Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice (March 24th, 2016)

[IrishJedi]

Eh, poor choice of words, but he ain't exactly a cheerful guy. You can see from other DC associated folks that they're happy about what they're doing and trying to do their best. They hype their movies, which is perfectly normal, not by attacking the competition, but by trying to be better. And here comes Snyder who always, always, has to diss something else to make his product look good. That, in my book at least, makes him a poor spokesperson, and an irritating hypocrite, at least as far as interviews go.

That's really not true, though. In reality he's one of the most positive, happy-go-lucky people.

You're a smart guy, and I bet usually rational about this stuff. So let me explain how this goes down (because I've witnessed it first-hand several times):

Someone interviews Zack, and almost always baits him at some point with a line of questioning comparing DC to Marvel (or some other "controversial" topic). Every time I've seen/heard this happen (which is at least 5-6) he's been VERY respectful and complimentary towards Marvel and even admits he enjoys the MCU films, but often will also say something that can then be taken and used (completely out of context) to make it sounds like he's bagging on them. The ANT-MAN quote is a great example. He spent about 5 minutes talking about how excited he originally was that Edgar Wright was doing the movie and how much he loved the test footage... yet all of that is left out and the one little quip about how Ant-Man isn't a major character is what gets in and is focused on.

Another is that, "If we're not lucky we're going to get a CAPTAIN AMERICA movie" quote... in which case he was referring to the 60's cartoon and concern that a studio might think THAT is what audiences wanted to see. And he also mentioned that if they were to do a Cap film, the WW2 element would be crucial and he hopes that they would do it that way. But of course you don't even remotely get that context, which puts the quote in a MUCH different light, doesn't it?

It's a great lesson for how things can be manipulated. And these media outlets and blogs play it to full tilt, because they know it gets people riled up, and generates hits, traffic, etc.

Part of this IS Zack's fault, because he just speaks off the cuff and stream of consciousness and frankly isn't as sensitive as others to what the interviewer is really fishing/hoping for. He's often way too generous with these people.

Just take these quotes with a pound of salt. Trust me. They'll highlight the stuff that seems even remotely inflammatory, often in betrayal of how the conversation really went down.

Zack isn't alone in this. It's all over the place (really horrible when it comes to Politics, of course). The media doesn't sell news or fact anymore... it sells entertainment and pushes narratives. It's literally gotten to the point where I can't even trust reading an interview that I was actually at when it was recorded! Amazing.

Anyway, "they" (media, bloggers, etc) get off on this DC vs Marvel fanboy stuff. And they absolutely take every opportunity to inflame it. Just try not to fall for it.

It'll happen again, though. No matter how many times we warn Zack to just avoid certain topics entirely or can say "I told you so" when one of these articles gets published. He just shrugs it off and goes about his business. Which I suppose is both a blessing and a curse.

 

[Victοr]

That's really not true, though. In reality he's one of the most positive, happy-go-lucky people.

You're a smart guy, and I bet usually rational about this stuff. So let me explain how this goes down (because I've witnessed it first-hand several times):

Someone interviews Zack, and almost always baits him at some point with a line of questioning comparing DC to Marvel (or some other "controversial" topic). Every time I've seen/heard this happen (which is at least 5-6) he's been VERY respectful and complimentary towards Marvel and even admits he enjoys the MCU films, but often will also say something that can then be taken and used (completely out of context) to make it sounds like he's bagging on them. The ANT-MAN quote is a great example. He spent about 5 minutes talking about how excited he originally was that Edgar Wright was doing the movie and how much he loved the test footage... yet all of that is left out and the one little quip about how Ant-Man isn't a major character is what gets in and is focused on.

Another is that, "If we're not lucky we're going to get a CAPTAIN AMERICA movie" quote... in which case he was referring to the 60's cartoon and concern that a studio might think THAT is what audiences wanted to see. And he also mentioned that if they were to do a Cap film, the WW2 element would be crucial and he hopes that they would do it that way. But of course you don't even remotely get that context, which puts the quote in a MUCH different light.

