Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice (March 24th, 2016)

[Khev]

Re: Batman vs. Superman (2016)

It's not like in the comics there wasn't an organization named the court of owls which were ruling Gotham without Batman ever noticing it.... EVER.

Why even bother making these movies if villains are useless as ****.

Nobody is suggesting that villains need to be incompetent. Have them be so bad that they kill thousands or millions of people. Fine. But when they use the "Dent Act" to inspire people immorally incarcerated to go out and murder innocent people in their homes then the hero gets to share some of the blame. Now if the Dent Act was a *moral* maneuver and bad guys were just reacting violently because they're evil, again, fine. But Batman and Gordon did something bad, it got out and innocent people suffered.

 

[jye4ever]

Re: Batman vs. Superman (2016)

I actually don't think Pa Kent died to be honest.


Dorthy survived.

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[jye4ever]

Re: Batman vs. Superman (2016)

Why bother keeping something around when it has the potential to do more harm than good? It's a pretty easy wager. "Do I keep this thing around and risk the lives of millions" vs. "Do I drown it and loose money on 'clean energy'". Better yet, why was Bruce interested in clean energy again? Where the **** did that interest come from and what does it exactly do? He ain't no Tony Stark.

There's so many things he could have done to "better the world" as Bruce Wayne with his wealth, but nope, he's obsessed with a dumb, cliched "doomsday" plot device. Point is, he knew how deadly it was and even had the proper precautions built to destroy it. What does he do? Keeps it around. He's instead tricked by the women that manipulated him (she partially funded the damn thing and was obsessed with it since day 1) and then gives it to her. Everything that happens in the story happens because of how gullible and stupid Bruce and Fox are. Had Bruce not been a piece of **** for those 3-8 years and actually DONE something, none of that would have happened. Instead he got disgustingly comfortable with the effects of the lie he helped spread and sat up in his mansion doing absolutely nothing. Pretty pathetic if you ask me.

The damage is ALL on him and his company. And what happens at the end when the city needs him most (financially and physically for the repairs alone)? He abandons it by going into retirement again. Wasn't the crime and corruption a direct result of the financial situation of the city in Begins? Well, judging by the 5 months of "Occupy Bane", the city is in the dark ages. All of it's bridges are destroyed, it's people are traumatized, it's very system is defunct. Worse yet, all of the criminals from black gate are on the loose and innocent, prosperous people were executed. The city is bankrupt or atleast facing severe poverty. What does poverty create? Depravity.

Robin Blake will surely save the day though!




He (unknowingly) sent the signal to Zod and Co. He was carelessly smashing through the city (and Smallville) just as much as Zod.

He's a big, careless oaf in MoS. The Hulk from Avengers was more attentive of his surroundings than Supes was.

Man this is just full of WIN.

 

[GasparZizou]

Re: Batman vs. Superman (2016)

Nobody is suggesting that villains need to be incompetent. Have them be so bad that they kill thousands or millions of people. Fine. But when they use the "Dent Act" to inspire people immorally incarcerated to go out and murder innocent people in their homes then the hero gets to share some of the blame. Now if the Dent Act was a *moral* maneuver and bad guys were just reacting violently because they're evil, again, fine. But Batman and Gordon did something bad, it got out and innocent people suffered.

They weren't immorally incarcerated, they were wanted men associated with major criminal organizations who without the Dent act would have got out in parole or bailed out by their bosses.

The Dent act wasn't written by Gordon nor Batman, the only thing that's Batman's fault was taking the heat for Dent's crimes, so all the work Dent did before wasn't in vain and the people's morale didn't end up completely shattered because the Joker was half right.

 

[GasparZizou]

Re: Batman vs. Superman (2016)

Man this is just full of WIN.

Of course it is.....

 

[Khev]

Re: Batman vs. Superman (2016)

They weren't immorally incarcerated

Then why was Gordon so upset about it? Why was Blake so appalled?

