Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice (March 24th, 2016)

[YoNoSe]

I definitely have a greater appreciation of the movie after watching the Ultimate Edition. Part of it is the benefit of knowing what to expect. Some of it is giving the story a little more room to breathe.

Random thoughts (may not be 100% accurate on the changes since I only saw it once in the theater and once at home in the Extended cut):

Seemed to address Batman's murderous tendencies better. Alfred seemed to have more disdain towards it which I appreciated.
Added scene of Superman saving some people after the bombing? I may be misremembering but it made that scene more palatable.
Eisenberg - I don't know if there's more footage of him or the same amount but I found his Luthor even less interesting this time. Just a terrible choice for the character and a cringeworthy, awfully forced performance.
I still don't understand how mixing human DNA with Kryptonian made Doomsday stronger than a Kryptonian.
It's always nice to see Jena Malone but not much of a part.
Naming Jimmy Olsen made it worse.
Email of Justice still terrible.
Knightmare sequence + Flash wack-a-mole appearance is still confusing even now that I know why it's there.
The Martha scene is such a great idea handled so poorly. Line delivery reminds me of every superhero parody of people yelling "must...break free..."
Affleck ass. I guess just throw it on the dildo-prison pile of Zatch Snyder pseudo-gay iconography.
Inviso-nipples were less obvious. Did they re-cut that scene?
Does no one in Gotham wonder why Bruce Wayne lives in a condemned building?
Warehouse Bat-fight was easier to follow and cooler on my TV.
I read a critic complain that when Clark sees a person in trouble on tv he seems annoyed to have to save them but I felt the opposite. I forget the specifics but he's in the middle of doing something and abandons it to go save the (little girl?) person. I thought that was cool and very Superman-y.
The sink is still beyond dumb when you're wearing the Mark 1 Iron Man suit.

I felt like if I ignored the narrative and followed it as a more impressionistic, dream-like visual story it worked better. But at the same time, there's too much convoluted narrative to ignore.
I still recommend people see it. It's interesting. I'll watch it again. But interesting isn't necessarily good (or bad).

 

[Ropen]

So now, there's Facebook groups apologizing to Snyder and groups hating on the suits for the BvS masterpiece it turned out to be I guess, crazy how a lot of people have changed their opinion of this movie...


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[jye4ever]

Oh yeah, lol @ Affleck's ass.

Gratuitous in every sense of the word.

The senator urine death scene is so great that it elevates Luthor for me.

 

[batfan08]

My biggest issue is that Miss Piggy sigh Luthor does every time he's trying to be condescending.

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

The RT score is still at 27% and 66%. I wonder when we'll see the effects of the UE?

 

[jye4ever]

BvS theatrical simply does not deserve that 27%.

It just doesn't.

 

[YoNoSe]

I don't know what it deserves, but certainly "rotten." If enough critics felt that way I don't see why 27% is worse than 50%. It fails pretty hard as a story. The characters are unsympathetic, the story is convoluted, the resolution is trite, the post-final-battle-battle is tacked on, both villains are laughable and the tone funereal.

Oh, one more thing I liked - I felt more differentiation between Metropolis and Gotham. Gotham seemed like more of a ****hole in the Extended cut. Still not a fan of them being across the river from each other (yeah, I know that's been the casein some comics).

 

[batfan08]

I'm just curious how Rotten Tomatoes works. Will they just add these positive reviews for the UE to the existing reviews, or will it be a separate listing? I thought there were, like, a few different Blade Runner listings on there, so, I don't see why that couldn't be the case here.

 

[GasparZizou]

I don't think the UE reviews will affect the RT score.

And the score would be the same had they released the UE theatrically anyway, that little number """critics""" pulled on this movie had nothing to do with the movie itself.

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

Still not a fan of them being across the river from each other (yeah, I know that's been the casein some comics).

At least Clark Kent is not 35 years old, eating a steady diet of government cheese, thrice divorced, and living in a van down by the river.

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

that little number """critics""" pulled on this movie had nothing to do with the movie itself.

There was hate long before the movie was seen by critics...that's true. However, the hate and the negative reviews were justified and well deserved after all.

Spoiler

Deep down you know it

 

[GasparZizou]

However, the hate and the negative reviews were justified and well deserved after all.

Nope. It only showed how stupid many viewers are, and how loud that stupidity is when validated by leaders of opinion.

 

[YoNoSe]

There's nothing stupid about liking or disliking the movie. Resorting to that kind of characterization just makes it easier to dismiss your opinion. You can do better.

 

[GasparZizou]

I'm not talking about liking or disliking. I can respect someone not liking these movies because of the approach to these characters, even I'm ambivalent about much of it myself.

Motivations, Luthor plan makes no sense, that other thing doesn't make any sense, bad writing etc etc... hearing all this makes me question the perspicacity of people, which is why I rarely discuss this movie anymore.

Feel free to discard my opinion, I've discarded most of this thread

 

[cerealkeller]

Well, I gave in to temptation and bought the extended digital, I couldn't wait until 7/19.

I liked the theatrical BUT I now love the extended!

Those extra bits, 30 minutes worth (that's actually quite alot when it comes to cinema) really gave the movie some much needed breathing room.

The extra action bits are always welcomed but so was everything else they added

Sure one could argue what was the point of Luthor's public relations mystery scheme against Superman when we the audience were already aware going in that Luthor is the villain behind it all.

I get people thinking that this plot element is a waste of time in both its truncated theatrical form and in its expanded form.

No matter how well his scheme is now fleshed out and explained, it can still be considered a waste of time.

But that doesn't bother me one bit, I love this....well....dumb dopey movie!

Oh, they addressed one of the major complaints by now showing

Spoiler

Superman saving one person after the Congress blast so one can assume he had a hand in saving many others that were seen nearby with EMS in the triage area

For me it was much easier sitting thru 3 hours of BvS than it is the 2 hours and 25 minutes of MOS.

I agree with all of this. I watched a bootleg version and found the film to actually be engrossing now where in the theatrical version I really didn't care about much of what was happening. I really feel all the little stuff added in helped to give weight to almost everything that happened. I will be buying this when the bluray comes out.


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[Jameson Rook]

That kind of depends on what you didn't like about it. If you thought it was poorly edited and incoherent, then I'd say you'd probably like this one better. If you hated the tone, with a doubtful Superman and a Batman who lost his way, I'm not sure. I would recommend giving it a chance, though, as it's a far superior cut of the film and may leave you pleasantly surprised.

Oh thanks buddy! I guess my main complaints were that I didn't like was the grandiose tone of the movie, and that they shoehorned in TDKR and Death of Superman without any real weight just so that they're all set for a Justice League movie and feels it tries to be dark and gritty just because. I heard that the new cut has Jimmy Olsen introducing himself before getting shot, which sound even more worse.

Classy.

That I am.

 

[RIDDICK]

spat on the poster leaving the theater.

 

[a-dev]

I saw it and it didn't change my mind. I've seen people say it's better paced - disagree. The new stuff slowed the film to a crawl IMO and it just piled on the ''god'' crap to a point of being way overbearing. I wondered could I be swayed but apparently not. I quite simply don't like the film and DC's whole approach to Superman and the shared universe. Oh well.

 

[EVILFACE]

a-d, you need to swap out arnold for grumpy cat.

 

[jye4ever]

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