Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice (March 24th, 2016)

[jye4ever]

Yeah your cancer is left to interpret, but you're dying in 3 months.

 

[IrishJedi]

Yeah your cancer is left to interpret, but you're dying in 3 months.

Well, it's nice to at least think you have options.

 

[EndoSickness]

KINGDOM COME is beautiful, huge Alex Ross fan. I would leave it until after those 3 mentioned already though. everytime I look at Ross' work, I wish someone would make a movie in that style, with coloured Lycra and crazy suits. It's the perfect interpretation IMO.

In my book (it´s not a big one, but nevertheless ) Kingdom Come is the best graphic novel ever written.
I think my Top 3 is:

Kingdom Come (Still need to get 'Absolute' somehow)
Justice
Death & Return Of Superman

Lookwise my fav 'hero' is Spawn, but storywise he doesn´t even REMOTELY come close to those 3.

Gonna see this this saturday, very stoked.

 

[batfan08]

On a somewhat related note are there any "classic" WW trades? I literally have no knowledge of her save Lynda Carter, Super Friends, and now BvS.

George Perez had a pretty legendary run on the character, and you can find his entire run in an omnibus. It's like a $75 book, but, if you shop around, you can probably find it anywhere from 45-50% off. I've also heard great things about Greg Rucka's run on the character.

 

[batfan08]

In my book (it´s not a big one, but nevertheless ) Kingdom Come is the best graphic novel ever written.
I think my Top 3 is:

Kingdom Come (Still need to get 'Absolute' somehow)
Justice
Death & Return Of Superman

Lookwise my fav 'hero' is Spawn, but storywise he doesn´t even REMOTELY come close to those 3.

Gonna see this this saturday, very stoked.

I love Kingdom Come. I really do, but I'm such a sucker for the classic League. Seeing Ross tackle pretty much every single major hero and villain in classic DC continuity with Justice was a breathtaking experience.

 

[Ropen]

So, I'm confused. Was that the actual Man-Bat, like Kirk Langstrom Man-Bat, in Bruce's nightmare? I interpreted it, as just like the monster that was inside of him, almost.

I missed that too, I thought it was just a monster, that's clever!!!

I love the soundtrack! It's amazing, Must there be a Superman is the name of the soundtrack that plays during the Knightmare sequence... I just love it. Hans Zimmer is a genius...

 

[Platty]

Thanks for posting pictures of the art book Libby dawg...can't believe superman having a little nap

 

[Khev]

I was going to feign ignorance and ask you, "who the hell is Captain Man", but then I realized its just an attempt to look cool.

The sad fact that is I am not only familiar with Henry Danger, but I'm familiar with Little Ponies, Pet Shop Pets and all manner of Disney Channel programming. The burden of Fatherhood, I think I deserve a medal, or at least a day off.

Yep that was just a "dad test" to see who else knew who the hell I was talking about. It's my daughter's favorite show (which in my mind is kind of cool that of all the kid shows out there she picked a live-action superhero one.) Actually both kids really like The Amazing World of Gumball and Teen Titans Go as well. But I hadn't even heard of Henry Danger until a couple months ago and now we have over 40 of them stored in our DVR.

 

[Khev]

TFA theatrical trailers never showed us who was flying the Falcon on Jakku, never showed us a single moment inside Han's Freighter, never showed us any interior scenes in Starkiller Base. It didn't even reveal that Rey was going to be involved in the Finn/Kylo duel.

TDK never showed us one moment with regard to the ferries or any of the battle in the incomplete skyscraper (other than "Here..we..go..") nor did it show anything of the final showdown with Dent.

BvS should have been all about the supposed battle with Batman and Superman and nothing else. Shouldn't have shown the warehouse fight, WW in costume, Doomsday. They don't even have the excuse of "but they were building an entire universe off of this film so they had to show their hand to ensure people came" because Disney was banking their entire $4 *BILLION* investment on TFA doing well and *they* didn't reveal everything.

I'm so excited for Suicide Squad that I'm tempted to ignore all future trailers and TV spots from here on out. It's the only way to be sure.

 

[I Am Toys]

Excellent read!
This is exactly what I was debating with a friend of mine about the movie.
The movie has a much more deeper theme than a typical superhero movie, and that if you dont get it, then it falls flat to someone else's perspective.

I've seen many people say that Cavill's was wooden and appeared mopy.
That is a shortsighted way of looking at things.
Much like what MOS emphasized, Superman is a symbol of Hope.
But in a world that is dreary, He himself is struggling, and is wondering that what his good father tried to instill in him is just a myth.

One of the things I was surprised about this movie is Lois' role. I was assuming that her role wouldnt be big in this movie and she's just a filler to
inject in Superman's world, like having Alfred in Batman's.
But she actually turned out to be one of the main characters in the movie, and when Superman was losing hope...he found it in Lois.

I've seen some people post that they dont like the movie, cause they like Batman but when the two were about to fight, they didnt root for Batman.
That is actually a good proof that Snyder didnt hate Superman, and that when two are now starting their epic fight, you start to see that Batman is actually the villain here.
When Snyder and crew were brainstorming for the MOS sequel, someone brought up...why dont we have Batman as the villain?
Now, if this movie would have been shallow, it would have made Batman just straight up, as a Villain, that he's now literally...a bad guy and its now Batman v Superman...good guy vs bad guy.
Snyder didnt do that, what he made batman instead is a fallen hero. And his final transition, his fall from grace is when he finally Kills Superman...but when that time came, He eventually redeemed himself, found hope in the man who symbolizes that.

