Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice (March 24th, 2016)

[Prime Clone]

Once again, well said. Did we just become best friends? Hehe

 

[Khev]

Admittedly I'm not a screenwriter but if you seriously think the Martha exchange is anything less than cringeworthy...

I didn't cringe. Thought it was a well done and well placed scene. And if you didn't like it or thought it was over-acted or whatever then fine but the supposition that Bruce Wayne would instantly become BFF's with any opponent with a mom named Martha is sillier than anything that appeared in the movie.

 

[batfan08]

Once again, well said. Did we just become best friends? Hehe

 

[jye4ever]

khev and batfan brought their A game to the Martha scene, well done.

I never understood what broke his face armor though and how it was strong enough to break armor but not tear his face apart, wut!?

 

[batfan08]

khev and batfan brought their A game to the Martha scene, well done.

I never understood what broke his face armor though and how it was strong enough to break armor but not tear his face apart, wut!?

It was when Superman hit him as he got blasted with Kryptonite gas the second time. I think it was just the angle he hit him at, or, perhaps, that they just thought it would look cool. I'm going with the latter.

 

[Khev]

I did like how the extra scene with the one mother outside the police station set up Clark's belief that to get through to Bruce you must overcome him with physical force. In the theatrical cut it seemed strange that Superman would just start knocking Batman around on the rooftop but it makes more sense in the Ultimate Cut. Time was of the essence, he did try to appeal to Bruce verbally but was hit with the sonic and machine gun attacks and basically said "okay fine, I'll put you down physically and THEN we'll talk, just like the lady said."

This was the first time watching BvS since viewing CW and I do admit that Luthor does seem a bit lamer in comparison to Zemo but the whole sequence in the Capitol was just fantastic.

 

[jye4ever]

The Martha scene never bothered me but what did is that I was never fully convinced that this Batman had mileage on him.

There needed one more pivotal scene other than the weeds analogy-robin costume to really establish him as a man under turmoil.

 

[Khev]

The Martha scene never bothered me but what did is that I was never fully convinced that this Batman had mileage on him.

There needed one more pivotal scene other than the weeds analogy-robin costume to really establish him as a man under turmoil.

Yeah if only they had like one of his own buildings collapse in front of him, people dying all around him, kids getting orphaned before his eyes, etc.

 

[jye4ever]

He did have dedicated employees i'll give him that.

But wasn't he already a man consumed by darkness by the time his building went crumbling down, he had been Batman for quite sometime already.

There wasn't enough presented to show how he got there before Superman's fight with Zod.

He was like the New Republic in Force Awakens, years were just glossed over.

 

[Khev]

Oh you wanted more info on why he was close to cracking BEFORE Metropolis was destroyed? I guess that didn't bother me. He was grey and looked tired, his little buddy was dead, worked for me, I didn't need to see anymore. I figured most of his backsliding came in the 18 months since his building collapsed anyway. The Robin stuff just sealed the deal.

 

[kryptonianmutie]

Jeezy Creezy.

God bless them if that's how they see it. There all Lex Luthor and the Martha scene is a chewing gum wrapper.

And that's exactly my point. The "meme" crowd is "completely ignoring circumstances, motivations and subsequent end result of the rattling moment in the scene" with regard to the Martha moment so why isn't anyone doing the same for Cap? Where are all the memes of various Cap villains saying Bucky and ending every fight like what we're seeing with Batman supposedly befriending everyone with a mom named Martha? The point is you can make any scene seem stupid if you mischaracterize it.

