studio interference. Affleck's great, Gafot's great, the rest are servicable, and with a better, tighter story, it could've been much better. As it stands, DC had to keep the good stuff and move on. Oh, and ditch Snyder. Did I mention that?

Yep, I agree. So far it hasn't been too bad. Your review was great. But this evening is when the floodgates open and the masses start pouring into the theaters so I thought I'd throw that out there before I checked out for the weekend.

 

[Victοr]

Yep, I agree. So far it hasn't been too bad. But people are just now starting to go see it en masse so I thought I'd throw that out there before I checked out for the weekend.

Oh, that makes sense. Because yeah, I imagine as more people see it, certain folks might not be too restrained and go off the rails. We'll see...

 

[Khev]

Looks like I edited my post after you had started to respond. I did add that your review was great! No one has to pretend to like the movie, hell everyone can hate it. It'd just be nice if people don't use that as a reason to tear down others' enthusiasm or openly gloat about the film's reception. It's lame and what goes around comes around.

 

[Victοr]

Looks like I edited my post after you had started to respond. I did add that your review was great! No one has to pretend to like the movie, hell everyone can hate it. It'd just be nice if people don't use that as a reason to tear down others' enthusiasm or openly gloat about the film's reception. It's lame and what goes around comes around.

Agreed. Your opinion is your own, just don't resort to jabs and vitriol to make your point. Preferences vary, but they should always be supported by logical reasons IMO. Otherwise, what's the point? If I want to see people scream at each other over which brand is better, I'll go watch a football match. Granted, that's far more dangerous, as you might get your head bashed in, but you get the point...

 

[Darkseed]

Yep, I agree. So far it hasn't been too bad. Your review was great. But this evening is when the floodgates open and the masses start pouring into the theaters so I thought I'd throw that out there before I checked out for the weekend.

Both fans do their fair share of pokes.....dark, gritty realism of DC v light, fun comical tone of Marvel. It's bound to get worse....like pre-adolescents trying to prove their point....should be fun reading

 

[Matt S]

The problem's not the casting, it's the script and direction.

With respect to casting, I beg to differ. His choice as Lex Luther is painful. And Ben Affleck has no emotional range as an actor. he's a much better director for sure. I could go on, but frankly I am sorta over this movie. I refuse to feel bad for Z. Snyder. I am sure his Millions in the bank will be a nice consolation prize when people say he is the McG of today.

 

[Victοr]

With respect to casting, I beg to differ. His choice as Lex Luther is painful. And Ben Affleck has no emotional range as an actor. he's a much better director for sure.

I found Eisenberg dreadful ( he's filed under EXTREMELY Bad in my review) but I believe with the right script, he might do something worthwhile. Maybe... We're stuck with him, might as well be optimistic... As for Affleck, he's improved in recent years. Argo, The Town, Gone Girl, all good flicks. Personally, I think he killed it as Batman, but I will agree that he could've been better... if the script was as well. Let's see how he does in his solo film. But anyway, Snyder is the biggest problem IMO.

 

[Super Goblin]

This movie reaffirmed my opinion that most movie critics are idiots and think they are smarter than they actually are.

I thought overall this movie was great. One of the best comic book movies made. The only Marvel movie I would put ahead of it is TWS. I enjoyed this more than MoS, which I loved and all of the Nolan movies.

I don't get the pacing or editing or direction complaints. The way this movie flowed from scene to scene was just like going from comic book panel to panel.

This movie seemed smarter and more serious than any Marvel which I liked.

Also I'm not a Marvel hater I have seen all movie movies and only really thought the Thor ones sucked.

Everybody in the theater seemed to enjoy it as well, everyone cheered and clapped at WW first appearance in costume. It was such a great feeling seeing the Trinity together on the screen.

People have really over exaggerated the Batman killing thing too. If you believed what people have posted here you would think Batman is out killing left and right. I doubt he killed more than any other Batman in a movie. It certainly didn't feel like he did.

I do feel like they gave away way too much in the trailers. They should have held back in Bruce's lines and Doomsday.

I know this post doesn't flow well, just wanted to give my thoughts after just seeing this.

Oh also I feel like this was the best portrayal of Lex behind Clancy Brown. Really had the crazy scientist vibe that Lex had in his early comic days.

