Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice (March 24th, 2016)

[e30ernest]

It this were true we'd have 1/10 of the critics we have now (which is what the number was twenty years ago).

There are more critics now because it's easier to be one because of the Internet. 20 years ago, you'd need to work for a publication to carry your story. Now all you need to do is start a free blog.

Critics absolutely have the power to sink a film. All throughout the week BvS opened people (not critics) were already anticipating a bad film and alot of them didn't even bother to watch it opening weekend (which is why all the estimates were off).

I think you have it the other way around. Opening weekend was packed. If people didn't bother to watch during opening weekend, then it wouldn't have opened to such high gross numbers. The decline is more telling. I think it's more on word of mouth rather than just critical reviews.

 

[batfan08]

I think the whole idea of a conspiracy with Disney is absolutely ludicrous. However, I do think that many reviews may have been colored by biases in the form of preconceptions of what a "comic book movie" should be. I'm sorry, but I fail to see why a movie has to be "fun" to be "good."

The film had problems, but I also feel like many critics did, as well, in the form of objectivity. Simply put, I do not see any reason why it should be at 29%. That is lower than "The Room." "THE ****ING ROOM." Even at its most hated, this movie deserved better.

 

[SNIKT1950]

I think the whole idea of a conspiracy with Disney is absolutely ludicrous. However, I do think that many reviews may have been colored by biases in the form of preconceptions of what a "comic book movie" should be. I'm sorry, but I fail to see why a movie has to be "fun" to be "good." The film had problems, but I also feel like many critics did, as well, in the form of objectivity. Simply put, I do not see any reason why it should be at 29%. That is lower than "The Room." "THE ****ING ROOM." Even at its most hated, that movie deserved better.

If you agree that the 28% makes no sense (specially when the audience review is 70%) aren't you curious as to why Disney's worst Marvel films still got Certified Fresh reviews? Do you honestly see these critics branding IM2 & THOR TDW as good movies?

The audience review score for BvS screams foul play.

 

[batfan08]

If you agree that the 28% makes no sense (specially when the audience review is 70%) aren't you curious as to why Disney's worst Marvel films still got Certified Fresh reviews? Do you honestly see these critics branding IM2 & THOR TDW as good movies?

The audience review score for BvS screams foul play.

Foul play? Perhaps. Foul play perpetrated by the Disney overlords, as opposed to critics who think that these films should only stick to what they're good at, and not try anything different or automatically suck by default? Nah.

 

[RIDDICK]

... aren't you curious as to why worst Marvel films still got Certified Fresh reviews?
Do you honestly see these critics branding IM2 & THOR TDW as good movies?

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RT scores

Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows Part 2 - 95%
John Carter ------------------------------------- 50%

The Dark Knight Rises - 85%
Prince of Persia ------- 35%

 

[e30ernest]

So your whole argument is that because there hasn't been a whistle blower the whole thing is ridiculous?

Hilarious.

You ever heard of Edward Snowden?

Ok, how exactly does paying for bad BvS reviews help Disney/Marvel (if it is even them who are paying for it)?

I'd believe that scenario if BvS and Civil War were opening on the same week, or even the same month. I'd actually think that a bad review for BvS can hurt Civil War because Civil War is another movie where one superhero fights another superhero happening 2 months after the last one.

Really, they aren't even competing against each other here. It's not like an iPhone vs Galaxy review where people are only going to buy one. People will still watch or ignore Civil War and it will do as well or as badly as it would have even if BvS broke box office records and received critical acclaim.

And if it is true that Disney is buying journalists to give BvS a bad review, why won't WB do the same?

Or maybe let's just apply Ockham's Razor and just go with the simplest theory: there were flaws on this film that impacted its reviews and people who watched it did not hype it either so it didn't sell well past its opening.

 

[Victοr]

Since your brain ain't big enough to grasp what I'm suggesting, here it is in its most simplistic form: [...]

The moment you start accusing people you don't know of being "stoopid", just for having a different opinion, is the moment you lose all credibillity. I'm not the one who resorts to personal insults to get his point across and neither do I refuse to acknowledge the other side's points. You sir, are the very definition of a petty child having a tantrum because the bad, bad men at the message boards don't respond to his whims and dare to think differently.

 

[SNIKT1950]

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The Dark Knight Rises - 85%
Prince of Persia ------- 35%

Prince of Persia and John Carter weren't under Feige (who has complete autonomy over the Marvel division).

