Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice (March 24th, 2016)

[Khev]

And Supes didn't "help to destroy half of Metropolis". He saved Metropolis from Zod who would have destroyed ALL of it had Supes not snapped his neck.

"Do you realize you just destroyed half of ****ing Metropolis?!??"

"Well we like to think of it as half...not destroyed."

 

[Rorywan]

No worries. Like I said, most of the family is from and still in Donegal. One great uncle moved to Kildare and set up a Bar/Pub there that still exists. So I guess that is okay.

Yes, very excited that they're filming some of the Original Jedi Temple scenes for EPISODE VIII in my ancestral home. That is pretty awesome, actually.

Back on topic to the DCCU... Locations in Ireland have actually been scouted, but I'm not sure if it's for JUSTICE LEAGUE or one of the solo films. Could be any really, since the base of all of the productions has moved to the UK.

Regarding DDCU, doesn't surprise me about Irish scouting. Zach is very close with Luke Thornton (They run Believe Media) and Luke is enamoured with all things Shamrock coming from Irish heritage too. So I'm sure it's rubbed off over the years they have worked together.

Bring it on, it's great for the country and very exciting to be such a hub of SW at the moment.

 

[karamazov80]

Why? I don't think anyone has claimed that the movie was perfect. Just that the good far outweighs the bad.

It's as perfect as. . .Mr. Perfect.

 

[Rorywan]

It's as perfect as. . .Mr. Perfect.

 

[LOTRfan85]

BvS is based, in general, on comic book stories using the two most recognizable comic characters in history. Aside from that, the narrative is a mashup of two of the most popular stories in comic book history. I don't know if it's a victim of anything but it's definitely not suffering for it's originality.

BVS reminded me of the storytelling in Amazing spiderman 2 where its all disjointed where nothing really connects, then if they used the terrible night battle in godzilla where you cannot see anything, and then if they used the ending to star trek into darkness in what happened to kirk, and then Snyder trying to do Nolan Dialogue, that is this film. Its like Snyder almost tried using loads of bad elements from other films and put them together in this film

Snyder I don't think learnt anything from MOS, and the problems that were in MOS were even bigger in BVS. It does boggle the mind how he can complain star wars blew up planets has a defense of his movie

 

[Khev]

The only thing that really bugged me on my second viewing was Supes shiny suit.
It was like he was wearing bondage vinyl in some scenes.

I'm with you there. His suit material looked awesome in MOS but it was at times just flat out goofy looking in BvS. Particularly when he walks up to the podium at the Senate hearing. I can totally see someone adding those "eee, eee, eee" squeaky noises like they did for the "Oops I did it again" Britney Spears video.

If the ideological differences aren't the catalyst of the fight.

You really are confused about the Batman/Superman brawl aren't you?

Let me break it down for you:

1. Batman hates Superman, wants him dead.
2. Superman doesn't like Batman's methods so he tells him to stop and to ignore the batsignal.
3. Bruce says, "aha, batsignal, that's our battleground, I'll go set a bunch of traps around it and turn it on so he comes to scold me again. When he does I'll kill him."
4. Lex tells Clark his mom will die if he doesn't fight and kill Batman.
5. Clark says that sucks, what a dilemma, let me go tell Bruce about it and see if he'll join me. It's not like he can hurt me or anything.
6. Supes sees the batsignal and goes to talk to Bruce.
7. Batman says, "ha ha, sucker, you fell for my trap, try and arrest me *****."
8. Superman isn't there to arrest him at all, wants to talk, but doesn't really have a lot of time to **** around. "Look if I was here for a fight, you'd be dead, can we talk?"
9. Boom, Bruce hits him with kryptonite, Supes says "WTF???" and literally is forced to fight for his life.

Did you really, REALLY not understand how that all evolved? Because it was definitely one of the aspects of the film that was *not* vague.

 

[LOTRfan85]

I'm with you there. His suit material looked awesome in MOS but it was at times just flat out goofy looking in BvS. Particularly when he walks up to the podium at the Senate hearing. I can totally see someone adding those "eee, eee, eee" squeaky noises like they did for the "Oops I did it again" Britney Spears video.



You really are confused about the Batman/Superman brawl aren't you?

