Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice (March 24th, 2016)

[batfan08]

"Darkness", in healthy doses, is good. It helps differentiate it from Marvel's more optimistic tone. But when you hammer it down with Jesus imagery, Luthor talking about God, Angels and Demons in every sentence and opening with lines such as "it's a beautiful lie", then you cross over to "2deep4u" territory.

I don't really see how it was deep. It was thoughtful, but I don't think anybody'd need a Masters in Religious Studies to pick up on those overtones. I do think there was a lot of subtlety to the movie that people missed, though (myself included). I saw it again Thursday before I saw Civil War, and one of the things that caught me off guard was how much of a role media bias played in instigating the conflict between Batman and Superman. The movie's filled with talking heads on TV screens debating the morality of Superman, and whether or not he's doing more harm than good, and you just see that same look on Cavill's face in each scene where he's watching. It's somewhere between "absolutely disgusted" and the sheepish look a dog gives you when you see it pooping, and he's clearly very disheartened by all of this hoopla when all he is is just a guy trying to do the right thing.

Then you see the flipside of that, where Clark Kent is trying to do actual reporting on a murderous vigilante who has, essentially, turned Gotham City into his own police state, where he acts as judge, jury, and executioner, and Perry cuts him off at the knees and basically tells him "nobody gives a **** what Batman's doing, even though they won't stop being overly critical of you."

Lex Luthor is just a master manipulator, though, and it's almost too subtle. I didn't catch that he sent the little "packet" to Clark with the photos of the trafficker Batman branded and the attached newspaper clipping. The interesting thing is that it all destroys Superman, in the end, when it comes to the potential outcomes. If Superman loses, he dies, but, if he wins, he destroys the image of "protector" that people have come to associate with him, and I love that Lex Luthor literally explains that the whole reason he hates Superman is because his existence diminishes his own sense of self-worth, and that he's pissed off because his dad beat him as a kid. Senator Finch was on the money, when she refused his import license, because she could see right through his ******** and tell that, at the end of the day, all this was was an ego trip for a little man.

Seeing it a second time, though, I have to say that I truly loved it, and I'm actually pretty sad that it was received so poorly.

 

[Victοr]

I don't really see how it was deep. It was thoughtful, but I don't think anybody'd need an MBA in Religious Studies to pick up on those overtones. I do think there was a lot of subtlety to the movie that people missed, though (myself included). I saw it again Thursday before I saw Civil War, and one of the things that caught me off guard was how much of a role media bias played in instigating the conflict between Batman and Superman. The movie's filled with talking heads on TV screens debating the morality of Superman, and whether or not he's doing more harm than good, and you just see that same look on Cavill's face in each scene where he's watching. It's somewhere between "absolutely disgusted" and the sheepish look a dog gives you when you see it pooping, and he's clearly very disheartened by all of this hoopla when all he is is just a guy trying to do the right thing.

Then you see the flipside of that, where Clark Kent is trying to do actual reporting on a murderous vigilante who has, essentially, turned Gotham City into his own police state, where he acts as judge, jury, and executioner, and Perry cuts him off at the knees and basically tells him "nobody gives a **** what Batman's doing, even though they won't stop being overly critical of you."

Lex Luthor is just a master manipulator, though, and it's almost too subtle. I didn't catch that he sent the little "packet" to Clark with the photos of the trafficker Batman branded and the attached newspaper clipping. The interesting thing is that it all destroys Superman, in the end, when it comes to the potential outcomes. If Superman loses, he dies, but, if he wins, he destroys the image of "protector" that people have come to associate with him, and I love that Lex Luthor literally explains that the whole reason he hates Superman is because his existence diminishes his own sense of self-worth, and that he's pissed off because his dad beat him as a kid. Senator Finch was on the money, when she refused his import license, because she could see right through his ******** and tell that, at the end of the day, all this was was an ego trip for a little man.

Seeing it a second time, though, I have to say that I truly loved it, and I'm actually pretty sad that it was received so poorly.

The movie was trying to be "deep", I never said that it succeeded in doing so... Personally, I didn't like the hamfisted messages, the overtones, the constant religious imagery, Luthor's ramblings, they just didn't sit well with me. Dunno, some of my resentment towards it stem from my total apathy towards Snyder. He's easily one of the worst people to talk in front of the cameras, and that's rubbing me the wrong way. Most play the "our movie is different" angle, in all camps, but he takes it many steps further. He acts as if his movies are sociopolitical dramas and that they transcend the medium. I'm sorry, but that's not the case. For me at least.

Now, my personal feelings towards Hack Snyder aside, I do congratulate it for trying to do something different. It's just that Hack Snyder ain't a talented enough director to handle such themes and imagery. He revels in his Jesus Iconography, when it should've been more subtle. I like the shot of Cav-Ell in sky, but after a while, it makes you wonder what he's doing up there all this time. It's as if he's thinking "eh, I can handle the flood, I better strike a pose in case a photographer is around here".

Either way, more power to those who like it, but, honestly, I really hope Affleck tells Hack to "ARGO **** YOURSELF" and sends him on his merry way, so that the DCEU can be actually enjoyable. His action sequences are good, but I prefer a well crafted story to great CGI work. It's not like he's making The Raid, he just has a knack for cool visuals.

