Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice (March 24th, 2016)

[spindrift]

*sigh*

Batman would never have been loaded up with his special armor, kryptonite spear, traps, etc., just *waiting* for Superman if they didn't establish that Bruce had some way to bait him. If Bruce was just chilling in his recliner at home and Lex told Supes "bring me the head of the Bat" well then Lex' plan of Batman actually killing Superman wouldn't have had the slightest chance of playing out. In order for it to work Batman had to be the one ready and waiting. In order for him to be ready and waiting he had to have some indication that Supes would come for him. Enter the "I don't like your methods, bat is dead, don't respond to the signal" subplot which *did* have a payoff because it's what prompted Bruce to set up his cool Batsignal battleground.

I don't really know how else to explain it you, I suppose if you still think it's "pointless" well then that's what it is to you. It obviously made perfect sense to others and had a pretty organic evolution and a satisfying payoff.

 

[greygoose]

I've seen it three times (for free, of course), just to appreciate how bad it is.

I didn't know ASM2 was so disliked. I thought everyone loved it!

 

[IrishJedi]

*sigh*

Batman would never have been loaded up with his special armor, kryptonite spear, traps, etc., just *waiting* for Superman if they didn't establish that Bruce had some way to bait him. If Bruce was just chilling in his recliner at home and Lex told Supes "bring me the head of the Bat" well then Lex' plan of Batman actually killing Superman wouldn't have had the slightest chance of playing out. In order for it to work Batman had to be the one ready and waiting. In order for him to be ready and waiting he had to have some indication that Supes would come for him. Enter the "I don't like your methods, bat is dead, don't respond to the signal" subplot which *did* have a payoff because it's what prompted Bruce to set up his cool Batsignal battleground.

I don't really know how else to explain it you, I suppose if you still think it's "pointless" well then that's what it is to you. It obviously made perfect sense to others and had a pretty organic evolution and a satisfying payoff.

Wait, are people really complaining that there wasn't exposition explaining Batman's armor?? If so, that's gotta be hair-pulling. I refuse to believe anyone (especially on here) would really have a problem with that. But, if so... wow.

 

[bboy]

But man did Spidey look great swinging and free falling in that glorious 3D!

No matter how bad that movie was It looked amazing in imax 3d. It could have been those brownies I ate, but I don't think so BVS is in no way as bad as ASM 2

 

[spindrift]

Wait, are people really complaining that there wasn't exposition explaining Batman's armor??

They find every nook and cranny to complain about in this film- while they go ape for TFA and Ant Man and Avengers with their 200 plot holes and no explanations..just part of the game here...

 

[bboy]

Wait, are people really complaining that there wasn't exposition explaining Batman's armor??

That's one of my favorite parts of the movie! If you've ever read a batman comic the surprise reveal of a new suit (usually made for a specific fight) is a familiar batman trope.

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

*sigh*

Batman would never have been loaded up with his special armor, kryptonite spear, traps, etc., just *waiting* for Superman if they didn't establish that Bruce had some way to bait him. .

Yes he would have, because he wanted to kill Superman, and like I said in the part of my post that you didn't quote, you can still set up a Batman V Superman fight without wasting time on a "Clark hates Batman't methods" subplot. Look how simple it is to set up Batman using a Batsignal to call Superman without the "Clark hates methods" subplot.

Lex invites both Clark and Bruce to the party because he already knew who they were. That's when Clark learns Batman's identity and that he's trying to get something important from Lex because Lex might not be a good guy, so Clark investigates the issue, Bruce does whatever he did in the film and when Bruce/Batman goes after the Kryptonite, he runs into Superman who is after the same thing, Batman shoots Sups and tries to put up a fight because his motivation has already been established and Sups is just trying to explain that they are both after the same thing...and their encounter ends with Batman letting Superman know that "he will bleed" and telling him next time you see my light in the sky, come find me. Done...no scenes of Clark arguing with Perry over Batman's methods and him getting photos from Lex...and non of that nonsense that has ZERO effect on the actual fight, from Sups point of view. In the end, the batsignal is just used as a tool to call Superman...it's not really bait since Superman is not like, "How dare he turn on that light after I told him not to use it!" He already knew Batman wanted to fight him...even Lex told him

 

[a-dev]

Clownprince will no doubt ably defend himself but I think you guys aren't giving him enough credit. I don't think he warrants a ''sigh'' or the usual insinuations of Marvel fanboyism. This is how discussions start devolving into flamewars.

 

[SNIKT1950]

Closing in on $700 million worldwide after only 10 days....I think it'll make $1 billion and Snyder dissers can go home and start sharpening their Ayer knives for SS...

Can't wait for the critics reviews for SS:

"Suicide Squad is a dark and depressing movie. Leto's Joker is too frightening."

"This is all wrong. The kids are supposed to be able to enjoy these movies. There's just nothing fun about Suicide Squad."

"Warner Bros. doesn't know how to make comic book movies. They're too serious. They should be more like Disney's Marvel Studios that feel like a slice of strawberry cheesecake with extra whip cream."