 

[GasparZizou]

Re: Batman vs. Superman (2016)

Then why was Gordon so upset about it? Why was Blake so appalled?

Because it was based on a lie, and they were praising a broken psycho.

 

[Khev]

Re: Batman vs. Superman (2016)

Because it was based on a lie, and they were praising a broken psycho.

 

[Khev]

Re: Batman vs. Superman (2016)

No, he has all the information at his disposal, even finds out that Bane is part of the league because of Alfred googling "Bane" in the search engine,

 

[jye4ever]

Re: Batman vs. Superman (2016)

Of course it is.....

He even provided detailed examples explaining why BW/Fox were gulible and stupid.

C'mon, Blake saving the day.....Occupy Bane.

Classic in my book.

 

[batfan08]

Re: Batman vs. Superman (2016)

You're going to be in for a rude awakening when you get older.

Hope is a fools game. It's rarely proactive and it gets nothing done. I'm not being pessimistic, I'm just telling it like it is. There should be more to these stories than just having a character indulge in the idea that everything will eventually be fine and dandy in the end. That's stupid and just as bad as living in despair ("oh, woe is me, my chance for a normal life is wrecked!").


And yes, the current film interpretations of Batman and Superman are responsible for the problems that occur.

Without hope, though, how would anything actually change? People feel the need to alter their circumstances because they hope for a better existence. They don't just close their eyes and wish for their lives to change, but, still, life without hope is no more productive than life with nothing but hope. All I'm saying is: what is life without the belief that you can make something better with work and perseverance? These films aren't about Batman and Superman sitting around a circle of monks and thinking that they can somehow will a better world by using the power of hope; they're about these heroes using what skills they have to try to shape the world into what they, ultimately, hope it could be.

 

[jye4ever]

Re: Batman vs. Superman (2016)

Man, I think DiFabio has dosed himself with Gamma Taco's, this is even better than when the movie was first released.

 

[Khev]

Re: Batman vs. Superman (2016)

Man, I think DiFabio has dosed himself with Gamma Taco's, this is even better than when the movie was first released.

I can't stop laughing about Alfred googling the villain's name and then informing the World's Greatest Detective of everything he needed to know. I'm actually probably one of the board's bigger fans of TDKR but it really did set itself up to poked fun at.

And yeah, DiFabio is in rare form.

 

[jye4ever]

Re: Batman vs. Superman (2016)

Without hope, though, how would anything actually change? People feel the need to alter their circumstances because they hope for a better existence. They don't just close their eyes and wish for their lives to change, but, still, life without hope is no more productive than life with nothing but hope. All I'm saying is: what is life without the belief that you can make something better with work and perseverance? These films aren't about Batman and Superman sitting around a circle of monks and thinking that they can somehow will a better world by using the power of hope; they're about these heroes using what skills they have to try to shape the world into what they, ultimately, hope it could be.

He certainly shaped the world into something better alright.

 

[GasparZizou]

Re: Batman vs. Superman (2016)

Wasn't Blake complaining that the orphanages hadn't been receiving financial support for years? Thanks for that, that means Bruce failed in that regard too!

Are you actually reading? That was one of the reasons the fortune was diminished.

And he had a chance to get rid of it, but instead, risked having it kill millions of people by keeping it around. Worse yet, he let it remain active so it could be used for terrorism to threaten and scare the city into submission.

Right, it's Bruce's fault that a board member went rouge and hired a mercenary to gain him the company without knowing that mercenary had his own agenda and modified that that was supposed to be used for good into a bomb.

Would have been interesting if we didn't already see the same crap retreaded from Batman Begins. I could be more forgiving of Bruce if this was the first time he was betrayed/tricked by a former ally and dealing with freakin' stolen Wayne tech turned into a doomsday device against the city again. Guess what though, this is the SECOND time it's happened.

It's not like they had an army or anything this time around... That's their MO, and it worked the 1st time, they didn't show signs of existence until they were ready to execute the plan, you can't logically blame Bruce for that, at all.