Just from a pure comedy perspective the Martha "revelation" lends itself to being made fun of. Mother…Mutha…Martha! Eureka! But brush that aside, the Martha thing took on a life of its own because it comes across as a dumb moment to people who didn't care for the movie. You guys who are making it out to be a Shakespearian moment just added fuel to the fire. I'm not saying they're all funny memes. The only one I've ever found to be humorous was the "did we just become best friends" meme because that's exactly how the movie plays it. You got Batman with such a raging hard on to see Superman as a corpse that he comes off like Ice T in New Jack CityView attachment 281190
There's so much build up to this pivotal moment of a movie where the two opponents names are even fighting in the title of the film. None of this exists in the new Cap movie. There's no huge build up there because it's in the first 10 minutes or so. Cap doesn't have this uber bloodlust for Crossbones that is subsided by the muttering of a shared maternal name. Cap gets distracted, as was intended and is almost killed, and innocent civilians end up getting killed because of his distraction. And then they'd a follow up scene with Wanda where Cap actually has time in the movie to discuss what just happened instead of going off to the next big action scene. I know bats had to save Ma Kent but if they didn't have the stupid Doomsday fight then Clark and Bruce could've had an actual real moment. I think, to your point though, that you chose the wrong movie to compare as meme worthy. The scene where Bucky is revealed to be Winter Soldier during his fight with Cap is much more memeable(?). Just think about all the different faces you could slap onto Bucky's.

And, I'm sure there's more I had in mind when i started this post but it had since escaped me so I'll just end it by saying nobody is stopping you from coming up with your own. I'm sure those in the choir have the skills to do it so maybe they should get to it.

 

[LIBBY1957DOG]

The Martha jokes are funny but I just wonder if people even realize that they're all based on misinterpreting the scene. It was a viable moment that would have rattled Bruce. There's just no denying that. Where are all the memes ripping on Cap for pausing when Crossbones mentioned Bucky? Another viable moment but people just have to dog pile onto BvS.

yeah with you 100% personally i don't get the hate over the martha scene, to me its about batman realizing he's not that much different than superman and how far he's fallen from his original intent . And its batmans chance to do what he couldn't for his own mother. Redemption to some extent ,but im not that bent out of shape about the piss taking but your right about the cap stuff ,it should be case of whats "sauce for the goose" but seems folks are selective about what they take the piss out of and somethings are off limits

 

[batfan08]

I'll be completely honest: I enjoy Martha memes as much as the next guy, and a lot of them are funny as hell. What gets me is when people dismiss the moment as nothing more than a joke when there's very clearly a lot of subtext and thought put into it.

 

[JacktheRipper]

As far as to why this is getting ridiculed more than Cap and Bucky is because this is Bats and Superman. In the grand scheme of make believe world B&S >C&B.

 

[Khev]

yeah with you 100% personally i don't get the hate over the martha scene, to me its about batman realizing he's not that much different than superman and how far he's fallen from his original intent . And its batmans chance to do what he couldn't for his own mother. Redemption to some extent ,but im not that bent out of shape about the piss taking but your right about the cap stuff ,it should be case of whats "sauce for the goose" but seems folks are selective about what they take the piss out of and somethings are off limits

I'll be completely honest: I enjoy Martha memes as much as the next guy, and a lot of them are funny as hell. What gets me is when people dismiss the moment as nothing more than a joke when there's very clearly a lot of subtext and thought put into it.

Yep I've done my fair share of laughing at the memes and things too, joking about WW's emails and all that. But they've taken on *such* a life of their own I really do get the impression that a lot of people aren't realizing that the scene actually didn't play out the way that the jokes say it did.

And obviously CW >>>>>>>>> BvS but man has BvS been unfairly criticized.

 

[Prime Clone]

I didn't cringe. Thought it was a well done and well placed scene. And if you didn't like it or thought it was over-acted or whatever then fine but the supposition that Bruce Wayne would instantly become BFF's with any opponent with a mom named Martha is sillier than anything that appeared in the movie.

I'm sure those are all just being played for exaggerated humorous effect. But yes, the whole Martha meme hinges on ignoring the very real significance of the scene.

The Martha scene never bothered me but what did is that I was never fully convinced that this Batman had mileage on him.

There needed one more pivotal scene other than the weeds analogy-robin costume to really establish him as a man under turmoil.

That's why a Bats prequel film is a must. And it'll need to be watched before BvS.

While I love BvS and rate it above CW, I acknowledge it was a rush job to play catchup with the MCU.

 

[Adolfo]

STB and BvS > CW and SWTFA

 

[Devil_666]

What's "STB"?

 

[Prime Clone]

Star Trek Beyond?

 

[YoNoSe]

What's "STB"?

Snyder-Terrio-Batfleck disorder. It's like hibernation sickness but the blindness is willful.