Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice (March 24th, 2016)
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Couldn't find the full article but here's some quotes
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“Justice League” was already intended to be less depressing than “Batman v Superman,” but Messrs Berg and Johns worked with Mr. Snyder and screenwriter Chris Terrio to make changes after gauging fan reactions to the superhero fight.
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“We accelerated the story to get to the hope and optimism a little faster,” said Mr. Berg.
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“Justice League” will also directly address Batman’s extreme actions in the last movie, such as torturing criminals and nearly killing the man of steel, rather than accept them as par for the course. And it’s expected to have fewer of Mr. Snyder’s controversial flourishes, like the dream sequences in “Batman v Superman,” in favor of focusing more tightly on the plot, people close to the picture said.
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Plans to make “Justice League” a multipart story that would continue in a 2019 sequel also were abandoned.
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“We’re trying to take a really hard look at everything to make sure we stay true to the characters and tell stories that celebrate them,” he said.
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“Justice League” was already intended to be less depressing than “Batman v Superman,” but Messrs Berg and Johns worked with Mr. Snyder and screenwriter Chris Terrio to make changes after gauging fan reactions to the superhero fight.
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“We accelerated the story to get to the hope and optimism a little faster,” said Mr. Berg.
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“Justice League” will also directly address Batman’s extreme actions in the last movie, such as torturing criminals and nearly killing the man of steel, rather than accept them as par for the course. And it’s expected to have fewer of Mr. Snyder’s controversial flourishes, like the dream sequences in “Batman v Superman,” in favor of focusing more tightly on the plot, people close to the picture said.
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Plans to make “Justice League” a multipart story that would continue in a 2019 sequel also were abandoned.
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“We’re trying to take a really hard look at everything to make sure we stay true to the characters and tell stories that celebrate them,” he said.
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I wish Superman was more of a colorful character in these movies. He's so somber, and morose. So depressing, and that's what bothers me the most about these two movies. Snyder always says he's such a fan of these characters and he knows them so well. I have never seen Superman so lifeless and boring. Even when he's flying he's like a rocket zipping from one place to another. We n very get a chance to see the glorious side of the character.
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I read somewhere that Snyder was a bit upset about being reined in and cutting his Justice League movies down to one. So I guess they are going to take the ideas he had for three movies and shove them all into one?
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They’re two of the most successful movies of the year, grossing a combined $1.5 billion at the global box office.
“Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice” and “Suicide Squad” are also two of the year’s biggest disappointments, met with viciously negative reviews, bitter fans’ complaints and large second-weekend sales drops that indicate word-of-mouth was unkind, to say the least. The Wall Street Journal’s Joe Morgenstern wrote that “Suicide Squad” represented “an all-out attack on the whole idea of entertainment” due to its “exceptional cynicism and startling ineptitude.”
Warner Bros. is responding to this paradox by charging full-speed ahead with plans for its DC “cinematic universe”—while conceding the movies to date have fallen creatively short, a rare public admission in Hollywood.
The studio has reworked the 2017-slated “Justice League” in hopes of making it less grim and depressing than March’s “Batman v Superman.” And it has put fan-favorite comic book and TV writer Geoff Johns in a senior position overseeing the next wave of movies, along with veteran production executive Jon Berg.
One of the duo’s main goals, they said in their first interview since taking the jobs this past spring, is to make DC superheroes on the big screen more inspiring.
“Mistakenly in the past I think the studio has said, ‘Oh, DC films are gritty and dark and that’s what makes them different.’ That couldn’t be more wrong,” said Mr. Johns, who has written comic books featuring most of the company’s top superheroes. “It’s a hopeful and optimistic view of life. Even Batman has a glimmer of that in him. If he didn’t think he’d make tomorrow better, he’d stop.”
Many have complained that such a sense of optimism was precisely what was missing from director Zack Snyder’s “Batman v Superman” and his 2013 Superman reboot “Man of Steel.” Neither Ben Affleck’s Batman nor Henry Cavill’s Superman crack a smile, and both films feature so much death and destruction, including killings perpetrated by the main characters, that bloggers labeled them the “DC cinematic murderverse.”
