Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice (March 24th, 2016)

[meanstreak]

Why were those people waiting for Bruce to give the ok the leave the building?

I thought that scene was dumb. They were basically having a meeting while an alien ship is wreaking havoc visibly out of their window.

Boss says to go! Let's go...

 

[Ropen]

The fact that Batman is killing shouldn't be trivialized, this isn't Batman killing in his first night out, this is Batman killing after probably 20 years of not killing, 20 years of him seeing and living **** that even got HIM to break and not give a **** about criminals anymore. It's not him just not trying, it's him after 20 years of trying going to **** because of the stuff he's been through, comics have always flirted with crossing that hypothetical line, well, this is showing us what that looks like.

I like regular Batman as much as anyone, but I often wonder, does scary Batman even work if he doesn't kill? No it doesn't. Criminals develop this mentality of "I know you're gonna send me to jail, lets get it over with, what are you gonna do? I'm more scared of my boss than I am of you", hell, Batman's says "I am vengeance", it's interesting Batman has now blurred the lines between justice and vengeance FOR REAL, because otherwise there's no real dissonance, between Supes and Bats.

And about Batman being a dudebro no, just no. Plus there's nothing wrong with Luthor manipulating Batman, Luthor is MUCH smarter than Batman.

About the spear, why do people assume to know more about the topic than Batman who's been working on the kryptonite weapons himself? How do you even know kryptonite bullets would even work on Supes here? What if they're too fast to even manage to weaken Supes fast enough to pierce his skin and they just bounce off him like regular bullets? Even with Kryptonite gas Supes was still able to tank all sorts of blows and going through buildings and stuff... Now a spear, you wave it on front of him a little, make him weak, and then you kill him, why risk wasting kryptonite on bullets that may get lost and may not work? They made clear in this universe that Kryptonite is not easy to come by, unlike the comics where everyone has their own supply of kryptonite to use whenever they need to even things out.

Plus, a spear is ****ing cooler.

That's my 2 cents.

I have been saying this since day one. I guess people are numb when it comes to viewing batman kill on screen since he does indirectly a lot of times, he just doesn't shoot anyone like in this flick...

My question is how does he weaponize the kryptonite into gas

 

[Adolfo]

I don't think it's possible for DiFabio to never bring his A game.

He's probably drunk at a bar posting **** like that!

TDKR took alot outta him bro..fo sho...

 

[DiFabio]

^@gaspars post

Agree with all that. I loved Affleck's line as Bruce Wayne where he compares criminals to weeds. How he was naive when he was younger and that how they all just grow back and pop up anyway no matter how many you take out. We don't know a lot about this Batman, but I loved the burnt out, at the end of his rope characterization.

I'd love if the solo movie delves into this Batman's life before BvS. Make Affleck look younger, lose the salt and pepper hair. Make the TDKR inspired **** blue and grey with the yellow oval and show his descent into the Batman we get in BvS. Go from that idealistic "I won't kill you" Batman fighting tame criminals, to this cynical, brutish, veteran Batman that's seen it all.

 

[GasparZizou]

My question is how does he weaponize the kryptonite into gas

With comicbook science!

 

[Destro]

 

[IrishJedi]

So is WW immortal? Obviously she can be killed, but since she's over a hundred years old, does that mean she can't died of natural causes?

She's like 3,000 years old. She's a demi-god.

Kinda like Thor, except she's way hotter and doesn't need a hammer to fly or kick ***.

 

[Johnny Utah]

Irish did you see my question a few pages back?

 

[IrishJedi]

This is a great example of the condescending ******** attitude that permeates some of the sanctimonious proponents of every facet comcerning this movie.

And you've been guilty of the same exact thing in this very thread.

 

[IrishJedi]

Irish did you see my question a few pages back?

No, this thread moves WAY to fast. What was it?

 

[GasparZizou]

^@gaspars post

Agree with all that. I loved Affleck's line as Bruce Wayne where he compares criminals to weeds. How he was naive when he was younger and that how they all just grow back and pop up anyway no matter how many you take out. We don't know a lot about this Batman, but I loved the burnt out, at the end of his rope characterization.

I'd love if the solo movie delves into this Batman's life before BvS. Make Affleck look younger, lose the salt and pepper hair. Make the TDKR inspired **** blue and grey with the yellow oval and show his descent into the Batman we get in BvS. Go from that idealistic "I won't kill you" Batman fighting tame criminals, to this cynical, brutish, veteran Batman that's seen it all.

Yup, he even goes as far as to imply 20 years of fighting criminals amounts to nothing.

Even the line "My parents taught me a different lesson, dying in the gutter, for no reason at all" was a good line and it shows how Batman is so gone.

What story would you like them to cover in his solo movie, I think it should be pre BvS too, with full moral Batman.

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I said in this movie. I'm well aware of the comics.

