Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice (March 24th, 2016)

[snoop101]

I only see the haters complaining about Superman.

Batman and WW were liked by most.

I'm not counting Lex since you didn't mention him.

Yeah people seem to love the murdering Batman.

 

[Khev]

I actually have to give props to Khev as one of the few guys who didn't seem to come into this with any dog in the fight. He's always been an unabashed Marvel guy, but loved this movie and hasn't backed down from defending it. . .lord knows why he's doing it, but RESPECT Same for JYE.

Honestly I did enjoy it (obviously) but I really do want you DC or Superman guys to be able to enjoy your franchises too and I don't think highlighting the strong points of BvS in any way reduces (nor should it) my enthusiasm for Marvel or anything else. And I think that allowing your fandom of one type of movie to make you want to hate another film or series or have it fail is just juvenile and dumb. Marvel will always be my favorite but I'm not going to pretend that The Avengers is better than Batman Begins because of it.

 

[Khev]

Yeah, because it really makes all that much difference how much his suit weighs... Supes could do as much damage through either material. If it provides added strength through mechanics, then fair enough. But they didn't show that in the film.

See this is just so out there I just have to wonder if it's an elaborate troll. I'm just going to allow for that to be the case because otherwise, really? REALLY? You can't wrap your head around why Bats might want stronger armor against a guy like Superman? Let me ask you something. Why do motorcyclists wear helmets? Is it because a *helmet* will stop an 18 wheeler? Or does the helmet simply give the cyclist extra protection from the pavement when they swerve to avoid that 18 wheeler and fall of their bike? Do you get why your confusion is coming across as silly now? No Batman's armored suit won't suddenly stop a full on punch from Superman, but the movie *itself* showed how valuable it was a number of times as Bats was getting thrown around.

 

[bboy]

This.

Given that the critics are completely against this franchise, any reservations on WB's part to make THE BATMAN R-rated should be thrown out the window.

Let Affleck and Leto knock it completely outta the park without any content restrictions or running time issues.

I get the chills just thinking about an Affleck directed batman movie with leto. I hope he goes a little hokey and we get some manbat or clayface action. Maybe a nod to the arkham games with a Joker/Clayface swap.

 

[subzro]

Honestly I did enjoy it (obviously) but I really do want you DC or Superman guys to be able to enjoy your franchises too and I don't think highlighting the strong points of BvS in any way reduces (nor should it) my enthusiasm for Marvel or anything else. And I think that allowing your fandom of one type of movie to make you want to hate another film or series or have it fail is just juvenile and dumb. Marvel will always be my favorite but I'm not going to pretend that The Avengers is better than Batman Begins because of it.

 

[Khev]

BvS was suitably epic, gave us the best Batman ever put on screen and a great Wonder Woman, it prompted me to finally pick up and read TDKR, fun conversation here, etc., lots to appreciate about it.

 

[spindrift]

I think DC should just say "**** it" and go whole hog. They should make a Green Arrow solo movie that's just two and a half hours of Oscar bait where we watch Speedy destroy his life with Heroin as Ollie just breaks down trying to deal with his sidekick's addiction.

GREAT idea! Why try to cater to people who are going to find reasons to HATE everything you do or choose in a film. Just make it the way you want it- pretty much what Snyder did in his two DC films.

 

[spindrift]

BvS was suitably epic, gave us the best Batman ever put on screen and a great Wonder Woman, it prompted me to finally pick up and read TDKR, fun conversation here, etc., lots to appreciate about it.

Made me appreciate TDKR even more on how stuff played out in live action inspired by parts of it

 

[Starscream Soundwave]

See this is just so out there I just have to wonder if it's an elaborate troll. I'm just going to allow for that to be the case because otherwise, really? REALLY? You can't wrap your head around why Bats might want stronger armor against a guy like Superman? Let me ask you something. Why do motorcyclists wear helmets? Is it because a *helmet* will stop an 18 wheeler? Or does the helmet simply give the cyclist extra protection from the pavement when they swerve to avoid that 18 wheeler and fall of their bike? Do you get why your confusion is coming across as silly now? No Batman's armored suit won't suddenly stop a full on punch from Superman, but the movie *itself* showed how valuable it was a number of times as Bats was getting thrown around.

Motorcyclists wear their helmets all the time. Why doesn't Batman do the same?

 

[IrishJedi]

Motorcyclists wear their helmets all the time. Why doesn't Batman do the same?

Because it hinders his mobility and speed when he's fighting human criminals, which is what he does 99.9% of the time??