There was soo much more to this movie than a typical beat em up movie, superhero movie.
And even when the two were about to fight...something I was looking forward to and was expecting something like Thor and Hulk Fighting, but on a more grander scale, Snyder was actually able instill an unnerving feeling of seeing two heroes fight.
It was like seeing my parents fight. Instead of enjoying the fight...now I found myself saying...goddamit...Stop!!!

I can see why some people may not like the movie. Snyder's film isnt for everyone.
But I just think that some of the things that people are complaining, are just a shortsightedness way of looking at the big picture.

A lot of what Superman is dealing with in this movie reminds me of what Brando (Jor-El) told Kal in the first Reeve Superman.

"You will give the people of Earth an ideal to strive towards. They will race behind you, they will stumble, they will fall. But in time, they will join you in the sun, Kal. In time, you will help them accomplish wonders." - Jor-El.

I too really enjoyed a lot the internal torment and struggle. One of the best lines by Wayne is with Alfred, when he says "20 years in Gotham, how many good guys are left? How many stayed that way?". He's talking about himself and doesn't even know it yet. He's been batman for years at this point. There was a lot of deep &$@$ going on in this movie however I think a lot of people missed it. Even Alfred later states that rage is what turns good men cruel. They conveyed his inability to detach himself from the helpless feeling he's always had since his family's death to also the fact that he feels as if he really had no impact in Gotham because bad guys just tried harder. And then you throw Superman into that mix, which only potentiated his feelings of distrust and inadequacy. And don't even get me started on the deep-rooted psychological stuff going on with Lex Luther and what he says about his father. That pretty much shapes his entire character and psyche for the entire movie, and what motivates his hatred for God and "gods". And then the painting being turned upside down where the demons are now coming from above instead of below, basically representing the foretelling Darkseid's parademons coming to earth was ingenious. In will agree his whining at the end was over the top, however what he said in the jail cell was key to the story.

I never thought I would see a return to the old Bill Finger style Batman, let alone a Miller/Azzarello inspired Bats on screen! A batman who tortures, will kill if he has to, and who has also become tormented because he's been Batman so damn long that he's become disillusioned with the whole thing to the point where he almost becomes the villain. Such a good movie.

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

I'm tempted to ignore all future trailers and TV spots from here on out. It's the only way to be sure.

 

[Khev]

Is that an early reveal of Domino from Deadpool 2?

 

[jye4ever]

TFA theatrical trailers never showed us who was flying the Falcon on Jakku, never showed us a single moment inside Han's Freighter, never showed us any interior scenes in Starkiller Base. It didn't even reveal that Rey was going to be involved in the Finn/Kylo duel.

TDK never showed us one moment with regard to the ferries or any of the battle in the incomplete skyscraper (other than "Here..we..go..") nor did it show anything of the final showdown with Dent.

BvS should have been all about the supposed battle with Batman and Superman and nothing else. Shouldn't have shown the warehouse fight, WW in costume, Doomsday. They don't even have the excuse of "but they were building an entire universe off of this film so they had to show their hand to ensure people came" because Disney was banking their entire $4 *BILLION* investment on TFA doing well and *they* didn't reveal everything.

I'm so excited for Suicide Squad that I'm tempted to ignore all future trailers and TV spots from here on out. It's the only way to be sure.

Yup,

This was ASM2 level of marketing stupidity on the part of WB and the reveals actually mattered in this one!

YET, the movie still found a way to deliver the goods!

But can you imagine how even better the reveals would've been had we not watched those trailers!

 

[Khev]

Yup,

This was ASM2 level of marketing stupidity on the part of WB and the reveals actually mattered in this one!

YET, the movie still found a way to deliver the goods!

But can you imagine how even better the reveals would've been had we not watched those trailers!

Yep, still a great cbm but I honestly think they would have made even more money if they'd hidden some of those reveals. After TFA I was literally calling and emailing friends and family saying "Go see it before it's spoiled!!! Go, go, go!" and I would have been doing the same for BvS. No need now because people already think they've seen how it plays out (and they're basically right) so all that's left is to go and see how *well* it all plays out. Unfortunately the scathing reviews are telling everyone that it is NOT told well and that's no doubt keeping people away. Too bad.

 

[karamazov80]

I would argue the opposite, that the terrible reviews should be keeping people away, for good reason, but obviously aren't

 

[Khev]

Why I oughta....

 

[jye4ever]

 

[Khev]

Obviously Marvel is doing a straight up adaptation of The Infinity Gauntlet. Is there a definitve Darkseid story that everyone is assuming JL1 and 2 will follow? Something where he swarms the earth with those "parademon" things obviously? Oh and if there is a classic Darkseid invasion story please don't spoil how it gets resolved.

 

[Sweet Rabbit]

Obviously Marvel is doing a straight up adaptation of The Infinity Gauntlet. Is there a definitve Darkseid story that everyone is assuming JL1 and 2 will follow? Something where he swarms the earth with those "parademon" things obviously? Oh and if there is a classic Darkseid invasion story please don't spoil how it gets resolved.

I'm sure DC has something cobbled together

 

[Khev]

WW was so badass you have to wonder (no pun intended) if she could have defeated DD by herself. If she has a magic blade that can cut through Kryptonian flesh and bone then it's conceivable that she could have decapitated him.