Kryptonite has been nerfed big time in this movie, as it SHOULD. I always thought it was ******** to have kryptonite be an instant trump card against Superman. To the point of just having a small ring with a little rock was enough to let you punch Supes :

No, in this one, if you have Kryptonite you still need an armor with hydraulic power to land a few punches.

 

[Destro]

And you've been guilty of the same exact thing in this very thread.

Find where I said someone wasn't smart and was akin to a child for liking this movie. Don't worry....i'll wait.

 

[Ropen]

Guys this is the greatest read you guys will ever have on this:

22 Heinous Crimes Committed By Batman And Superman


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[The Clown Prince of Crime]

The fact that Batman is killing shouldn't be trivialized, this isn't Batman killing in his first night out, this is Batman killing after probably 20 years of not killing, 20 years of him seeing and living **** that even got HIM to break and not give a **** about criminals anymore. It's not him just not trying, it's him after 20 years of trying going to **** because of the stuff he's been through, comics have always flirted with crossing that hypothetical line, well, this is showing us what that looks like.

The film fails to make that clear. Batman just kills people like they're roaches...and not once does the film make a big deal of it, especially if Batman has spent 20 years without killing, and now all of sudden he kills. Well, they should make his first kill meaningful, just like Rorschach first kill in Watchmen...that was clear, that was him crossing the line and that event having some kind of effect on the character, something this film didn't even care about if this was indeed a tired Batman who feels like crossing that line.

About the spear, why do people assume to know more about the topic than Batman who's been working on the kryptonite weapons himself?

Because we know how Kryptonite works? This film did not invent the concept of Kryptonite. There was nothing different or new about this film's Kryptonite or the effects that it has on Kryptonians.

How do you even know kryptonite bullets would even work on Supes here? What if they're too fast to even manage to weaken Supes fast enough to pierce his skin and they just bounce off him like regular bullets?

How does he know a stick is going to work? Or gas for that matter? He just does. The film shows how Kryptonite immediately destroys the cells. A large bullet will penetrate Sups skin faster and with more force than Batman can ever generate with his arms by stabbing him.

Even with Kryptonite gas Supes was still able to tank all sorts of blows and going through buildings and stuff... Now a spear, you wave it on front of him a little, make him weak, and then you kill him, why risk wasting kryptonite on bullets that may get lost and may not work? They made clear in this universe that Kryptonite is not easy to come by, unlike the comics where everyone has their own supply of kryptonite to use whenever they need to even things out.

Again, bullets would work...especially at close range, just like the regular bullets filled with Kryptonite worked...he never lost them and they always hit the target. If anything, a bullet is a more logical weapon to use against Superman, because Superman is used to getting shot and not dogging bullets, because he's so confident that he can get shot, but since he doesn't know about Kryptonite, it would be a total surprise.

 

[Johnny Utah]

No, this thread moves WAY to fast. What was it?

Has Zack done a commentary on the movie for the bluray yet? I love his blurays, they're always great with extras. I'm also serious when I ask this - any chance I could somehow get an autograph? He's one of my favorite directors, I loved the film, I actually want to get him a pint because this DC fan really enjoyed his work and I don't care what anyone thinks.

Also, any idea if he has seen or if any of the cast have seen or given feedback on their HT figures?

 

[DiFabio]

Why were those people waiting for Bruce to give the ok the leave the building?

Probably because that's what happened to some New Yorkers during 9/11. A lot of them were told to stay in the buildings and to not evacuate. I think a lot of people stayed in the World Trade centers at first.

There is this vibe throughout BvS that is just so gruesome and sick. You have this almost satanic Lex Luthor doing weird sacrificial stuff in a pool with a naked man where he's cutting himself and making this abomination baby. He rants and raves like an evil little ******* about devil's and gods. You have two clinically depressed superheroes who keep having morose visions of death and futures where they're both ****ed and have lost everything. You have all this 9/11 imagery. Senate hearings that result in all the people dying in an explosion caused by a manipulated cripple that also lost his wife and kids. I got some seriously disturbing, evil vibes from it. How sick was it that Luthor intended to have his men burn Ma Kent alive like a witch? Luthor is a freak and you instantly get these morose feelings when he's in the Krtptonian ship, like he's into witch craft or something. That "communion" deleted scene is disturbing. Then man, those damn Polaroids where it looks like they beat and ***** Ma Kent, it's just messed up.

I mean, I'm not a big fan of the quippy, humorous, cotton candy tone of the Marvel movies, but there are some serious bad vibes running throughout these DC movies. It goes back to Nolan's TDKR where we had terrorist suicide bombers that wanted to destroy an innocent city (of mostly orphans) just because they themselves were twisted with a crazy ideology. Then that morphed into Man of Steel where we have Pa Kent suggesting that maybe the best thing to do is not help or save people and commits suicide just so his son isn't accidentally exposed. Zod and his Kryptonian soldiers were ruthless and we get that great Superman imagery of Kal-El falling into a pool of dead people's skulls as Zod probes his mind. Did I mention those terraforming devices lifting up metropolis citizens and smashing them into the ground repeatedly!