The fact that he worked with these people and knew how deadly and powerful the organization was just shows how incompetent he was from the get go. It's his fault. It's not like it was in the Dark Knight where a wild card like the Joker comes into play and he underestimates him as some mere bank robber dressed as a clown. No, he has all the information at his disposal, even finds out that Bane is part of the league because of Alfred googling "Bane" in the search engine, and underestimates his enemy for the third time. He's an idiot and the city's downfall is his fault. He's lucky the villains in the movie were idiots and gave him (and Gordon with his GCPD) so many chances to foil their plans. Had they not, Gotham would have been leveled all thanks to Bruce.

The only thing they found out about "googling" Bane is that he was a mercenary, yeah, he that's an encyclopedia of information, and he didn't know he was part of the league until he was thrown into the pit, yeah they're idiots, they get stuff done, but they're not "the greatest criminal minds of their time" .

This isn't Batman dealing with a new threat that is out of his control. All of these things are on him. He wanted the device, he funded the device, he let shady people in his company on his board (remember Lau, he saw that criminality a mile away, that's Batman done right), he had a chance to dispose of it, but instead, held up as a recluse just waiting for things to get even worse. He's a loser and the damage was all on him.

He wanted clean energy, not a bomb.

Shady people? Lau's company had books that hinted illegal income, Talia nor Dagget didn't.

 

[GasparZizou]

Re: Batman vs. Superman (2016)

He even provided detailed examples explaining why BW/Fox were gulible and stupid.

He provided examples of how BW/Fox are gullible and stupid about something they're not even supposed to know it exists.

 

[jye4ever]

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Are you actually reading? That was one of the reasons the fortune was diminished.

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[The Iron Koob]

Re: Batman vs. Superman (2016)

The biggest problem with MOS is that they created a scenario where the world was better off without Superman. it's kind of absurd when you think about it. Wouldn't it be great to have a guy that can do everything a save everyone? Instead he causes the death of thousands of people by bringing Zod to Earth. Of course he is "protecting" Earth but no one sees it that way and it's his fault they came anyway. This is actually the reason I don't like when Superman fights aliens because #1 they usually have to make him overpowered to compete and #2 it drags Earth into fights that humans have nothing to do with. I feel like now that Luthor is the villain again, this might be resolved for this film. The only way to make it work is to establish that alien invasion is inevitable. They didn't do that with MOS. HAVING said all that, I feel like if Zod had been a sequel villain, like 2 or 3, people would swallow the destruction a lot better. Now, it kinda defines the character. I really hope they don't try to "end the world" in the sequel.

 

[Niltusk]

Re: Batman vs. Superman (2016)

The biggest problem with MOS is that they created a scenario where the world was better off without Superman. it's kind of absurd when you think about it. Wouldn't it be great to have a guy that can do everything a save everyone? Instead he causes the death of thousands of people by bringing Zod to Earth. Of course he is "protecting" Earth but no one sees it that way and it's his fault they came anyway. This is actually the reason I don't like when Superman fights aliens because #1 they usually have to make him overpowered to compete and #2 it drags Earth into fights that humans have nothing to do with. I feel like now that Luthor is the villain again, this might be resolved for this film. The only way to make it work is to establish that alien invasion is inevitable. They didn't do that with MOS. HAVING said all that, I feel like if Zod had been a sequel villain, like 2 or 3, people would swallow the destruction a lot better. Now, it kinda defines the character. I really hope they don't try to "end the world" in the sequel.

From that pov they could have had the military accidentally set off the beacon, so that Superman wasn't just fixing a problem he caused. It would have been a small change, but I wonder if it would alleviate some of the criticism for what follows.

 

[jye4ever]

Re: Batman vs. Superman (2016)

I wish we first learned of Zod when the humans did, this way the "you are not alone" would've been creepy and more effective.

As it stands now, just a big waste of time.