Deliberate? Maybe the full heroic rendition will come back when he does in JL (if he's not an outright villain)
Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice (March 24th, 2016)
- Thread starter Uncanny Web-Slinger
- Start date
Help Support Collector Freaks Forum:
Deliberate? Maybe the full heroic rendition will come back when he does in JL (if he's not an outright villain)
Is that the part where he starts singing about all the human trinkets he's collected? Oh wait, I'm getting this mixed up with The Avengers.
The Clown Prince of Crime
Super Freak
The Clown Prince of Crime
Super Freak
People are in denial...it's the Phantom Menace syndrome all over again, but hey, movies are subjective and people have the right to like bad films, so who am I to judge them? I like MOS, which a lot of the BVS lovers hate and it's also considered a bad film by most critics
Destro
Super Freak
- Joined
- Jun 20, 2013
- Messages
- 306
- Reaction score
- 4
Fixed
Mr. Green
Super Freak
People are in denial...it's the Phantom Menace syndrome all over again, but hey, movies are subjective and people have the right to like bad films, so who am I to judge them, I like MOS, which a lot of the BVS lovers hate and it's also considered a bad film by most critics
People have the right to like great films that is bad to others.
same thing always happens with all movies online everywherePeople are in denial...it's the Phantom Menace syndrome all over again, but hey, movies are subjective and people have the right to like bad films, so who am I to judge them, I like MOS, which a lot of the BVS lovers hate and it's consider a bad film by most critics
eventually the lovers ride out the storm, endure and get to stay in the safe space and pass around the cookies and milk 
Jye's 300 comparison was pretty accurate actually
Last edited:
batfan08
Super Freak
People are in denial...it's the Phantom Menace syndrome all over again, but hey, movies are subjective and people have the right to like bad films, so who am I to judge them? I like MOS, which a lot of the BVS lovers hate and it's also considered a bad film by most critics
Who are you to say that it's objectively bad? Honestly, what pisses me off the most is the double standard that critics have. Snyder makes an, admittedly, disjointed superhero movie where people talk about the nature of gods and men and what effect a world full of heroes and vigilantes would look like, where Superman talks to his dead father and Batman has weird visions and they call it macabre, monotonous garbage, but, if a guy like, yes, I'll bring him up again, Terrence Malick makes an admittedly disjointed movie where Sean Penn has weird visions and talks to his dead father, they praise it and call it avant garde filmmaking.
All this stuff is subjective, and people have every right to not like the movie, just as people have every right to like it, but I do think it's also fair to say that, frankly, at least, in my own opinion, and only mine, this movie was railroaded by critics for not conforming to the conventions they've come to expect of this genre. I'm not even saying it's good. I've only seen it once, and my reaction upon leaving the theater was basically me shaking my head with my eyes wide open and my mouth ajar wondering what the hell I'd just watched, because it was that...different.
Honestly, though, that's why I liked it so much. Was it flawed? Absolutely. If I picked through it with a fine tooth comb, could I find a bunch of stuff to complain about? You better believe it, though, I will submit that if you put any number of the Marvel films under such close scrutiny, you could probably come up with an equally tedious list of qualms. All in all, though, this was unlike any superhero film I've ever seen, and I loved that about it.
The Clown Prince of Crime
Super Freak
Well, it's my opinion, but I gave it like a 6.7/10. I like to think I was pretty objective, since I consider MOS the best Superman film ever made, but I thought Cavill and Superman were garbage in BVS, and there are other issues, but if people like it, good for them. When it comes to the critics, I can understand some of the criticism because I agree with some of their points. Nevertheless, you make a good point that some critics are willing to give certain films a good review, yet this film gets criticized for doing the same "creative" things you might see in a Terrence Malick film.
I think the simple answer to that is, people and critics are willing to accept an original concept or story from Malick even if it's disjointed, but that's not what they want to see with an established well known brand and character like Superman. Whether people want to admit it or not, these are character and movies made to sell toys and happy meals, not win the Crying Monkey award (Tropic Thunder reference). It's okay to take it seriously, but when a film is called Batman V Superman, and an hour goes by and there's a lack of action, plenty of boring scenes, and a poor build up to a 7 minute fight with one character not even really wanting to fight, that might be a problem. Combine that with people not liking how some of these well know characters were portrayed in the film, like Emo Superman and Riddler Lex, and it makes sense why critics can't accepted they way they might accept an original story with original characters in a film by Malik.
Every critic and fan has certain expectations when it comes to these types of films. Personally, I wanted a good Batman, an evolution of the MOS Superman, and see him become and embody what Sups is all about. I also wanted a great fight between Bats and Sups with a great build up, and finally, a good final battle against DD. Out those 4 things, the only things I got out of this film were the DD fight and a pretty good Batman.