The shuffle that made DC movies a full-time job for Messrs. Berg and Johns came soon after the public reaction to “Batman v Superman.” Previously, no Warner executives were devoted exclusively to the studio’s superhero films. Mr. Berg worked on them along with other productions, and Mr. Johns was a consultant with no authority.
Their appointments indicate that after giving Mr. Snyder the type of long leash accorded Christopher Nolan on the hit “Dark Knight” Batman trilogy, Warner has concluded it needs to oversee its DC movies more closely.
A spokeswoman for Mr. Snyder said he was unavailable to comment.
There was precedent in comics for Mr. Snyder’s interpretations, particularly Frank Miller’s revered 1986 comic-book miniseries “The Dark Knight Returns,” in which Batman and Superman battle. And director David Ayer’s “Suicide Squad,” though it had significant reshoots and last-minute editing, was never going to be a lighthearted romp, since its source material is about villains coerced into doing good.
While they knew the movies had flaws and expected them to be controversial, Warner executives were taken aback by the overwhelmingly negative responses, people at the studio said. They believed they had created more grounded, character-based stories that, like “The Dark Knight,” would favorably stand out from chief rival Marvel Studios’ consistently successful but fluffier fare such as “Avengers” and “Guardians of the Galaxy.”
The negative reactions were troubling. Despite the box office, if people aren’t happy and excited to see what’s next when they come out of theaters, the long-term prospects for DC films and consumer products are poor. Warner plans to release at least two movies based on DC characters every year for the foreseeable future at a cost of several billion dollars. CEO Kevin Tsujihara has said DC is one of three pillars of his studio’s movie business, along with Harry Potter and Lego.
Still, Warner executives have found reasons to take heart. The fact that this year’s movies were met with strident opinions—instead of a shrug like the Twentieth Century Fox 2015 superhero flop “Fantastic Four”—indicates that fans care about the characters.
“Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice” and “Suicide Squad” are also two of the year’s biggest disappointments, met with viciously negative reviews, bitter fans’ complaints and large second-weekend sales drops that indicate word-of-mouth was unkind, to say the least. The Wall Street Journal’s Joe Morgenstern wrote that “Suicide Squad” represented “an all-out attack on the whole idea of entertainment” due to its “exceptional cynicism and startling ineptitude.”
Warner Bros. is responding to this paradox by charging full-speed ahead with plans for its DC “cinematic universe”—while conceding the movies to date have fallen creatively short, a rare public admission in Hollywood.
The studio has reworked the 2017-slated “Justice League” in hopes of making it less grim and depressing than March’s “Batman v Superman.” And it has put fan-favorite comic book and TV writer Geoff Johns in a senior position overseeing the next wave of movies, along with veteran production executive Jon Berg.
One of the duo’s main goals, they said in their first interview since taking the jobs this past spring, is to make DC superheroes on the big screen more inspiring.
“Mistakenly in the past I think the studio has said, ‘Oh, DC films are gritty and dark and that’s what makes them different.’ That couldn’t be more wrong,” said Mr. Johns, who has written comic books featuring most of the company’s top superheroes. “It’s a hopeful and optimistic view of life. Even Batman has a glimmer of that in him. If he didn’t think he’d make tomorrow better, he’d stop.”
Many have complained that such a sense of optimism was precisely what was missing from director Zack Snyder’s “Batman v Superman” and his 2013 Superman reboot “Man of Steel.” Neither Ben Affleck’s Batman nor Henry Cavill’s Superman crack a smile, and both films feature so much death and destruction, including killings perpetrated by the main characters, that bloggers labeled them the “DC cinematic murderverse.”
The shuffle that made DC movies a full-time job for Messrs. Berg and Johns came soon after the public reaction to “Batman v Superman.” Previously, no Warner executives were devoted exclusively to the studio’s superhero films. Mr. Berg worked on them along with other productions, and Mr. Johns was a consultant with no authority.
Their appointments indicate that after giving Mr. Snyder the type of long leash accorded Christopher Nolan on the hit “Dark Knight” Batman trilogy, Warner has concluded it needs to oversee its DC movies more closely.
A spokeswoman for Mr. Snyder said he was unavailable to comment.
There was precedent in comics for Mr. Snyder’s interpretations, particularly Frank Miller’s revered 1986 comic-book miniseries “The Dark Knight Returns,” in which Batman and Superman battle. And director David Ayer’s “Suicide Squad,” though it had significant reshoots and last-minute editing, was never going to be a lighthearted romp, since its source material is about villains coerced into doing good.