 

[Victοr]

I'm not one to criticize opinions, but I just want to say this: Regardless of your stance, I find it in poor taste to classify everyone that disagrees with you as "idiots". Judge the movie/game/book itself, don't go out of your way to trash that which is different. A review is supposed to walk the balance between personal enjoyment and logical reasoning. Start the comparisons and trashing, and you lose all credibillity. Just my 0.02$...

 

[jye4ever]

I'mmmmmmm back!

 

[YoNoSe]

Well, I just got back. Did not find much to enjoy. I'll spoiler tag my random observations but the short version is - I doubt I'll ever consider spending another 2+ hours on this. I'm not really surprised by what I saw, not mad, just feel deflated. I don't mean to bum anybody out so please skip my post if you don't want to read mostly negative observations and spoilers.

I will also say that after one viewing I may have missed things so it's quite possible some of my points may be erroneous.

Spoiler

The whole thing felt terribly empty. Even when things were happening - which seems to take forever - there's zero investment in it.

If you didn't like the Superman from MOS, he's possibly even more mopey and unlikeable here.

Kept waiting for a great Batman moment. Affleck seems willing and able but it's not there. The warehouse fight is almost exactly like watching Arkham gameplay and that's the best scene in the movie.

I can't think if a single memorable line.

Lex is directly descended from the Schumacher Batman school of villainy.

After the opening scene there is no sense of urgency. Seems like long stretches of nothing leading up to weightless cgi action between characters that don't even have relationships.

Wonder Woman's appearance was the only moment that got a reaction from the audience I saw it with. Her appearance was the first time I felt like I had someone to root for...I guess because the leads were mostly dull and she was something new.

There are beautiful shots throughout. It's very dark and gloomy. That in itself isn't a problem but there's no substance to it.

Batman's disregard for human life is never addressed. He doesn't go out of his way to murder anyone directly but he sure doesn't care. They do show a presumably-deceased Robin's costume but there's no mention that it, or anything else has driven him to new levels of violence. Just business as usual blowing people up.

The Gotham police are not on Batman's side. They are terrified of him and shoot at him. So why is there a bat signal and who uses it?

The inclusion of other JL members is really forced. Aquaman in particular is quite silly.

The screening was deadly silent for the most part. At one point, I can't remember when, someone just burst into hysterical laughter as the camera lingered on some super-serious, dreary image. A lot of other people laughed. Despite that, a few people did clap at the end.

Anyway, that's my two cents. I wish there was more to chew on but I don't even really have the desire to discuss it further. If you loved it I'm not here to rain on your parade. More power to you. I still look forward to Suicide Squad.

 

[WWEJedi]

This movie reaffirmed my opinion that most movie critics are idiots and think they are smarter than they actually are.

I thought overall this movie was great. One of the best comic book movies made. The only Marvel movie I would put ahead of it is TWS. I enjoyed this more than MoS, which I loved and all of the Nolan movies.

I don't get the pacing or editing or direction complaints. The way this movie flowed from scene to scene was just like going from comic book panel to panel.

This movie seemed smarter and more serious than any Marvel which I liked.

Also I'm not a Marvel hater I have seen all movie movies and only really thought the Thor ones sucked.

Everybody in the theater seemed to enjoy it as well, everyone cheered and clapped at WW first appearance in costume. It was such a great feeling seeing the Trinity together on the screen.

People have really over exaggerated the Batman killing thing too. If you believed what people have posted here you would think Batman is out killing left and right. I doubt he killed more than any other Batman in a movie. It certainly didn't feel like he did.

I do feel like they gave away way too much in the trailers. They should have held back in Bruce's lines and Doomsday.

I know this post doesn't flow well, just wanted to give my thoughts after just seeing this.

Oh also I feel like this was the best portrayal of Lex behind Clancy Brown. Really had the crazy scientist vibe that Lex had in his early comic days.

You liked everything about it? Who would have thought!

 

[snoop101]

Very odd mess of a movie to say the least. The editing was all over the place. I don't know what to think right now. MOS was definitely better, if you disliked that, oh man are you in for a treat.

 

[WWEJedi]

just be cool in how you go about it.

Well.... the standard here for going about giving reviews (from my experience) is just saying the person who likes said movie is an ***** and then proceeding to completely trash the movie without logic or reason continuously poking fun at it and the person who liked it.

Why should I be held to a different standard than that?

 

[Ropen]

This movie was great, felt like I was watching a comic book on screen.


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