And the fan reviews (obviously after the critics reviews are out):

"Another bomb from DC. Awesome. Haven't even seen Suicide Squad but it definitely sucks."

"Suicide Squad was terrible. When I pirated it off the internet, I couldn't really find what was so terrible about it but its pretty terrible."

"The whole movie made no sense. It just didn't feel like a comic book movie. It felt too real and grounded. If I'm not laughing every two minutes during a CBM I'm not happy."

 

[IrishJedi]

"Another bomb from DC. Awesome. Haven't even seen Suicide Squad but it definitely sucks."

 

[greygoose]

Can't wait for the critics reviews for SS:

"Suicide Squad is a dark and depressing movie. Leto's Joker is too frightening."

"This is all wrong. The kids are supposed to be able to enjoy these movies. There's just nothing fun about Suicide Squad."

"Warner Bros. doesn't know how to make comic book movies. They're too serious. They should be more like Disney's Marvel Studios that feel like a slice of strawberry cheesecake with extra whip cream."

And the fan reviews (obviously after the critics reviews are out):

"Another bomb from DC. Awesome. Haven't even seen Suicide Squad but it definitely sucks."

"Suicide Squad was terrible. When I pirated it off the internet, I couldn't really find what was so terrible about it but its pretty terrible."

"The whole movie made no sense. It just didn't feel like a comic book movie. It felt too real and grounded. If I'm not laughing every two minutes during a CBM I'm not happy."

Haha, great post! Remember this post.

 

[spindrift]

Can't wait for the critics reviews for SS:

"Suicide Squad is a dark and depressing movie. Leto's Joker is too frightening."

"This is all wrong. The kids are supposed to be able to enjoy these movies. There's just nothing fun about Suicide Squad."

"Warner Bros. doesn't know how to make comic book movies. They're too serious. They should be more like Disney's Marvel Studios that feel like a slice of strawberry cheesecake with extra whip cream."

And the fan reviews (obviously after the critics reviews are out):

"Another bomb from DC. Awesome. Haven't even seen Suicide Squad but it definitely sucks."

"Suicide Squad was terrible. When I pirated it off the internet, I couldn't really find what was so terrible about it but its pretty terrible."

"The whole movie made no sense. It just didn't feel like a comic book movie. It felt too real and grounded. If I'm not laughing every two minutes during a CBM I'm not happy."

how utterly predictable- it isn't warm family friendly fluff- DARN

 

[Khev]

Yes he would have, because he wanted to kill Superman, and like I said in the part of my post that you didn't quote, you can still set up a Batman V Superman fight without wasting time on a "Clark hates Batman't methods" subplot. Look how simple it is to set up Batman using a Batsignal to call Superman without the "Clark hates methods" subplot.

Lex invites both Clark and Bruce to the party because he already knew who they were. That's when Clark learns Batman's identity and that he's trying to get something important from Lex because Lex might not be a good guy, so Clark investigates the issue, Bruce does whatever he did in the film and when Bruce/Batman goes after the Kryptonite, he runs into Superman who is after the same thing, Batman shoots Sups and tries to put up a fight because his motivation has already been established and Sups is just trying to explain that they are both after the same thing...and their encounter ends with Batman letting Superman know that "he will bleed" and telling him next time you see my light in the sky, come find me. Done...no scenes of Clark arguing with Perry over Batman's methods and him getting photos from Lex...and non of that nonsense that has ZERO effect on the actual fight, from Sups point of view. In the end, the batsignal is just used as a tool to call Superman...it's not really bait since Superman is not like, "How dare him turn on that light after I told him not to use it!" He already knew Batman wanted to fight him...even Lex told him

See in no way is that refuting the validity of the way it played out in the actual movie. In fact I think your method is even more far-fetched and "odd." You'd rather Superman *knew* about the kryptonite, tried to retrieve it during the same batmobile chase and...fail? And then after he fails to stop some humans from driving a truck he and Batman have a lttle preliminary tussle where Bruce plays the ***** and tries to damage Supes *without* kryptonite? Then later in the movie, after it has already been established that Supes knows that Bruce is after kryptonite, then HE will be the ***** and just walk right up to him?

Sorry, not a good alternative to what we got, IMO. But, as I said, that's just us with differing preferences. It doesn't sound like something we'll be seeing eye to eye on.

Spoiler

*sigh*

Spoiler

 

[moose]

Can't wait for the critics reviews for SS:

"Suicide Squad is a dark and depressing movie. Leto's Joker is too frightening."

"This is all wrong. The kids are supposed to be able to enjoy these movies. There's just nothing fun about Suicide Squad."

"Warner Bros. doesn't know how to make comic book movies. They're too serious. They should be more like Disney's Marvel Studios that feel like a slice of strawberry cheesecake with extra whip cream."

And the fan reviews (obviously after the critics reviews are out):

"Another bomb from DC. Awesome. Haven't even seen Suicide Squad but it definitely sucks."

