Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice (March 24th, 2016)

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i wish someone could photoshop this pic behind the burning car

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jye? please :pray: lets make a new meme!
 
I'm not quite sure the Cap America-Superman comparisons are valid, regarding the way they are presented and their relevance to modern audiences in their respective films.

Cap America starts out as a sickly, underdeveloped young man who wants to help his country.
He suffers abuse, but accepts it stoically until he is given super strength, agility and becomes a Super Hero, imbued with the righteous spirit of America leading the world in a global crusade against the evils of the Nazi regime. His values are the values of 1930's America, and are sometimes at odds with our cynical, jaded, modern world.

Superman grows up a frightened child, with powers he doesn't comprehend and, more often than not, cannot control.
He's an outsider and is reminded of it on a daily basis. He doesn't have a simple enemy to face, he grows up in our very own fractured world, with the moral guidance of his parents who believe he must find his own destiny. He reflects our own values and fears, as he tries to cope with a cynical, jaded world.

Quite frankly, I don't see how you can have Superman have the same clearly defined set of principles that harken to a different time (and a different world) without making him a bit of a caricature.
 
I liked it first up and have seen it twice more, liking it more each time.

But a fellow fan who was underwhelmed theorises that the Doomsday sequence was an afterthought and that's why they took an extra year to finish the film. Makes sense that the Batman/Superman face-off would have been originally intended as the climax.

Maybe they shoulda saved Doomsday for the next flick (or a solo "Death of Superman") rather than rushing headlong into Darkseid.
 
I'm not quite sure the Cap America-Superman comparisons are valid, regarding the way they are presented and their relevance to modern audiences in their respective films.

Cap America starts out as a sickly, underdeveloped young man who wants to help his country.
He suffers abuse, but accepts it stoically until he is given super strength, agility and becomes a Super Hero, imbued with the righteous spirit of America leading the world in a global crusade against the evils of the Nazi regime. His values are the values of 1930's America, and are sometimes at odds with our cynical, jaded, modern world.

Superman grows up a frightened child, with powers he doesn't comprehend and, more often than not, cannot control.
He's an outsider and is reminded of it on a daily basis. He doesn't have a simple enemy to face, he grows up in our very own fractured world, with the moral guidance of his parents who believe he must find his own destiny. He reflects our own values and fears, as he tries to cope with a cynical, jaded world.

Quite frankly, I don't see how you can have Superman have the same clearly defined set of principles that harken to a different time (and a different world) without making him a bit of a caricature.
I guess this is what people mean when they say that they feel Superman can't be done as he used to be done in the comics. But the key about Superman, that is highlighted in the Donner film, and is at the core of stories like the Nail and Superman: Red Son, is that he is raised by farmers with good, more "traditional" values. In the comics, the Kents don't tell Superman he should let kids die in a bus crash, commit suicide, or stand in front of rock piles blathering on about who can remember what. They teach him to be a good person, and to take care of others. To say his prayers, take his vitamins, and be a true Hulkamaniac. Without this, Superman would be corrupted by his power just like any other man would. His upbringing is what keeps him from being the Justice Lord.

From that perspective, there is a very strong parallel to Cap. Is the WWII-era optimism of Cap different from that of a post-Watergate-era Superman? Sure. But the core ideas are the same, in the sense that both are optimistic, selfless, and have a strong belief that doing the right thing is a duty and privilege really, given their gifts. Representing an American ideal. And so the way Cap is represented in film really is more how Superman should be presented in my humble opinion.

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I guess this is what people mean when they say that they feel Superman can't be done as he used to be done in the comics. But the key about Superman, that is highlighted in the Donner film, and is at the core of stories like the Nail and Superman: Red Son, is that he is raised by farmers with good, more "traditional" values. In the comics, the Kents don't tell Superman he should let kids die in a bus crash, commit suicide, or stand in front of rock piles blathering on about who can remember what. They teach him to be a good person, and to take care of others. To say his prayers, take his vitamins, and be a true Hulkamaniac. Without this, Superman would be corrupted by his power just like any other man would. His upbringing is what keeps him from being the Justice Lord.

From that perspective, there is a very strong parallel to Cap. Is the WWII-era optimism of Cap different from that of a post-Watergate-era Superman? Sure. But the core ideas are the same, in the sense that both are optimistic, selfless, and have a strong belief that doing the right thing is a duty and privilege really, given their gifts. Representing an American ideal. And so the way Cap is represented in film really is more how Superman should be presented in my humble opinion.


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Even though I enjoyed BvS I can't help but lol at the satire new age Superman and his parents have brought upon themselves.
 
Alfred is piloting the batwing just out of frame. Those thugs are dead. Then roseanne's husband can feast on their corpses.
 
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