Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice (March 24th, 2016)

[ZaCHw117]

Easiest way to bring him back, turns out Clark Kent wasn't dead, he was covering some big story undercover.

I think Flash could/would have an integral role in bringing him back. especially if he can bend dimensions and time as we've seen.

 

[GasparZizou]

I like how the MCU heroes don't have a secret identity, but I know there are some practical reasons and benefits to having a secret identity. However, it seems to me that a secret becomes less problematic the more people know about it because the hero doesn't have to worry about hiding and lying constantly because it becomes like a small team of people that can assist in some ways. I'm not saying every single person working for the Daily Planet should know the truth, but some of his close coworkers, the JL members, and some people in Smallville and even that General from Matrix Reloaded should know too. That guy should be Martian Man Hunter disguised as a military guy.

I agree with you, it's a burden when it's done more by trope or archetype than it being part of the character, but in the case of Superman it's really an integral part of the character, because if he didn't have a secret identity, he just couldn't live a normal life, and Superman loves living a normal life, loves being a human and being around his "peers" possibly more than being Superman...

Btw, I think you're onto something with General Swanwick, there's a rumor that he's exactly who you're saying he is.

I think Flash could/would have an integral role in bringing him back. especially if he can bend dimensions and time as we've seen.

I thought of that, and it would be brilliant, because speedforce don't gotta explain ****.

But I still want my reboot so I hope they save the speed force for that

Actually, there was a rumor that JL would lead to a soft reboot and it would "straighten" the DCEU.

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

I agree with you, it's a burden when it's done more by trope or archetype than it being part of the character, but in the case of Superman it's really an integral part of the character, because if he didn't have a secret identity, he just couldn't live a normal life, and Superman loves living a normal life, loves being a human and being around his "peers" possibly more than being Superman...

Btw, I think you're onto something with General Swanwick, there's a rumor that he's exactly who you're saying he is.

He'd be a good choice for MMH. He's got the attitude and voice for it, just put some makeup on the guy. The only potential plothole it could create is why didn't he get involved during the invasion? Unless, they do another flashback a la Bruce Wayne in Metropolis and show the General pulling a Clark Kent/Superman by having him help somewhere else while no one was looking. Then he shows up all like, "Superman did it!"

 

[GasparZizou]

He'd be a good choice for MMH. He's got the attitude and voice for it, just put some makeup on the guy. The only potential plothole it could create is why didn't he get involved during the invasion? Unless, they do another flashback a la Bruce Wayne in Metropolis and show the General pulling a Clark Kent/Superman by having him help somewhere else while no one was looking. Then he shows up all like, "Superman did it!"

Well, we're assuming he has his traditional power set, in which case it could be a problem, I always wanted MMH to have all his powers, except the ones Superman has, like super-strength and "martian" vision, to give the team more variety.

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

Well, we're assuming he has his traditional power set, in which case it could be a problem, I always wanted MMH to have all his powers, except the ones Superman has, like super-strength and "martian" vision, to give the team more variety.

You like his weakness? I'd get rid of it. Single or specific weaknesses really puts characters in a box and it can affect the writing when writers have to rely on the same predictable obstacle , like Kryptonite.

 

[GasparZizou]

You like his weakness? I'd get rid of it. Single or specific weaknesses really puts characters in a box and it can affect the writing when writers have to rely on the same predictable obstacle , like Kryptonite.

I like his weakness to fire when it's handled as a psychological weakness not an physical one, when it's played as a sort of PSTD trigger that reminds him of the destruction of his race.

 

[crows]

Is this thread like therapy for u guys?

This is going beyond talk of the movie now

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

I like his weakness to fire when it's handled as a psychological weakness not an physical one, when it's played as a sort of PSTD trigger that reminds him of the destruction of his race.

I don't know, how does a telepath not overcome a psychological trauma? Can't he just put a mental block on that?

Is this thread like therapy for u guys?

This is going beyond talk of the movie now

Beyond the film, yes. But it all relates to the DCEU.

 

[GasparZizou]

I don't know, how does a telepath not overcome a psychological trauma? Can't he just put a mental block on that?