 

[jye4ever]

Sounds they'll about even. But whatever opening night is opening night. With all the hate bvs got its impressive


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There's some truth to that, almost 900 million for the 1st movie in history to receive a - RT score is pretty impressive if you ask me.

Hell, the opening weekend will only fall short of CW by 20-30 million, not bad for a movie that even IGN hated, they like everything.

 

[bboy]

Bvs had hate before the reviews ever came out


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[YoNoSe]

Bvs had hate before the reviews ever came out


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Isn't that every movie?

The Cap TFA thread for 6 months before release was:

No Swastikas FAILLLLLLZ!

ZOMG LASERS!

They should have filmed it like Saving Private Ryan.

They ruined Captain America already.

 

[bboy]

Idk the bvs stuff was strange. The way every article was worded was strange, and yeah a movie with 20% on rotten tomatoes with this money is impressive to me.


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[Victοr]

Idk the bvs stuff was strange. The way every article was worded was strange, and yeah a movie with 20% on rotten tomatoes with this money is impressive to me.


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The BvS hate was the same hate every other CBM receives, mainly from fanboys. If you want to see real hate, look at GB2016. And besides, Snyder wasn't making things easier. Either way, you're forgeting one important thing: This movie with 20% and 900 ML is titled "BATMAN V SUPERMAN". It's not titled "Bloodshot", "Authority", "Sentry" or "Black Science".

 

[bboy]

Just release this r rated sucker again in the summer and I'll get it to break more records myself [emoji16]


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[kryptonianmutie]

The movie was trying to be "deep", I never said that it succeeded in doing so... Personally, I didn't like the hamfisted messages, the overtones, the constant religious imagery, Luthor's ramblings, they just didn't sit well with me. Dunno, some of my resentment towards it stem from my total apathy towards Snyder. He's easily one of the worst people to talk in front of the cameras, and that's rubbing me the wrong way. Most play the "our movie is different" angle, in all camps, but he takes it many steps further. He acts as if his movies are sociopolitical dramas and that they transcend the medium. I'm sorry, but that's not the case. For me at least.

Now, my personal feelings towards Hack Snyder aside, I do congratulate it for trying to do something different. It's just that Hack Snyder ain't a talented enough director to handle such themes and imagery. He revels in his Jesus Iconography, when it should've been more subtle. I like the shot of Cav-Ell in sky, but after a while, it makes you wonder what he's doing up there all this time. It's as if he's thinking "eh, I can handle the flood, I better strike a pose in case a photographer is around here".

Either way, more power to those who like it, but, honestly, I really hope Affleck tells Hack to "ARGO **** YOURSELF" and sends him on his merry way, so that the DCEU can be actually enjoyable. His action sequences are good, but I prefer a well crafted story to great CGI work. It's not like he's making The Raid, he just has a knack for cool visuals.

"Superficially deep" is how I'd describe BvS. It felt so phony that none of the serious stuff carried any weight for me. I think most people who didn't like the movie had the same reaction. For those who did like the movie, Snyder and company achieved their goal of selling this as a believable world.

 

[bboy]

All this "deep" stuff went right over my head ... I just thought lex Luthor got batman and superman to fight each other and inadvertently made the justice league


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[IrishJedi]

More ******** click bait from Faraci and BMD. Zack and Ben are buds and Ben becoming part of the creative team and a producer was part of his original deal.

All of these movie blog dorks live like 2 miles from the studios and don't know jack ****.

 

[EVILFACE]

It's always Batman Batman Batman.

Poor Henry Cavill. Can't Produce, Can't Write, Can't Direct and really isn't all that good at acting, but looks good in the suit.

 

[Darkseed]

Poor Henry Cavill but he looks good in the suit.

Until he goes bald.....his hairline is far worse then mine and I'm quite a bit older then him

 

[Victοr]

Until he goes bald.....his hairline is far worse then mine and I'm quite a bit older then him

Well, at least he's dating a 19 YO and has buttloads of cash, so he's got that going for him, which is nice... I guess...

 

[jye4ever]

It's always Batman Batman Batman.

Poor Henry Cavill. Can't Produce, Can't Write, Can't Direct and really isn't all that good at acting, but looks good in the suit.

Young fools... Only now, at the end, do they understand...the significance of Superman the Movie.

 

[Darkseed]

Well, at least he's dating a 19 YO and has buttloads of cash, so he's got that going for him, which is nice... I guess...

there is that.....go big or go home HC

 

[Johnny Utah]

Irish - the extras for the blu were leaked this week, any idea if Zack has done a commentary?

 

[ZombieRepublican]

Well, at least he's dating a 19 YO and has buttloads of cash, so he's got that going for him, which is nice... I guess...

I'm sure he'll look like an Oscar statue when he eventually does too lolol

 

[chewblacca]

I saw Man from uncle last week. He was ok in that movie. He was James Bond, and Danny Ocean mixed together.

 

[Prime Clone]

Box-office-wise, BvS had one of the biggest openings ever but also one of the worst second-weekend drop-offs ever, so CW should overtake it easily. I'm still in the (tiny) minority that prefers BvS though.

Like someone else said, Amazing Spider-Man 2 also made a decent amount of money. But look how that ended.

Only reason it didn't continue was they found a way to get Spidey into the MCU. I'm still bummed we won't be getting a Sinister Six or ASM3.