If you said that this movie was made by people smoking rocks, I would take it as a more believable "fact."
Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice (March 24th, 2016)
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Finished The Dark Knight Returns (1986) last night and unsurprisingly it was a very enjoyable read. It was a little bit like what I'd imagine picking up John Carter of Mars though in that it's been copied/referenced so many times over the years that it "felt" familiar even though it was the groundbreaking original.
The only thing that surprised me was that I actually liked the Superman/Batman fight in BvS more than how Miller did it. I thought it was cooler and more "Batman-like" for him to be hitting Supes with the kryptonite gas than having his buddy Green Arrow do it. I also wasn't sure how Joker died. One minute Batman is grappling him and then the next Joker says "Ha ha, you couldn't go all the way," and then seemingly willed himself to death. Not sure exactly what happened there.
Otherwise it was great to finally get up to speed on such a seminal work of comic art.
The only thing that surprised me was that I actually liked the Superman/Batman fight in BvS more than how Miller did it. I thought it was cooler and more "Batman-like" for him to be hitting Supes with the kryptonite gas than having his buddy Green Arrow do it. I also wasn't sure how Joker died. One minute Batman is grappling him and then the next Joker says "Ha ha, you couldn't go all the way," and then seemingly willed himself to death. Not sure exactly what happened there.
Otherwise it was great to finally get up to speed on such a seminal work of comic art.
Joker broke his own neck
Sorry but I already declared that that BvS rocking is a fact so your hands are tied, unfortunately.
That's weird but okay, thanks for clarifying.
On the fight: In TDKR Batman is considerably older and can't really be as hands-on as Affleck's Batman who's old, yes, but he's in his mid 40s or so, whereas TDKR Bruce was in his 60s IIRC. Plus, that Batman and Superman had a history, same with Green Arrow. It was supposed to be more than a fight, kinda like a clash of these 2 old friends who drifted apart due to ideological differences.
On Joker: It's meant to be ambiguous, kinda like the Mutant's "death" (ala the burning scene in BvS). Apparently, Joker, seeing as this is the "end", twists his own neck to frame Batman. But, if you look at it from another POV, it's as if Batman finally snapped and killed him, but he doesn't want to accept that, so he "imagines" Joker "killing" himself. In sumary, it's up to you.
And the book is all that more impactful if you think about it in context. In the last 30 years, we've seen post-modern, dark and gritty takes like this out the wazoo. But this (and Watchmen) was revolutionary at the time, following the stuff Moore and Miller had done earlier in the decade with Daredevil, Swamp Thing, Miracleman, etc. Particularly for more casual fans who never were exposed to the other stuff.
Yeah and when I saw BvS and Affleck reached through the wall and grappled the gunman I thought "Oh cool he's pulling a 'RoboCop.'" Then I read TDKR and see that he did it there a full year before the RoboCop movie. So Peter Weller was actually pulling a "TDKR." Not surprising that Orion commissioned Miller to help script the sequels (not that it worked out too well but still.)
The electromagnetic pulse/nuclear winter that put Gotham into a "30 Days of Night" type situation was pretty brilliant and I'm surprised no filmmaker has ever tried to run with that idea.
The electromagnetic pulse/nuclear winter that put Gotham into a "30 Days of Night" type situation was pretty brilliant and I'm surprised no filmmaker has ever tried to run with that idea.
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Yeah BvS is like somebody drank a bottle of TDKR and a bottle of DoS and we got a jar of Granny's Peach Tea.
And that's being generous!
You can see where Nolan got his "fakes his own death* thing" though Miller Bats spent his retirement just a *little* differently than Bale did.
I was also surprised that Miller's Batman still didn't kill. Not even Joker which half the book was seemingly building toward.
*though are we to believe that Bruce's deception *killed* Alfred??
I was also surprised that Miller's Batman still didn't kill. Not even Joker which half the book was seemingly building toward.
*though are we to believe that Bruce's deception *killed* Alfred??
Well that scene you reference actually did have him shooting the guy holding the baby hostage. But that's one instance where it's pretty damn justifiable.
That's right. Did the guy die though? Now I can't remember. I just remember that later in the book it was such a big deal that "murder charges" were finally being added to his list of crimes after he supposedly offed the Joker.
There was a blood stain on the wall I think, but it's possible the guy didn't die.
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And that's being generous!
I almost wrote "Grampy's chocolate biscuit."
You just can't ket it go.
Oh boy. If you're calling me out on trolling it might be time to move along.
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I always took it as Batman shooting him on the shoulder or something. You see that only one shell is fired, and Batman is a good enough marskman to be able to disarm him without killing him.
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Yeah, TDKR was a full 3 years before Batman 89.
It really made me love Batman even more back then which lead to the excitement build up of seeing a dark Batman in 89.
Today kids will just grow up with Superman being just as much vicious if not more so than Batman!
It really made me love Batman even more back then which lead to the excitement build up of seeing a dark Batman in 89.
Today kids will just grow up with Superman being just as much vicious if not more so than Batman!
Today kids will just grow up with Superman being just as much vicious if not more so than Batman!
Totally.
1986: Totally brutal and dark Batman still hesitates to actually take a human life, no matter how vile, Joker breaks his own neck
2013: "Here let me take care of that for you--" *SNAP* "Now where's my woman??" *smoochy smoochy smoochy*--Superman
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