Let me break it down for you:

1. Batman hates Superman, wants him dead.
2. Superman doesn't like Batman's methods so he tells him to stop and to ignore the batsignal.
3. Bruce says, "aha, batsignal, that's our battleground, I'll go set a bunch of traps around it and turn it on so he comes to scold me again. When he does I'll kill him."
4. Lex tells Clark his mom will die if he doesn't fight and kill Batman.
5. Clark says that sucks, what a dilemma, let me go tell Bruce about it and see if he'll join me. It's not like he can hurt me or anything.
6. Supes sees the batsignal and goes to talk to Bruce.
7. Batman says, "ha ha, sucker, you fell for my trap, try and arrest me *****."
8. Superman isn't there to arrest him at all, wants to talk, but doesn't really have a lot of time to **** around. "Look if I was here for a fight, you'd be dead, can we talk?"
9. Boom, Bruce hits him with kryptonite, Supes says "WTF???" and literally is forced to fight for his life.

Did you really, REALLY not understand how that all evolved? Because it was definitely one of the aspects of the film that was *not* vague.

Clark really must work on his senses beyond Lois lol

 

[karamazov80]

One thing that stuck out to me was, Superman seemed to have no intention of actually going to fight Batman once the signal went up. He was forced to by Lex, but his attitude seemed to be, "nah, I'm over that." He just looked resigned to the fact that he had to actually fly over there to do that. I thought that was weird, because Batman obviously assumed he would actually do it.

And another weird thing about Batman is that, his fear of Superman's power led him to attempt to kill the guy. But if Superman was really the vicious ******* that Bruce thought he could be (which he appeared to be in the, "The bat is dead. Bury it. Consider this mercy." scene), Superman could have shot Bats with his laser eyes, or toppled the building around him, or threw cars at him until Batman was dead.

*Dark Knight Returns spoilers below, as I know Khev was reading it*

In Dark Knight Returns, the fight works because Superman seems to be holding back from the onset. These guys know each other, and Bruce knows Superman doesn't want to kill him. Plus, Bruce actually wants to lose! But in this movie, Bruce presumably doesn't make that assumption, and wants to win. So why doesn't he try to attack Superman in a stealthier way, when he least expects it, bombarding him with kryptonite gas and then stabbing him with the spear? Presumably the world's greatest detective could figure out Supes's patterns, and probably his secret identity, just as easily as freakin' Lex Luthor does.

On a related note, how did they explain how Lex finds out who Superman is? I can't remember.

 

[jye4ever]

I'm with you there. His suit material looked awesome in MOS but it was at times just flat out goofy looking in BvS. Particularly when he walks up to the podium at the Senate hearing. I can totally see someone adding those "eee, eee, eee" squeaky noises like they did for the "Oops I did it again" Britney Spears video.



You really are confused about the Batman/Superman brawl aren't you?

Let me break it down for you:

1. Batman hates Superman, wants him dead.
2. Superman doesn't like Batman's methods so he tells him to stop and to ignore the batsignal.
3. Bruce says, "aha, batsignal, that's our battleground, I'll go set a bunch of traps around it and turn it on so he comes to scold me again. When he does I'll kill him."
4. Lex tells Clark his mom will die if he doesn't fight and kill Batman.
5. Clark says that sucks, what a dilemma, let me go tell Bruce about it and see if he'll join me. It's not like he can hurt me or anything.
6. Supes sees the batsignal and goes to talk to Bruce.
7. Batman says, "ha ha, sucker, you fell for my trap, try and arrest me *****."
8. Superman isn't there to arrest him at all, wants to talk, but doesn't really have a lot of time to **** around. "Look if I was here for a fight, you'd be dead, can we talk?"
9. Boom, Bruce hits him with kryptonite, Supes says "WTF???" and literally is forced to fight for his life.

Did you really, REALLY not understand how that all evolved? Because it was definitely one of the aspects of the film that was *not* vague.

I do believe that Superman finally lost it with Batman and was about to cross the line himself and kill him on that last jump attack of his which was when Batman gained the upper hand.

Although I think Superman had already crossed that line on that African dude holding Lois hostage, he even smiled while doing it!

Not even Batman smiles when killing.

