Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice (March 24th, 2016)

[ZombieRepublican]

No one seems to care that Batman kills that much. That's a huge part of his character. It doesn't make sense. Of he does now then why doesn't he carry guns. Why is Joker still alive. How can he judge supermans morality.

It's just a terrible choice, especially considering it wasn't even addressed

 

[Khev]

The spear was silly.

Disney made you swallow a bug didn't they crows? Why'd you go down to them? WHY'D YOU DO IT?? WHY!??

 

[ZaCHw117]

Who the heck connects a movie to that boring Excalibur movie.

And Arthur didn't float around like Jesus with visions of his holy ghost father.

Ok fine, the Excalibur connections are indeed cool.

it is a boring movie, but hey when it's actually featured in the film it's worth looking into.

Good catch, but prepared to be hit over the head by Zach with this.

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I loved the opening sequence, but if you replaced the Wayne murders, with Joker killing Robin in the same style, Batman showing up too late... I think that would have been a better opening to set up the emotional status of batman and give the audience a better understanding that he's an older, more brutal batman thats more pissed off now then he's ever been.

 

[batfan08]

No one seems to care that Batman kills that much. That's a huge part of his character. It doesn't make sense. Of he does now then why doesn't he carry guns. Why is Joker still alive. How can he judge supermans morality.

It's just a terrible choice, especially considering it wasn't even addressed

It's not, though. Batman's killed before, and he's doing it now. Snyder addressed that it's not so much that he goes out of his way to kill them, but, rather, he just doesn't care as much if they die. Like the cars blowing up, for instance. Even if he was going out of his way to murder every thug he encountered, I don't really care. I still love Keaton's Batman and that dude was burning people alive and blowing them up.

 

[spindrift]

I thought he used the sink since he ruined the plating in his fists when he punched Superman in the face who was visibly regaining his strength.

I agree he just grabed something to smash down on supes...

 

[Khev]

Hey Keaton was a wanton murderer and the law didn't care. Hell he even casually drove through the one-block set--I mean town at night without any harrassment from the cops.

 

[spindrift]

For some reason I couldn't remember the name of that Russian merc, had to look it up...
KGBeast? Seriously??? What a waste of a character... Here's hope he survived the blast.





Everything Batman related in this film was great and made perfect sense.
*tick-tock tick-tock tick-tock*
Damn, forgot about the final battle stupidity again. Man...

I believe his named was "Riddick":- weird name really

 

[crows]

I don't even think the problem was that he killed but it felt like he killed people he didn't have to kill. Or he goes out of his way to kill.

I think the problem people had mostly is that he didn't kill because he had to or even needed to, but because it felt like that was his only way of dealing with the bad guys.
Like he didn't even try to not kill them

 

[DiFabio]

Hey Keaton was a wanton murderer and the law didn't care. Hell he even casually drove through the one-block set--I mean town at night without any harrassment from the cops.

I'll be honest here, I miss older movies like the Reeve and Keaton ones where all this wasn't such a big deal. It was just fantasy, good guys against bad guys. This whole modern, post 9/11 world where these superheroes have to be accountable for trying to do good is getting old. It's so grey and cynical. Even Civil War is dabbling in this with the whole "muh New York", "muh Washington D.C.", and "muh Sokvia" crap with Cap taking on the blame like Superman and Iron Man taking the role of Batman. I don't want to go to theaters and see art imitate the atrocities of life, I want to see the ideologies of the characters in an exciting way. Not everything has to be an allegory for terrorism. I'm all for depth, but this current trend which I think stems from the Dark Knight seems so superficial. All superheroes in general are kind of illogical when you apply them to the real world . . . SO DON'T!

Imagine if this came out today,




The entire sequel would be about the ethics of collateral damage or some bull **** instead of this whacky fairy tale about animal people.

 

[crows]

I'll be honest here, I miss older movies like the Reeve and Keaton ones where all this wasn't such a big deal. It was just fantasy, good guys against bad guys. This whole modern, post 9/11 world where these superheroes have to be accountable for trying to do good is getting old. It's so grey and cynical. Even Civil War is dabbling in this with the whole "muh New York", "muh Washington D.C.", and "muh Sokvia" crap with Cap taking on the blame like Superman and Iron Man taking the role of Batman. I don't want to go to theaters and see art imitate the atrocities of life, I want to see the ideologies of the characters in an exciting way. Not everything has to be an allegory for terrorism. I'm all for depth, but this current trend which I think stems from the Dark Knight seems so superficial. All superheroes in general are kind of illogical when you apply them to the real world . . . SO DON'T!