 

[spindrift]

See this is just so out there I just have to wonder if it's an elaborate troll. I'm just going to allow for that to be the case because otherwise, really? REALLY? You can't wrap your head around why Bats might want stronger armor against a guy like Superman? Let me ask you something. Why do motorcyclists wear helmets? Is it because a *helmet* will stop an 18 wheeler? Or does the helmet simply give the cyclist extra protection from the pavement when they swerve to avoid that 18 wheeler and fall of their bike? Do you get why your confusion is coming across as silly now? No Batman's armored suit won't suddenly stop a full on punch from Superman, but the movie *itself* showed how valuable it was a number of times as Bats was getting thrown around.

Best thing to do is ignore them, really- just go on about how everything in the DCU makes sense and needs no more scrutiny- oops did I say that?

 

[JAWS]

I don't think I'm going to ever going to get tired of the "everyone in my audience/work/life all agree with me and back up my opinion" posts. You see how clever those claims are? How they don't require a shred of proof? Most paranoid delusions are intricate, but this is brilliant!

The average audience, who make or brake a movie, know **** about What makes a good movie.
They just want to be entertained and they follow Tv critics ads like lemmings.
BVS has bad reviews, was not fun, long, and reading some comments way too complicated to understand it seems.
The marketing dept did not managed to catch the public attention.
The dark knight rises was a big pile of turd but still it made tons of money, people went to see it.
With all its flaws i found BVS to be a far better movie than DKR or any Marvel flick up to this day (Deadpool included wich is a funny movie that Will be forgotten, its already is in my circles).ù
But it wasnt What people wanted to see. Even if the story was good.
Blah who cares, Zack and go are already at it to continue in the same vein.
Even if i dont end up liking everything i really respect the artistic intégrity at work there.
Numbers dont mean **** to me, average dumb audience who taste in their ass mean ****.
Just seeing how the movie is polarizing means that it Will be talked about for years to come, What Snyder and co are doing is something really spécial like it or not, its not bland , nor dumb, nor crafted hastly.
I wish them only the best.

to comments like this. The old "I liked it and anyone who doesn't has no taste or does not know what a good movie it" Drives me crazy and I like the film. But I can see why people didn't... And this whole "It's polarizing so it will be talked about for years to come" Well IM3 was polarizing also. That thread went on forever with haters and defenders.. Now people seemed to have turned on it and it's the "bad" marvel film. Same goes for the Hobbit films.. Lots of fans and lots of haters. Now they are what they are, The "Not as good as the LOTR Movies" movies.

BvS is polarizing because of it's subject matter and how the final product turned out. Had this been a film about two brand new super hero's nobody had heard about then the discussions would not be so intense. It's not because it's high art or something special. I agree that it's not dumb or crafted hastily... I would say it's a little bland though. Time will tell with this movie. I think the Director's cut could really make a difference. I can't wait to see it.

But like I said, I liked the film but I am seeing more post about how people that don't like it are stupid or don't understand film rather than talking about the merits of the film. Which would be fine but then I read about how the people who don't like the film should just go away and are trolls.. LOL

For the the record, I never bought into the Disney conspiracy theory stuff or even really considered it. I don't buy it. But I have observed a bunch of people being petty little pricks when it comes to this movie. From fans to movie bloggers, there absolutely was a set of people being cynical about this movie from Day 1 and rooting for it to fail. And with the RT ratings and the 2nd weekend drop it's pretty easy to identify who they are with all of their "Neener! Neener!" articles, videos and posts. It's not obvious or anything.

MOS gave people the ax to grind.... right or wrong many people felt like Karamazov

And I agree with the comments about some folks holding cynicism/skepticism/even hatred held toward this movie before it came out. It was going to be damn hard convincing these folks that this movie was even OK, much less really good. I admittedly was one of those, from day one. But it's not irrational when you know who is involved and had such a terrible experience with Man of Steel, and the movie was a logical continuation of MOS really. And of course, it works both ways. You have extreme defenders of the film, who aren't really being irrational, but who love it or have a stake in it for one reason or another and who will therefore allow the film's issues to be viewed through rose tinted glasses. S'all good though. It's not unlike issues we see everyday in all walks of life. You should see some of the knock-down, drag-outs I've seen among University faculty members over really inconsequential ****.

I actually have to give props to Khev as one of the few guys who didn't seem to come into this with any dog in the fight. He's always been an unabashed Marvel guy, but loved this movie and hasn't backed down from defending it. . .lord knows why he's doing it, but RESPECT Same for JYE.