 

[Ropen]

And i'm the sucker who buys concessions.

So do I, especially at the drafthouse, I'll be buying beer and shakes and burgers left and right

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

You really are confused about the Batman/Superman brawl aren't you?

Let me break it down for you:

1. Batman hates Superman, wants him dead.
2. Superman doesn't like Batman's methods so he tells him to stop and to ignore the batsignal.
3. Bruce says, "aha, batsignal, that's our battleground, I'll go set a bunch of traps around it and turn it on so he comes to scold me again. When he does I'll kill him."
4. Lex tells Clark his mom will die if he doesn't fight and kill Batman.
5. Clark says that sucks, what a dilemma, let me go tell Bruce about it and see if he'll join me. It's not like he can hurt me or anything.
6. Supes sees the batsignal and goes to talk to Bruce.
7. Batman says, "ha ha, sucker, you fell for my trap, try and arrest me *****."
8. Superman isn't there to arrest him at all, wants to talk, but doesn't really have a lot of time to **** around. "Look if I was here for a fight, you'd be dead, can we talk?"
9. Boom, Bruce hits him with kryptonite, Supes says "WTF???" and literally is forced to fight for his life.

Did you really, REALLY not understand how that all evolved? Because it was definitely one of the aspects of the film that was *not* vague.

I get all that, that's exactly what happens, but it still pointless to introduce the idea that Clark has problem with Batman methods and having Lex sending Clark photos of Batman's victims to get him to dislike Batman, because it ends in nothing, because in the end, the fight has nothing to do with any that, from Superman's point of view. They literally could have skipped anything that has to do with Clark having some kind of problem with Batman, and the outcome would still be exactly the same, Superman goes to "fight"/talk to Batman because Lex decided to kidnap his mother. Batman's motivation to fight Sups never changes and it's established from the very beginning. You are basically saying that they created a subplot involving Superman just to give Batman a reason to use a batsignal, which is not why you create a subplot telling us that Sups has some issues with Batman, and then end that with a simple warning that has no payoff from Superman's point of view, instead of developing that further and using it as a reason for a fight.

My point is, the BVS fight was a one sided event, meaning Batman hates Sups. They could have skipped all the "Sups/clark has a problem with Batman" and you can still have Superman intervene when Batman was trying to get the Kryptonite. Sups already knows who Batman is and that he's trying to get something from Lex, which is something Clark could have been after instead. No need to waste time with scenes of Clark arguing with Perry white about Batman's methods and getting the audience into a subplot that goes nowhere, as Perry White said, "No one cares about Clark Kent avs the Batman" and apparently, Clark didn't care that much either, because that becomes a nonissue eventually

 

[Victοr]

[...] But in this movie, Bruce presumably doesn't make that assumption, and wants to win. So why doesn't he try to attack Superman in a stealthier way, when he least expects it, bombarding him with kryptonite gas and then stabbing him with the spear? Presumably the world's greatest detective could figure out Supes's patterns, and probably his secret identity, just as easily as freakin' Lex Luthor does.

Pride, mostly. After years of planning he's formulated the "perfect" plan and doesn't have any doubts. He wants this to be a show, not stealth-kill. He wants to humiliate Superman, who dared play god in his turf. So, yeah, I'm going with vanity and the lust for revenge. He wants to slay the beast, not simply kill it... That, or they just wanted a fight scene in the movie...

On a related note, how did they explain how Lex finds out who Superman is? I can't remember.

Cause he's smart yo! They never explain it, but eh, the explaination is probably "he's a genius", which I don't have a problem with.

What bothered me is how Superman also suddenly knew Batman's identity, and Bats didn't even flinch there. I mean, this guy you wanted to kill knows your secret and you didn't even acknowledge it? I get that they had "bigger" problems, but it seemed weird to me how little Batman cared that this invulnarable "murderer" knew his secret, and possibly for a while now.

Which wasn't explained either, how Supes guys from not knowing who Bruce Wayne is, to uncovering his alias. Eh, I guess when the mask was half-broken he recognized him, it's not too far fetched.

 

[Khev]

I do believe that Superman finally lost it with Batman and was about to cross the line himself and kill him on that last jump attack of his which was when Batman gained the upper hand.