It's a great lesson for how things can be manipulated. And these media outlets and blogs play it to full tilt, because they know it gets people riled up, and generates hits, traffic, etc.

Part of this IS Zack's fault, because he just speaks off the cuff and stream of consciousness and frankly isn't as sensitive as others to what the interviewer is really fishing/hoping for. He's often way too generous to these people.

Just take these quotes with a pound of salt. Trust me. They'll highlight the stuff that seems even remotely inflammatory, often in betrayal of how the conversation really went down.

Zack isn't alone in this. It's all over the place (really horrible when it comes to Politics, of course). The media doesn't sell news or fact anymore... it sells entertainment and pushes narratives. It's literally gotten to the point where I can't even trust reading an interview that I was actually at when it was recorded. Amazing.

Anyway, "they" (media, bloggers, etc) get off on this DC vs Marvel fanboy stuff. And they absolutely take every opportunity to inflame it. Just try not to fall for it.

It'll happen again, though. No matter how many times we warn Zack to just avoid certain topics entirely or can say "I told you so" when one of these articles gets published. He just shrugs it off and goes about his business. Which I suppose is both a blessing and a curse.

Thing is, for a person with such "power" and responsibillity in his hands, he's not handling it well. All actors are baited, some take it, some don't. But the majority manages to stay neutrual. Look at Feige on Deadpool, or Cavill and Evans. They're respectful, they compliment each other and move on. The Ant-Man thing is true, sure, but the way he said it was condescending.

The whole '08 interview was a mess though. He spent the majority of it talking about how regular comics were never his jam, how he wanted sex and death in his books, how a movie ain't "dark" unless it's got rape in it, etc, etc. I don't see any other way to interpret these things other than take them at face value. That's all valid, it's his opinion, but it's hypocritical to come out now and say how much he loves Batman and Superman and Wonder Woman, when he was trashing them and their ilk a couple of years back. It doesn't jive is what I'm saying.

Look, this ain't an attack on his person. Nobody really is crazy enough to attack somebody just because they say some stupid ****. Unless he goes around killing hookers, he's just a regular guy. But the point is, he does get carried away, and he does say some stupid ****, very often.

Do I believe that he's an untalented hack like Uwe Bowl (or whatever that ****'s name is). Of course not. Do I believe that he's a bad person? Nope. But do I really dislike his public persona? Of that I'm guilty, I'll admit. Maybe he should get a coach, or try to be more focused when he's talking. But he does have a legitimate problem with interviews.

 

[karamazov80]

Someone should give Zach a lesson in being interviewed. He does come off like a **** quite a bit.

I'm more concerned with how clueless he seems to be with so much of what he's tasked with bringing to the screen. But eh. I've made my peace with his being where he is at WB with these movies.

 

[IrishJedi]

I'm more concerned with how clueless he seems to be with so much of what he's tasked with bringing to the screen. But eh. I've made my peace with his being where he is at WB with these movies.

You sure about that?

 

[IrishJedi]

Also, consider that Zack is the one who takes ALL of the arrows (without complaint) despite some things actually not being by his hand and folks might start to understand why he is where he is at WB. Sometimes loyalty can actually matter. Even in Hollyweird. And despite his quirks, at the end of the day he is a pretty good soldier who just wants to make art and movies, and WB at least respects that. It's rare these days, too.

I know that's what I personally respect most about him. He doesn't throw people under the bus (even when he himself is bring run over by one ).

 

[karamazov80]

You sure about that?

 

[IrishJedi]

It's all good.

 

[GeneralZodLives]

I'm more concerned with how clueless he seems to be with so much of what he's tasked with bringing to the screen. But eh. I've made my peace with his being where he is at WB with these movies.

I envy you. He is the epitome of a style over substance director and I want more out of these movies than just a bunch of comic book splash pages. I can't get my hopes up for any DC films that involve Snyder. I'm sure he's a great guy when you get to know him, but that has zero bearing on what he puts on the screen.