There was a side of me that hated it before I saw it but that was because MOS and the trailers had me starting to hate it. I did not like Doomsday and I thought that having WW in it was a mistake. Lex looked awful and the Superman looked like he was going to be an unlikable Dink... Turns out I was only half right (I loved WW and thought Superman was great) I was not rooting against it. I wanted it to do well... But I was afraid that it would suck and do well anyways.. That I did not want to see. I still think it could have been better. Third time is hopefully the charm for Snyder.

No. No way
Only the haters need a time out. Only the bashers deserve punishment, they deserve pain. Ben Affleck and Zack Snyder should bring sticks to beat up the haters to a bloody pulp! They deserve to burn in hell and Zack deserves to send them there.
I hope Zack bashes them to tiny little pieces those troll haters omg I hate them so much!!!!!!! Disney scum. Those critics probably wear adult Mickey diapers to sleep

The souls of the haters will burn for all eternity in the flames of satans domain.

Yeah. Basically..

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

Because it hinders his mobility and speed when he's fighting human criminals, which is what he does 99.9% of the time??

Wouldn't that also be a problem if he's fighting a superman? He was able to throw kicks and run with the armor.

 

[IrishJedi]

Wouldn't that also be a problem if he's fighting a superman? He was able to throw kicks and run with the armor.

Not the way that fight played out, which is pretty much what he planned for. Like Khev said, the suit (and even the little traps) was basically just there to buy him time in an attempt to lure Superman into the real trap.

 

[JAWS]

Honestly I did enjoy it (obviously) but I really do want you DC or Superman guys to be able to enjoy your franchises too and I don't think highlighting the strong points of BvS in any way reduces (nor should it) my enthusiasm for Marvel or anything else. And I think that allowing your fandom of one type of movie to make you want to hate another film or series or have it fail is just juvenile and dumb. Marvel will always be my favorite but I'm not going to pretend that The Avengers is better than Batman Begins because of it.

Ummm.. Avengers is Better then Batman Begins... So is the Winter Sodier

See this is just so out there I just have to wonder if it's an elaborate troll. I'm just going to allow for that to be the case because otherwise, really? REALLY? You can't wrap your head around why Bats might want stronger armor against a guy like Superman? Let me ask you something. Why do motorcyclists wear helmets? Is it because a *helmet* will stop an 18 wheeler? Or does the helmet simply give the cyclist extra protection from the pavement when they swerve to avoid that 18 wheeler and fall of their bike? Do you get why your confusion is coming across as silly now? No Batman's armored suit won't suddenly stop a full on punch from Superman, but the movie *itself* showed how valuable it was a number of times as Bats was getting thrown around.

Agreed.... That does seem Troll like

 

[Starscream Soundwave]

I don't see why everyone with differing opinions has to be labeled a 'troll'. My original point wasn't a major criticism of the film. It wasn't mindless abuse. The whole armoured suit thing would have worked better had it been fleshed out a little more.

 

[crows]

This is one thing I don't understand,
This movie was a financial success, ok, 300 million is really good. Ok, so far so good. Ok.

But man of steel was a success too.

And not only did they not do a man of steel 2, but they had to add batman and wonder woman into the man of steel sequel...

So for a movie that was such a huge success, they certainly changed their plans didn't they?
They certainly brought up batman to fix the damage caused by man of steel's reaction .

So man of steel being the HUGE success it was.... The magnificent success that it was.
And they felt the need to bring batman...

So with tho movie, that will make less and had worst reviews... This movie will somehow do better and justice league wont need any fixing.

 

[JAWS]

Yeah, because it really makes all that much difference how much his suit weighs... Supes could do as much damage through either material. If it provides added strength through mechanics, then fair enough. But they didn't show that in the film.

I don't see why everyone with differing opinions has to be labeled a 'troll'. My original point wasn't a major criticism of the film. It wasn't mindless abuse. The whole armoured suit thing would have worked better had it been fleshed out a little more.

Your right.. I should not have heaped on... But when fighting Superman you might want to plan for getting slammed into the ground or through a wall or something. Best to have some protection... It was also obvious IMO that it gave him more strength.

I think you overthought it just a bit.

 

[JAWS]

This is one thing I don't understand,
This movie was a financial success, ok, 300 million is really good. Ok, so far so good. Ok.

But man of steel was a success too.

And not only did they not do a man of steel 2, but they had to add batman and wonder woman into the man of steel sequel...

So for a movie that was such a huge success, they certainly changed their plans didn't they?
They certainly brought up batman to fix the damage caused by man of steel's reaction .

So man of steel being the HUGE success it was.... The magnificent success that it was.
And they felt the need to bring batman...
.

Dude that is why they are not making BvS part 2 and jumping right to Justice League... They planned for this... They figure Aquaman can save the Series now

 

[Darkseed]

Aquaman....the least interesting part of JL