Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice (March 24th, 2016)

[guyverfan]

After watching the Ultimate Edition I feel it did flesh out a lot of the stories and made it a better movie overall. Some of the problems still persist but I felt were much more tolerable. Two things that still bother me are:

1. it was interesting that they included the bomb within the wheelchair was concealed within lead casing but how the hell would Lex have possibly known that Superman can't see through lead?

2. at the end when Batman confronts Lex in the cell and he just about literally says "I know you're Bruce Wayne" but that nobody would believe him because he was insane. I felt this was a really bad decision because it essentially means Lex can never be the prominent businessman while being the villain behind the scenes in this movie universe now. If he's ever featured again he could only be shown as an insane villain. He basically knows the identities of the existing and future heroes so if it was proven that he wasn't insane he could out every one of them....hell even if it was insane ranting if he rattled off enough names someone would be bound to at least check into the claims.

 

[Mr. Green]

The Ultimate Edition should've been in theaters in the first place. Cause like children needs hand holding, hehehehahhahahahaha. Now if Mr. Green is green enough to spend the $$$ to buy a 3D tv and the software to watch it in 3D. Oh such is life.

 

[MikeyTheKid]

I'll be completely honest: I enjoy Martha memes as much as the next guy, and a lot of them are funny as hell. What gets me is when people dismiss the moment as nothing more than a joke when there's very clearly a lot of subtext and thought put into it.

Ya people think he stopped because their mothers share the name. And not for showing Superman is not an alien and can love humans and be a human himself.

 

[batfan08]

After watching the Ultimate Edition I feel it did flesh out a lot of the stories and made it a better movie overall. Some of the problems still persist but I felt were much more tolerable. Two things that still bother me are:

1. it was interesting that they included the bomb within the wheelchair was concealed within lead casing but how the hell would Lex have possibly known that Superman can't see through lead?

2. at the end when Batman confronts Lex in the cell and he just about literally says "I know you're Bruce Wayne" but that nobody would believe him because he was insane. I felt this was a really bad decision because it essentially means Lex can never be the prominent businessman while being the villain behind the scenes in this movie universe now. If he's ever featured again he could only be shown as an insane villain. He basically knows the identities of the existing and future heroes so if it was proven that he wasn't insane he could out every one of them....hell even if it was insane ranting if he rattled off enough names someone would be bound to at least check into the claims.

I feel like the lead lined briefcase is definitely a hole, considering we didn't really see this Superman use his X-Ray vision outside of the flashback when he was a child, but I feel like, considering everything else Lex Luthor knows about him, it wouldn't be too much of a jump to consider he studied his powers, as well. It's definitely a plot hole, but I feel like it is far less egregious than "why didn't Superman do anything to stop the bombing," so, in that sense, it seems to be the lesser of two evils.

As per the second part, I'm okay with Lex being a nutball. I said it before and I'll say it again, as "out there" as this interpretation was, it was probably the most accurate Luthor we've ever got on the silver screen. Essentially, the only things the previous two Luthors had was that they were bald and wanted to kill Superman, and I feel like, as weird as it is, this Lex kind of was an amalgam of Luthor throughout the ages. I think where people get thrown off is that they modernized him as a tech billionaire, as opposed to the Rockefeller-esque business magnate and tycoon, but, if you look at his actions, he's still a powerful super-wealthy genius who uses power and influence to assert his will over others. I mean, actions speak louder than words, and look at his actions in this film. He's crafted an elaborate, Machiavellian plot to systematically destroy Superman, both physically and in reputation, he stages international incidents, bribes public officials, murders those he can't bribe, while pinning it on someone else, and, even, succeeding in implicating Superman in the court of public opinion, and psychologically and emotionally manipulates one of the smartest and most dangerous men on the planet into unknowingly doing his bidding. I say an amalgam because it seems like they took that same, manipulative corporate tycoon from the Byrne era onwards and, sort of, combined him with the wildly unhinged mad scientist of the golden and silver ages, with his unhealthy obsession with Superman and his creation of a monster that could destroy the entire world out of his own hubris and hatred.

So, in that regard, I'm okay with us not getting the criminal mastermind hiding behind the guise of a legitimate entrepreneur because, in a sense, we already got it.

 

[Mr. Green]

Man, once WW appear in front of Batman and that WW's music kicks in! Damn.

 

[Prime Clone]

Ya people think he stopped because their mothers share the name. And not for showing Superman is not an alien and can love humans and be a human himself.

Actually that's not it. Or at least, only a small part of it.

 

[MikeyTheKid]

Actually that's not it. Or at least, only a small part of it.

What's the bigger part?

 

[LIBBY1957DOG]

1. it was interesting that they included the bomb within the wheelchair was concealed within lead casing but how the hell would Lex have possibly known that Superman can't see through lead?

not sure about usa court room security procedures ,me being a brit and all ,but could it have been to shield the bomb from the buildings security ,like those x ray machines at the airports that shows folks naked
thinks aloud ...must chase up that job application i applied for

 

[jye4ever]

After watching the Ultimate Edition I feel it did flesh out a lot of the stories and made it a better movie overall. Some of the problems still persist but I felt were much more tolerable. Two things that still bother me are:

1. it was interesting that they included the bomb within the wheelchair was concealed within lead casing but how the hell would Lex have possibly known that Superman can't see through lead?