He's still vulnerable to mental trauma though, telepath just means he can communicate with other minds.

He actually felt the death of his race because of his telepathy so his aversion to fire is that much more powerful.

Is this thread like therapy for u guys?

This is going beyond talk of the movie now

We're literally talking about the ramifications of the movie, you never listen!

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

He's still vulnerable to mental trauma though, telepath just means he can communicate with other minds.

He actually felt the death of his race because of his telepathy so his aversion to fire is that much more powerful!

I don't know the extent of his mental powers, but most telepaths can do more than just communicate with other minds. Many telepaths can crate illusions, control other minds, manipulate memories as well as erasing them, transfer information to people directly or indirectly, as well as creating mental shields, barriers, and brain blasts. I doubt an OP character like MMH can only read minds and communicate with people.

Is Sups resistant to telepaths?

 

[GasparZizou]

I don't know the extent of his mental powers, but most telepaths can do more than just communicate with other minds. Many telepaths can crate illusions, control other minds, manipulate memories as well as erasing them, transfer information to people directly or indirectly, as well as creating mental shields, barriers, and brain blasts. I doubt an OP character like MMH can only read minds and communicate with people.

Is Sups resistant to telepaths?

Yeah but the pain and death of your entire race going through you brain has to be too much, especially for a telepath. I didn't mean that he can only do that, he can do all the things you mentioned, but they're still susceptible to mental harm, I believe white martians are more powerful and they manage to **** him up every once in a while.

About Supes, not at first but I don't remember who taught him to resist mental manipulation, still I believe Grodd could somewhat manipulate him but he can resist.

Poison Ivy and the Joker have manipulated Supes in the past, it's not mental manipulation per say, but he always manages to resist enough to let his friends escape before he kills them or something.

Hopeman, he has to be completely wide-open for mental manipulation though, he doesn't seem to have the mental fortitude of classic Supes.

 

[Prime Clone]

This article from back in March just popped up in my Twitter feed. I often have trouble articulating why I like BvS, but I agree with many of the points made here. I'm not down on the Marvel universe like the writer is, however (though I still have no interest in seeing Deadpool):

https://nypost.com/2016/03/30/batman-v-superman-is-too-smart-for-marvel-fans/

 

[abake]

While he certainly seems to hate the MCU, he makes valid points.
But, then again, I'm a big fan of BvS.

 

[GasparZizou]

That's one the articles I saved when the movie was released, good read, I wish it wasn't so short, I would like to read what else this guy sees in this movie, I have a feeling our views would align a lot.

Also I know there's an inflammatory click-bait component to it like everything in geek "journalism", but that article could do without it.

You can defeat General Zod, but you can’t fight City Hall.

Really makes you think.

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

That's one the articles I saved.

 

[GasparZizou]

g-go away! I hate you! Leave and never return!

Snyder looks after us now, we don't need you!

 

[chewblacca]

I read the article and I get what the article suggests that the movie tackles the idea of a superman that n today's society. The problem is that Supermqn's actions are being by misconstrued due to Luthors interventions. The same way the Winter Soldier was framed for the explosion in Civil War Superman was blamed for the deaths in Africa and at the capital. I got that, I saw what it was and where it was coming from. For me, the problem I had with Batman v Superman is that it takes itself too seriously. There's no dichotomy between the two characters. One is serious and the other is morose with the only bit of levity coming when the two boys meet the feminine element to their club."She's with you?" "I thought she was with you?"

 

[spindrift]

He's right- it attempts far more than any other MCU film and even if it does not reach the heights it was grasping for at least the ambition is clear on the screen- real issues and real conflicts- which CW fumbled with very poorly in my opnion

 

[Prime Clone]

One is serious and the other is morose with the only bit of levity coming when the two boys meet the feminine element to their club."She's with you?" "I thought she was with you?"

Yeah but I prefer darker films, so for me the less levity the better. Alfred's gallows humor was enough.

Snyder says he's changed tack for JL, just hoping he doesn't go too far the other way.

 

[chewblacca]

Man I hope not. If your first two films were low on humor, then in the third you put too much in the effect could be even more negative than the first two. He should just continue with what he was doing.