Imagine if this came out today,




The entire sequel would be about the ethics of collateral damage or some bull **** instead of this whacky fairy tale about animal people.

I guess that's just inevitable now. I don't think that can change

 

[Khev]

I'll be honest here, I miss older movies like the Reeve and Keaton ones where all this wasn't such a big deal. It was just fantasy, good guys against bad guys.

It still is to me.

 

[jye4ever]

I don't think it's possible for DiFabio to never bring his A game.

He's probably drunk at a bar posting **** like that!

 

[Destro]

Imagine if this came out today,




The entire sequel would be about the ethics of collateral damage or some bull **** instead of this whacky fairy tale about animal people.

Lol, this was an 80's cartoon come to life. That brick wall being cut at precise angles by machine gun fire was priceless!

 

[Destro]

It still is to me.

When the good guys are bad guys, that sucks.

 

[Khev]

When the good guys are bad guys, that sucks.

If you hate stories that feature good guys killing bad guys there's always old episodes of He-Man and GI Joe you could watch. The bad guys usually get their comeuppance via a well placed muddle puddle in those. Otherwise maybe sports movies or romantic comedies might be more your thing, people rarely get killed in those.

 

[jye4ever]

Lol, this was an 80's cartoon come to life. That brick wall being cut at precise angles by machine gun fire was priceless!

Yup,

Those bullets were laser guided ion cutters that could triangulate precision fusion cuts into concrete and steel.

 

[Destro]

If you hate stories that feature good guys killing bad guys there's always old episodes of He-Man and GI Joe you could watch. The bad guys usually get their comeuppance via a well placed muddle puddle in those. Otherwise maybe sports movies or romantic comedies might be more your thing, people rarely get killed in those.

This is a great example of the condescending ******** attitude that permeates some of the sanctimonious proponents of every facet comcerning this movie.

 

[DiFabio]

It still is to me.

What did you think when Bruce Wayne saves that little girl in all that wreckage and he's like, "where's your mom" and she points up and says "there", and he looks back and sees this smoldering, destroyed, building as he clutches this sobbing kid in his arms?

 

[GasparZizou]

The fact that Batman is killing shouldn't be trivialized, this isn't Batman killing in his first night out, this is Batman killing after probably 20 years of not killing, 20 years of him seeing and living **** that even got HIM to break and not give a **** about criminals anymore. It's not him just not trying, it's him after 20 years of trying going to **** because of the stuff he's been through, comics have always flirted with crossing that hypothetical line, well, this is showing us what that looks like.

I like regular Batman as much as anyone, but I often wonder, does scary Batman even work if he doesn't kill? No it doesn't. Criminals develop this mentality of "I know you're gonna send me to jail, lets get it over with, what are you gonna do? I'm more scared of my boss than I am of you", hell, Batman's says "I am vengeance", it's interesting Batman has now blurred the lines between justice and vengeance FOR REAL, because otherwise there's no real dissonance, between Supes and Bats.

And about Batman being a dudebro no, just no. Plus there's nothing wrong with Luthor manipulating Batman, Luthor is MUCH smarter than Batman.

About the spear, why do people assume to know more about the topic than Batman who's been working on the kryptonite weapons himself? How do you even know kryptonite bullets would even work on Supes here? What if they're too fast to even manage to weaken Supes fast enough to pierce his skin and they just bounce off him like regular bullets? Even with Kryptonite gas Supes was still able to tank all sorts of blows and going through buildings and stuff... Now a spear, you wave it on front of him a little, make him weak, and then you kill him, why risk wasting kryptonite on bullets that may get lost and may not work? They made clear in this universe that Kryptonite is not easy to come by, unlike the comics where everyone has their own supply of kryptonite to use whenever they need to even things out.

Plus, a spear is ****ing cooler.

That's my 2 cents.

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

What did you think when Bruce Wayne saves that little girl in all that wreckage and he's like, "where's your mom" and she points up and says "there", and he looks back and sees this smoldering, destroyed, building as he clutches this sobbing kid in his arms?

Why were those people waiting for Bruce to give the ok the leave the building?