 

[cmiller99]

RT scores

Batman Returns --------------------------- 80%
Batman Forever --------------------------- 40%

Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows Part 2 - 95%
John Carter -------------------------------- 50%

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I guess this theory doesn't work.

The theory does work when referring to BvS, because I tailor made it to reflect the film, the critical reaction, and the climate of modern Hollywood.

To apply that to Batman Returns, Forever, Harry Potter and John Carter without refining the model to reflect the circumstances of their release, the actual content of the film, and what the critics themselves were saying at the time is like saying Harry Potter = Batman v Superman, or Batman Forever = (insert weak Marvel movie here), without actually going into any further detail or considering the above elements. That's too black and white to be accurate.

If you took time to adapt the model to reflect these things, then you can come up with completely different conclusions; for example, Batman Returns and Forever were released in a relatively comic book movie-skint world back in the 1990s, compared to today's saturated market; Batman and Batman Returns were (for the most part) critically embraced as new turns for comic book movies and Batman in general; and Batman Forever was seen as a regression of sorts by some critics - things like that for example.

So your whole argument is that because there hasn't been a whistle blower the whole thing is ridiculous?

Yes, if you're detailing a world wide film critic conspiracy, then yes. **** yes.

The moment you start accusing people you don't know of being "stoopid", just for having a different opinion, is the moment you lose all credibillity. I'm not the one who resorts to personal insults to get his point across and neither do I refuse to acknowledge the other side's points. You sir, are the very definition of a petty child having a tantrum because the bad, bad men at the message boards don't respond to his whims and dare to think differently.

 

[RIDDICK]

Prince of Persia and John Carter weren't under Feige.

And... ?
The whole discussion is about Disney ownin' critics, which is not the case at all.

 

[Darth Snoopy]

Play nice, Freaks; and keep all political comments, regardless how minor they may be, out of this board.

Thread cleaned.

 

[jye4ever]

the people that trashed and hated and just completely attacked man of steel before but now love and defend this movie must issue a public apology lol.
it is not fair that mos was endlessly attacked for the exact same things this movie is given a pass for...

you know who you are... apologize please.

Nope.

BvS is better though, much so for me.

MOS was mostly boring, krypton was ugly and it had the epic lolnado.

BvS has Batman, WW, a better villain, it wasn't boring, it has the very awesome jar of piss scene AND i'll say it again...it has the ******* BATMAN!

Awf cawrse its better than MOS silly.

Are you going to blow yourself up when Khev and Jye show up to apologize at the hearing?

Then after the explosion Sourman will pout and contemplate the meaning of a low calorie diet.

 

[YoNoSe]

One nice thing about the Internet is that you can get a good close look at crazy people without actually getting within spitting distance. That has value to a New Yorker.

 

[jye4ever]

 

[Darth Snoopy]

One nice thing about the Internet is that you can get a good close look at crazy people without actually getting within spitting distance. That has value to a New Yorker.

Plus they can't throw their excrement at you.

 

[YoNoSe]

Plus they can't throw their excrement at you.

Among other things. Multiple Miggs.....

 

[**16k**]

Heard you're out in Ireland. That explains why you would think corruption in the Press is an impossible notion.

See, here in the states things work differently. Wars are conceived to boost our economy, rapists serve shorter sentences than pot-smokers, politicians are privately owned and war criminals currently under investigation by our FBI are running for President.

A billion-dollar corporation like Disney buying critics is child's play compared to the other **** that goes on in this country.

Damn!

For a moment, I thought you were describing France!

 

[SNIKT1950]

First things first, that's Rorywan who's Irish - not me. I'm in Australia.

I love the casual implication that all Irish people are naïve, I mean, what are you typing?

Australia, Ireland, whatever.

You're not in tune with how things are done here in America. We have corruption in every crevice. Hollywood is a cesspool. There are no saints in the studio system.

A billion-dollar corporation like Disney buying critics is small potatoes compared to the other deep and dark **** unfolding in this country.

 

[YoNoSe]

No corruption in my crevice. I just got a new loofa.

 

[karamazov80]

Catching up on comments from last night, I see a number of uncalled for, personal insults here. Critique the films/critics/Disney all you want, but if you continue explicitly insulting other members in such a way, infractions will be given. Consider this mercy.