2. at the end when Batman confronts Lex in the cell and he just about literally says "I know you're Bruce Wayne" but that nobody would believe him because he was insane. I felt this was a really bad decision because it essentially means Lex can never be the prominent businessman while being the villain behind the scenes in this movie universe now. If he's ever featured again he could only be shown as an insane villain. He basically knows the identities of the existing and future heroes so if it was proven that he wasn't insane he could out every one of them....hell even if it was insane ranting if he rattled off enough names someone would be bound to at least check into the claims.

Lex probably learned about Superman's abilities in the kryptonian ship, he had access before the bombing.

I feel like the lead lined briefcase is definitely a hole, considering we didn't really see this Superman use his X-Ray vision outside of the flashback when he was a child, but I feel like, considering everything else Lex Luthor knows about him, it wouldn't be too much of a jump to consider he studied his powers, as well. It's definitely a plot hole, but I feel like it is far less egregious than "why didn't Superman do anything to stop the bombing," so, in that sense, it seems to be the lesser of two evils.

As per the second part, I'm okay with Lex being a nutball. I said it before and I'll say it again, as "out there" as this interpretation was, it was probably the most accurate Luthor we've ever got on the silver screen. Essentially, the only things the previous two Luthors had was that they were bald and wanted to kill Superman, and I feel like, as weird as it is, this Lex kind of was an amalgam of Luthor throughout the ages. I think where people get thrown off is that they modernized him as a tech billionaire, as opposed to the Rockefeller-esque business magnate and tycoon, but, if you look at his actions, he's still a powerful super-wealthy genius who uses power and influence to assert his will over others. I mean, actions speak louder than words, and look at his actions in this film. He's crafted an elaborate, Machiavellian plot to systematically destroy Superman, both physically and in reputation, he stages international incidents, bribes public officials, murders those he can't bribe, while pinning it on someone else, and, even, succeeding in implicating Superman in the court of public opinion, and psychologically and emotionally manipulates one of the smartest and most dangerous men on the planet into unknowingly doing his bidding. I say an amalgam because it seems like they took that same, manipulative corporate tycoon from the Byrne era onwards and, sort of, combined him with the wildly unhinged mad scientist of the golden and silver ages, with his unhealthy obsession with Superman and his creation of a monster that could destroy the entire world out of his own hubris and hatred.

So, in that regard, I'm okay with us not getting the criminal mastermind hiding behind the guise of a legitimate entrepreneur because, in a sense, we already got it.

Great post.

 

[Prime Clone]

What's the bigger part?

As discussed above, it's mainly about Bruce finally burying his demons after a lifetime of fruitless crimefighting. Saving Clark's Martha is the closest he can get to saving his own.

At least that was my takeaway.

 

[MikeyTheKid]

As discussed above, it's mainly about Bruce finally burying his demons after a lifetime of fruitless crimefighting. Saving Clark's Martha is the closest he can get to saving his own.

At least that was my takeaway.

Ya that adds to it.

 

[Khev]

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And then he's all "Oh you made me a sandwich? Thanks!" *Clark disappears and enters the kitchen at lightspeed*

Martha (looking back at the three mile trek back to the farmhouse): "****!"

 

[LexiKon318]

All I see are two sequences where an opponent rattles a hero by simply mentioning someone's first name, both with a totally believable end result. But one gets twisted and mocked and the other doesn't.

I think what makes the situations different is that Rumlow had an actual connection to Bucky. He was actually there when Bucky remembered Cap. That would give him pause because he hasn't had any proof that his friend is still in that warped mind, aside from Bucky pulling him out of the river.

I think that he keeps listening to Rumlow partly because he might say something that could be useful in finding his friend.

I'm not saying the Martha thing is bad but it is different.


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[Khev]

I think what makes the situations different is that Rumlow had an actual connection to Bucky. He was actually there when Bucky remembered Cap. That would give him pause because he hasn't had any proof that his friend is still in that warped mind, aside from Bucky pulling him out of the river.

I'm not saying the Martha thing is bad but it is different.

Like kryptonianmutie you totally missed my point. But it's fine. Moving on.

 

[kryptonianmutie]

Like kryptonianmutie you totally missed my point. But it's fine. Moving on.

Not exactly moving on when you throw in "you totally missed my point". Thought my last response tackled it head on, but whatever.

 

[LexiKon318]

Just talking about the difference between the two scenes which could potentially be why one is mocked and the other isn't ... But whatever indeed.


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[Khev]

Not exactly moving on when you throw in "you totally missed my point".

Yep, totally got you one last time. I actually laughed as I typed it.

But that's what you get for misconstruing what I said.

 

[GasparZizou]

Khev is a subtle but effective baiter.

 

[jye4ever]

And then he's all "Oh you made me a sandwich? Thanks!" *Clark disappears and enters the kitchen at lightspeed*

Martha (looking back at the three mile trek back to the farmhouse): "****!"

 

[kryptonianmutie]

Yep, totally got you one last time. I actually laughed as I typed it.

But that's what you get for misconstruing what I said.

You may not have gotten the answer your wanted, but it's the answer you deserved.

Khev is a subtle but effective baiter.

Are you suggesting he's a master baiter?