While they knew the movies had flaws and expected them to be controversial, Warner executives were taken aback by the overwhelmingly negative responses, people at the studio said. They believed they had created more grounded, character-based stories that, like “The Dark Knight,” would favorably stand out from chief rival Marvel Studios’ consistently successful but fluffier fare such as “Avengers” and “Guardians of the Galaxy.”
The negative reactions were troubling. Despite the box office, if people aren’t happy and excited to see what’s next when they come out of theaters, the long-term prospects for DC films and consumer products are poor. Warner plans to release at least two movies based on DC characters every year for the foreseeable future at a cost of several billion dollars. CEO Kevin Tsujihara has said DC is one of three pillars of his studio’s movie business, along with Harry Potter and Lego.
Still, Warner executives have found reasons to take heart. The fact that this year’s movies were met with strident opinions—instead of a shrug like the Twentieth Century Fox 2015 superhero flop “Fantastic Four”—indicates that fans care about the characters.
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I doubt it, they will just focus on the first one (as they should) and go from there. DC needs to stop counting chickens before they hatch.
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BATMAN v SUPERMAN "A Piece Of *****"; Confirms Lack Of Interest In Superhero Movies
During a Q&A following the Venice Film Festival premiere of Hacksaw Ridge, Mel Gibson didn't hold back when it comes to his thoughts on superhero movies and Batman v Superman in particular.
Mel Gibson is a very outspoken guy, so it probably shouldn't come as too much of a surprise to learn that he's the latest filmmaker to speak out against superhero movies. After Hacksaw Ridge received a standing ovation at the Venice Film Festival, Deadline caught up with him to ask for his thoughts on the current state of Hollywood, and he didn't hold back when it came to his thoughts on blockbusters.
"I look at them and scratch my head. I’m really baffled by it. I think there’s a lot of waste but maybe if I did one of those things with the green screens I’d find out different. I don’t know. Maybe they do cost that much. I don’t know. It seems to me that you could do it for less. If you’re spending outrageous amounts of money, $180 million or more, I don’t know how you make it back after the tax man gets you, and after you give half to the exhibitors." However, there's one movie in particular he's not fond of. "What did they spend on ‘Batman v Superman’ that they’re admitting to? And it’s a piece of ****." That's going to upset a lot of comic book fans, but Gibson probably doesn't care.
Why? Well, he has zero interest in the genre. "I’m not interested in the stuff. Do you know what the difference between real superheroes and comic book superheroes is? Real superheroes didn’t wear spandex. So I don’t know. Spandex must cost a lot."
But here is what Batman and Supes think!
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I remember that, you were implying people didn't know why they liked it. You asked the same thing here and you received plenty and specific answers.
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The "I just don't understand how people like this" spiel really is the weakest sauce in the taco aisle.
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Nah, I just wanted others to explain why they liked it. I didn't understand. I was not trying to be offensive or anything. Then others said the same thing I did. Then a lot of the conversation got wiped out altogether.
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I get it. The brain just wants to comprehend how others could find entertainment value in something that might be a chore for you to sit through. I started watching the found footage movie Affliction the other night and felt the same way.
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I'm just saying, I even remember people here said maybe that's why you were getting hostile replies in the other website, because for a second you also tried to imply that people weren't answering your question here either, until others pointed out the replies to your question you were getting.
As for the conversation deletion in the other place, well, we're heading towards that route in here too, whenever certain people don't like what someone has to say, entire conversations casually disappear, like someone's trying to turn this into their safe space, it's weird.
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Exactly. Like people standing around watching an old lady fall badly and no one stops to help her get up.
It's the admin's protest against the University of Chicago.
https://www.chicagotribune.com/news...go-safe-spaces-letter-met-20160825-story.html
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Why? For me it's simple....I like superhero movies. I remember the bad and campy superhero stuff we got in the 70s and 80s so these new films are just a lot more exciting. I'll admit I like the MCU a lot more than the DC stuff, but I can still enjoy B vs S despite there being some really weak moments and plot points. I don't go in to these look good for Shawshank or Godfather. I go in looking to be entertained and they accomplish that task for me.
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