"Suicide Squad was terrible. When I pirated it off the internet, I couldn't really find what was so terrible about it but its pretty terrible."

"The whole movie made no sense. It just didn't feel like a comic book movie. It felt too real and grounded. If I'm not laughing every two minutes during a CBM I'm not happy."

Your are forgetting he costume does not match the comic book, he need to look more like the flash from the CW all cheap cosplay because it s comic book accurate and don't forget it need to fit in his ring

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[The Clown Prince of Crime]

See in no way is that refuting the validity of the way it played out in the actual movie. In fact I think your method is even more far-fetched and "odd." You'd rather Superman *knew* about the kryptonite, tried to retrieve it during the same batmobile chase and...fail? And then after he fails to stop some humans from driving a truck he and Batman have a ilttle preliminary tussle where Bruce plays the ***** and tries to damage Supes *without* kryptonite? Then later in the movie, after it has already been established that Supes knows that Bruce is after kryptonite, then HE will be the ***** and just walk right up to him? Sorry, not a good alternative to what we got, IMO. But, as I said, that's just us with differing preferences. It doesn't sound like something we'll be seeing eye to eye on.

Well, Clark is a reporter and since he doesn't know what the effects of Kryptonite are, it makes sense for him to investigate why everyone wants some rock. He doesn't fail to get it, he runs into Batman, which serves as a distraction since Batman has a reason to attack Superman. That's better than a threat..."do you bleed? You will" while he stands on his damaged toy car trying to act tough when Sups can just lobotomize him.

When they do meet in the final fight, Superman doesn't necessarily know the full effects of the Kryptonite, but if he does, that wouldn't make him an *****, it makes him even more heroic that he knows he can get hurt, but he goes anyway to talk sense into Batman...even if it kills him. Anyway...not even Martha can make us see eye to eye

Spoiler

*sigh*

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[IrishJedi]

Spoiler

That's actually adorable.

 

[Khev]

That's better than a threat..."do you bleed? You will"

That was indeed a bad scene on many levels. While I agree with the purpose that it served, it was just so horribly executed. For all Superman knew Batman was chasing a truckful of human *** traffickers. So he just lets them go? He doesn't stop the truck and show Batman how to apprehend criminals without killing them? He just picks a side, the side of the criminals, and stops *Batman* instead a la Matt Modine in TDKR? And then he doesn't even give him a good lecture. "I know you mean well, but the killing has to stop. Next time that signal lights up the sky, I'll be the one to deal with it. In the meantime you need to lay low, consider this a warning." Something like that that still works in the idea of the batsignal as bait but doesn't have Supes lead off with a contemptuous threat ("the bat is DEAD") and then close with eye-rolling self-righteousness ("consider this mercy.")

We should have been constantly feeling like Supes was getting a raw deal with how he was treated the whole movie. Having him be a jerk and provoke Batman muddies those waters.

 

[IrishJedi]

That was indeed a bad scene on many levels. While I agree with the purpose that it served, it was just so horribly executed. For all Superman knew Batman was chasing a truckful of human *** traffickers. So he just lets them go? He doesn't stop the truck and show Batman how to apprehend criminals without killing them? He just picks a side, the side of the criminals, and stops *Batman* instead a la Matt Modine in TDKR? And then he doesn't even give him a good lecture. "I know you mean well, but the killing has to stop. Next time that signal lights up the sky, I'll be the one to deal with it. In the meantime you need to lay low, consider this a warning." Something like that that still works in the idea of the batsignal as bait but doesn't have Supes lead off with a contemptuous threat ("the bat is DEAD") and then close with eye-rolling self-righteousness ("consider this mercy.")

Yeah, not a fan of that scene, either. That was how Goyer originally wrote it (as seen in the movie). It was re-written, but they still went with the Goyer version for whatever, which does not work and feels out-of-place.

I do like the "Tell me... Do you bleed...", though. It's the Superman lines that are way off, imho.

 

[Khev]

Yeah, not a fan of that scene. That was how Goyer originally wrote it (as seen in the movie). It was re-written, but they still went with the Goyer version, which does not work.

I do like the "Tell me... Do you bleed...", though. It's the Superman lines that are way off, imho.

Yeah I think it's fine that Batman responded aggressively but Supes sure as heck shouldn't have led off his speech with similar sentiments. Stupid Goyer (and foolish Zack for not updating that exchange.)

 

[IrishJedi]

Yeah I think it's fine that Batman responded aggressively but Supes sure as heck shouldn't have led off his speech with similar sentiments. Stupid Goyer (and foolish Zack for not updating that exchange.)

Yeah, it was really an odd choice. I mean, I suppose it works for the "Versus" theme and all, but within the context of the film itself it just doesn't work. It's almost... snark, but without any of the underlying humor. And I've never been a big fan of Super-Snark among heroes anyway. And I kind of hope the world gets that out of its system after the inevitable Tony Stark vs Star-Lord snark-off in AVENGERS: INFINITY WAR. Playful banter is one thing, but dialogue exchanges that play like a contrived verbal chess match are tedious, imho.