- Joined
- Oct 17, 2014
- Messages
- 4,717
- Reaction score
- 19
I'll never understand why people waste their time posting on a forum for a movie they hate. I've never nor will ever step into the Transformers, G.I. JOE, Insurgent, Twilight or Maze Runner forums because I consider those films crap & have absolutely no interest in discussing said crap. Not to mention, out of respect for the people who do love those films I won't troll those forums with "This movie sucks" posts every page.
Too much of that here.
Too much of that here.
I still
cmiller99
Super Freak
Yeah, well those properties don't have nearly as big a following as Batman and Superman. It's ok to have discussion about a movie where both sides, those who liked and disliked the movie, are represented. There is a difference between posting 'this movie sucks' and having some substantiation behind that point of view, which I think has been the case over the last few pages at least.
batfan08
Super Freak
To be clear, as far as your opinion goes, I respect that, but when you said "people are allowed to like bad movies," it kind of seemed as though you were framing it as if that wasn't just an opinion, but perhaps I'm just being pedantic, so, what the hell.
I guess I'll never understand why being different makes it bad. Even in the early days, people were criticizing the method of the DCEU, saying that "they should do it like Marvel," and "the Marvel Studios formula is a proven success." I don't get why everything has to be the same. Why does the Reeve Superman have to be the same characterization for every film, why can't Batman kill; why can't a guy like Snyder try to make an experimental superhero movie?Ultimately, these characters haven't endured for as long as they have by remaining exactly the same. Batman has killed, Batman hasn't killed, he's hidden in the shadows, and he's run up the steps of the Gotham City Hall in broad daylight. Yeah, there are core characteristics, but I fail to see why people can't judge something as "what it is" as opposed to "what they want it to be." The same **** happened with TDKR, to an extent. With people complaining about the ending and how Batman doesn't deserve a happy ending, and so on and so forth. At the end of the day, it's just one interpretation of the character in a multiverse filled with thousands.
If BvS was beat-for-beat, the same style, tone, whathaveyou as Civil War, I feel like, ultimately, that would do a disservice to the genre as a whole, because, ultimately, it cuts the time in which people would eventually get bored with these films in half. Maybe BvS is the movie people deserve, just not the one they need right now.
As far as the Malick stuff goes, all I'm asking for is a little consistency. They don't even have to like it, but don't praise one guy for his "experimental" editing choices as some genius who has transcended the medium of film, itself, and delivered a metaphysical experience on celluloid. You want to talk about ****** editing? Be my guest, but cut through the pretentious ******** and look at this stuff objectively.The Tree of Life won the Palm D'or. The PALM D'OR. That's like the highest honor in film at Cannes, and it did a bunch of the same **** that people are complaining about with this movie. Ultimately, it comes down to a matter of objectivity, and I guess it's difficult for me to view a lot of the criticism this movie gets, for these specific things, mind you, as anything less than snobbery.
- Joined
- Oct 17, 2014
- Messages
- 4,717
- Reaction score
- 19
"Substantiation."
Last page, a poster literally argues that everyone who liked this movie is in denial because its unequivocally a bad movie.
Statements like that are far worse than saying "This movie sucks." Statements like that basically imply anyone who likes the movie is an *****.
*I've read over your posts regarding this film. The majority of them I find overtly critical and antagonistic. While you're not saying "This movie sucks" you're still basically looking for other people's negative views on the film to champion your own. I say that because most of your major complaints with BvS were squashed by other posters yet I don't see any retraction on your part of how wrong you were about the film's "issues".
Your most repeated gripe being that Batman displayed "hypocrisy" by leading Doomsday back to a populated Gotham - when in reality he led the creature to a deserted area. So you gave the film all this **** about being poorly written because Batman's motivation to kill Superman is hypocrisy at its finest yet you were wrong. Your posts on it since haven't improved at all though. That shows (what is obvious) that you didn't deem BvS "a dumb summer movie" after seeing it but rather before seeing it, just like 90% of the people who hate the movie which made up their minds about it two days before seeing it as the RT plummeted down to 29% opening night.
People wanted and continue to want to hate this movie. The reasoning for that? Its a long list to choose from.
-Internet Bandwagoning
-Misplaced hate for DC due to Disney/Marvel brainwash/conditioning
-Disdain for MOS & BvS tone due to desire for Disney/Marvel family friendly tone
-Absurd loyalty to the romanticized Donner Superman
EVILFACE
Insufferable S.O.B.
They are attention whores. Nothing more.
Similar threads