Although I think Superman had already crossed that line on that African dude holding Lois hostage, he even smiled while doing it!

Not even Batman smiles when killing.

And I found it interesting that as aggressive as Bruce was it was always *Supes* that made first physical contact. He wrecked Bruce's car without provocation and he was the first to lay a hand on his opponent on the rooftop. Knocked him across the entire damn building too!

 

[RIDDICK]

BVS reminded me of the storytelling in Amazing spiderman 2

Nope, not even close to that cinematic trashcan of a film.

 

[a-dev]

I get all that, that's exactly what happens, but it still pointless to introduce the idea that Clark has problem with Batman methods and having Lex sending Clark photos of Batman's victims to get him to dislike Batman, because it ends in nothing, because in the end, the fight has nothing to do with any that, from Superman's point of view. They literally could have skipped anything that has to do with Clark having some kind of problem with Batman, and the outcome would still be exactly the same, Superman goes to "fight"/talk to Batman because Lex decided to kidnap his mother. Batman's motivation to fight Sups never changes and it's established from the very beginning. You are basically saying that they created a subplot involving Superman just to give Batman a reason to use a batsignal, which is not why you create a subplot telling us that Sups has some issues with Batman, and then end that with a simple warning that has no payoff from Superman's point of view, instead of developing that further and using it as a reason for a fight.

Hmmm. Back in your court Khev!

Nope, not even close to that cinematic trashcan of a film.

Usually I rewatch any given Superhero film even if I didn't like it the first time. But I still haven't gone back to ASM2.

 

[RIDDICK]

Usually I rewatch any given Superhero film even if I didn't like it the first time. But I still haven't gone back to ASM2.

I've seen it three times (for free, of course), just to appreciate how bad it is.

 

[Khev]

I get all that, that's exactly what happens, but it still pointless to introduce the idea that Clark has problem with Batman methods and having Lex sending Clark photos of Batman's victims to get him to dislike Batman, because it ends in nothing, because in the end, the fight has nothing to do with any that, from Superman's point of view. They literally could have skipped anything that has to do with Clark having some kind of problem with Batman, and the outcome would still be exactly the same, Superman goes to "fight"/talk to Batman because Lex decided to kidnap his mother. Batman's motivation to fight Sups never changes and it's established from the very beginning. You are basically saying that they created a subplot involving Superman just to give Batman a reason to use a batsignal, which is not why you create a subplot telling us that Sups has some issues with Batman, and then end that with a simple warning that has no payoff from Superman's point of view, instead of developing that further and using it as a reason for a fight.

My point is, the BVS fight was a one sided event, meaning Batman hates Sups. They could have skipped all the "Sups/clark has a problem with Batman" and you can still have Superman intervene when Batman was trying to get the Kryptonite.

*sigh*

Batman would never have been loaded up with his special armor, kryptonite spear, traps, etc., just *waiting* for Superman if they didn't establish that Bruce had some way to bait him. If Bruce was just chilling in his recliner at home and Lex told Supes "bring me the head of the Bat" well then Lex' plan of Batman actually killing Superman wouldn't have had the slightest chance of playing out. In order for it to work Batman had to be the one ready and waiting. In order for him to be ready and waiting he had to have some indication that Supes would come for him. Enter the "I don't like your methods, bat is dead, don't respond to the signal" subplot which *did* have a payoff because it's what prompted Bruce to set up his cool Batsignal battleground.

I don't really know how else to explain it you, I suppose if you still think it's "pointless" well then that's what it is to you. It obviously made perfect sense to others and had a pretty organic evolution and a satisfying payoff.

 

[Ropen]

Hmmm. Back in your court Khev!



Usually I rewatch any given Superhero film even if I didn't like it the first time. But I still haven't gone back to ASM2.

Thinking about this, I'm the same way, I must have bought this movie in 3D and digital and still haven't seen it again.

 

[spindrift]

Closing in on $700 million worldwide after only 10 days....I think it'll make $1 billion and Snyder dissers can go home and start sharpening their Ayer knives for SS...

 

[jye4ever]

Nope, not even close to that cinematic trashcan of a film.

But man did Spidey look great swinging and free falling in that glorious 3D!