I don't think these movies should be "fun" or light, but it's hard not to have these cynical feelings when presented with disturbing imagery and ideas that we see almost every day in the news. Can you imagine if the Reeve Superman movies or Star Wars was a product of their times with that pessimistic attitude from a post-Vietnam world? They would have sucked and there would have been zero escapism.

 

[Ropen]

All I know is that the figures now need a spear


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[Johnny Utah]

I like that grim aspect though. Life can be like that, it's a nice counter to Marvel's bubblegum take. Winter Soldier aside.

 

[Destro]

Probably because that's what happened to some New Yorkers during 9/11. A lot of them were told to stay in the buildings and to not evacuate. I think a lot of people stayed in the World Trade centers at first.

There is this vibe throughout BvS that is just so gruesome and sick. You have this almost satanic Lex Luthor doing weird sacrificial stuff in a pool with a naked man where he's cutting himself and making this abomination baby. He rants and raves like an evil little ******* about devil's and gods. You have two clinically depressed superheroes who keep having morose visions of death and futures where they're both ****ed and have lost everything. You have all this 9/11 imagery. Senate hearings that result in all the people dying in an explosion caused by a manipulated cripple that also lost his wife and kids. I got some seriously disturbing, evil vibes from it. How sick was it that Luthor intended to have his men burn Ma Kent alive like a witch? Luthor is a freak and you instantly get these morose feelings when he's in the Krtptonian ship, like he's into witch craft or something. That "communion" deleted scene is disturbing. Then man, those damn Polaroids where it looks like they beat and ***** Ma Kent, it's just messed up.

I mean, I'm not a big fan of the quippy, humorous, cotton candy tone of the Marvel movies, but there are some serious bad vibes running throughout these DC movies. It goes back to Nolan's TDKR where we had terrorist suicide bombers that wanted to destroy an innocent city (of mostly orphans) just because they themselves were twisted with a crazy ideology. Then that morphed into Man of Steel where we have Pa Kent suggesting that maybe the best thing to do is not help or save people and commits suicide just so his son isn't accidentally exposed. Zod and his Kryptonian soldiers were ruthless and we get that great Superman imagery of Kal-El falling into a pool of dead people's skulls as Zod probes his mind. Did I mention those terraforming devices lifting up metropolis citizens and smashing them into the ground repeatedly!

I don't think these movies should be "fun" or light, but it's hard not to have these cynical feelings when presented with disturbing imagery and ideas that we see almost every day in the news. Can you imagine if the Reeve Superman movies or Star Wars was a product of their times with that pessimistic attitude from a post-Vietnam world? They would have sucked and there would have been zero escapism.

But it's real, gritty and DARK! Not like that sugary sweet and childish Marvel trash!!

 

[GasparZizou]

The film fails to make that clear. Batman just kills people like they're roaches...and not once does the film make a big deal of it, especially if Batman has spent 20 years without killing, and now all of sudden he kills. Well, they should make his first kill meaningful, just like Rorschach first kill in Watchmen...that was clear, that was him crossing the line and having some kind of effect of the character, something this film didn't even care about if this was indeed a tired Batman who feels like crossing that line.

Really? It's perfectly clear to me.

What makes you think his first kill happens in this movie?

Because we know how Kryptonite works? This film did not invent the concept of Kryptonite.

Not here you don't, and this film didn't invent it but introduced it in THIS universe, just because you know the concept doesn't mean it's gonna work the same as it does in the comics, as it clearly doesn't.

How does he know a stick is going to work? Or gas fr that matter? The film shows how Kryptonite immediately destroys the cells. A large bullet will penetrate Sups skin faster and with more force than Batman can ever generate with his arms by stabbing him.

Again, bullets would work...especially at close range, just like the regular bullets filled with Kryptonite worked...he never lost them and they always hit the target. If anything, a bullet is a more logical weapon to use against Superman, because Superman is used to getting shot and not dogging bullets, because he's so confident that he can get shot, but since he doesn't know about Kryptonite, it will be a total surprise.

Because he stole Lex research? He knows what happens when you put a kryptonite blade in close proximity?

It's not the amount of force you need to put behind it, that's not how kryptonite works, otherwise regular bullets would work too, it's the fact that we see kryptonite NOT act instantly, which makes me think bullets wont work.

The weapons filled with kryptonite would most certainly NOT do anything to Supes by themselves, they only served to release the gas near him.

No no no, there is still risk of losing the bullets via bad aiming and that the bullets MADE of kryptonite would not work, since it's crystal clear kryptonite is not easy to fin, why risk the only resource you have to do some damage? If you think about it, making kryptonite bullets in this uncertainty is just a stupid idea.