 

[EVILFACE]

That flick is awesome!

 

[karamazov80]

I envy you. He is the epitome of a style over substance director and I want more out of these movies than just a bunch of comic book splash pages. I can't get my hopes up for any DC films that involve Snyder. I'm sure he's a great guy when you get to know him, but that has zero bearing on what he puts on the screen.

He's not my cup of tea, but I've ranted and raved about as much as I possibly can with his last two outings I'm gonna make a concerted effort to just roll with whatever we get from here on out. It's not like my comments are going to make one lick of difference, anyway.

Besides, with the lukewarm reaction to the new X-Men movie, I've got much more important things to worry about! That has been my favorite comic franchise.

It's all good.

If Snyder's success means that you can keep getting some work with these movies, then I do hope he keeps on making them. Just maybe not the marquee DC movies

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

That's really not true, though. In reality he's one of the most positive, happy-go-lucky people.

Sure he is...

Nobody really is crazy enough to attack somebody just because they say some stupid ****. Unless he goes around killing hookers, he's just a regular guy.

Doesn't everyone..once in a while?

 

[Victοr]

Doesn't everyone..once in a while?

You mean in GTA, right? RIGHT?! Eh, what's the point anyway? Godspeed you magnificent, hooker killing bastard, godspeed...

 

[GasparZizou]

GTA counts.

Get hooker, get the succ, kill hooker, get $$$ back >>> free succ.

 

[a-dev]

He's not my cup of tea, but I've ranted and raved about as much as I possibly can with his last two outings I'm gonna make a concerted effort to just roll with whatever we get from here on out. It's not like my comments are going to make one lick of difference, anyway.

Feels kinda pointless now dunnit? What's done is done and it's all happening despite us.

 

[Victοr]

GTA counts.

Get hooker, get the succ, kill hooker, get $$$ back >>> free succ.

Step 1) Get Hooker.
Step 2) Get Sex.
Step 3) Kill Hooker.
Step 4) ???
Step 5) Profit!

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

Step 1) Get Hooker.
Step 2) Get Sex.
Step 3) Kill Hooker.
Step 4) ???
Step 5) Profit!

Step 4 is dancing naked in front of a camera while wearing the hooker's hair like a wig....um...in the game. Anyway, how about that 3 hour cut coming out soon?

 

[jye4ever]

Hmmm

I think its time for a "I Come in Peace" v "The Hidden" competition.

 

[Victοr]

Step 4 is dancing naked in front of a camera while wearing the hooker's hair like a wig....um...in the game.

 

[crows]

That's really not true, though. In reality he's one of the most positive, happy-go-lucky people.

You're a smart guy, and I bet usually rational about this stuff. So let me explain how this goes down (because I've witnessed it first-hand several times):

Someone interviews Zack, and almost always baits him at some point
Every time I've seen/heard this happen (which is at least 5-6) he's been VERY respectful and complimentary but often will also say something that can then be taken and used (completely out of context) to make it sounds like he's bagging on them.

It's a great lesson for how things can be manipulated. And these media outlets and blogs play it to full tilt, because they know it gets people riled up, and generates hits, traffic, etc.

Part of this IS Zack's fault, because he just speaks off the cuff and stream of consciousness and frankly isn't as sensitive as others to what the interviewer is really fishing/hoping for. He's often way too generous with these people.

Just take these quotes with a pound of salt. Trust me. They'll highlight the stuff that seems even remotely inflammatory, often in betrayal of how And they absolutely take every opportunity to inflame it. Just try not to fall for it.

It'll happen again, though. No matter how many times we warn Zack to just avoid certain topics entirely or can say "I told you so" when one of these articles gets published. He just shrugs it off and goes about his business. Which I suppose is both a blessing and a curse.

This post, word by word can also apply to this person lol

 

[DiFabio]

All the Batman movie directors have been weirdos when I think about it.