Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice (March 24th, 2016)

[karamazov80]

Re: Batman vs. Superman (2016)

If you include 300 and Watchmen, Snyder's had 5. I wouldn't necessarily be against it, but he's got no track record apart from a very conservative interpretation of existing comics and Man of Steel. Now they're signing him up for every forthcoming DC movie in the pipeline.

 

[jye4ever]

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If you include 300 and Watchmen, Snyder's had 5. I wouldn't necessarily be against it, but he's got no track record apart from a very conservative interpretation of existing comics and Man of Steel. Now they're signing him up for every forthcoming DC movie in the pipeline.

Ok, I included WM, so 4 for Snyder.

I won't count 300.

 

[Bardoon]

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I like Snyder and I'm glad to hear he'll be back for Justice League. I think he did possibly the best anyone could with "Watchmen" and that's why he got the nod from WB and DC. "Watchmen" was always perceived "un-filmable" but I think he did an excellent job.

He just needs to tone down the shaky cam.

 

[pturtle]

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I would prefer he only direct Superman films, and even that I don’t really want. Let Affleck direct the Batman films, and hire directors for the other solo films we’ll be getting and Justice League. Snyder lacks any kind of resume to be given a potential billion dollar film to direct. Hopefully after BvsS I’ll change my opinion.

I don’t think Singer will be directing Apocalypse anymore, I hope he does, but I think the studio will be giving him the boot no matter how his trial goes.

 

[karamazov80]

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To clarify a bit more, I actually don't think Snyder in himself is a problem, so long as he is only directing and they have really awesome writers on board, who are left alone to allow their vision to be reflected on the screen. But directors tend to become creators in a broader sense of the word when they are given more important roles. WB is placing DC's future in Snyder's hands, and considering how successful Marvel has been, and how big comic movies are now, that is a HUGE gamble. And I don't think Snyder has good creative storytelling sense (see Sucker Punch), nor do I think he is very good at conventional dramatic directing. The latter is excusable in comic movies, the former isn't. Anyway, I guess we'll get a better sense of things after Batman vs. Superman. Right now we only have a sample size of one for new DC stories. I think it was a bad way to start out, but it could have been an aberration.

 

[Bardoon]

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To clarify a bit more, I actually don't think Snyder in himself is a problem, so long as he is only directing and they have really awesome writers on board, who are left alone to allow their vision to be reflected on the screen. But directors tend to become creators in a broader sense of the word when they are given more important roles. WB is placing DC's future in Snyder's hands, and considering how successful Marvel has been, and how big comic movies are now, that is a HUGE gamble. And I don't think Snyder has good creative storytelling sense (see Sucker Punch), nor do I think he is very good at conventional dramatic directing. The latter is excusable in comic movies, the former isn't. Anyway, I guess we'll get a better sense of things after Batman vs. Superman. Right now we only have a sample size of one for new DC stories. I think it was a bad way to start out, but it could have been an aberration.

Well, Snyder isn't really responsible for the creative storytelling. Just the visual approach to the storytelling. So I think you should feel alright there unless you don't care for his visual approach. He's worked with A LOT of source material where he got visual clues (ie. 300 and Watchmen). Sucker Punch was his chance at his own original vision and while it was an interesting and unique film, it bombed.

I can agree with you on dramatic directing. It's not his strong suit, but he's not the worst at it. He just needs to tone it down a bit...I feel that he just wants to rush the drama so he can get to the next action scene. And at times he's like a crack-addict filming it with his damn "shaky cam".

I don't fully put the blame on Snyder. He's just the director chosen for this. I've always seen this as WB/DC Executives' faults. The whole Time-Warner organization is a mess when it comes to DC Comics properties. They just can never seem to get their s*** straight with it....

 

[karamazov80]

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I agree there's blame to go around, and WB puts the pieces in place, but ultimately, the creative team is responsible for the film itself. Man of Steel, I thought, was primarily a failure because of the writing. Snyder did what he showed he could do well in the past--action, dramatic shots that look good for a trailer--and he did that stuff well enough. So, like I was saying, I'm OK with it, so long as he doesn't start pushing for more and more creative control. And really, that was the same thought I had when I first heard about Snyder being brought in as director. But he will have the right to start demanding more control at this point, and who could blame him for wanting to do so? Ultimately, the lack of vision on WB's part here is the story, and that isn't very promising IMO. Though of course, it's nothing new.

 

[a-dev]

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He just needs to tone down the shaky cam.

I forgot about that actually. Something else that bothered me in MOS, pointless shaky cam in quiet dramatic scenes between Pa Kent and young Clark.

 

[karamazov80]

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What do you mean? It made those scenes more EXTREME. And really, isn't that the whole purpose of making movies?

 

[Bardoon]

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I agree there's blame to go around, and WB puts the pieces in place, but ultimately, the creative team is responsible for the film itself. Man of Steel, I thought, was primarily a failure because of the writing. Snyder did what he showed he could do well in the past--action, dramatic shots that look good for a trailer--and he did that stuff well enough. So, like I was saying, I'm OK with it, so long as he doesn't start pushing for more and more creative control. And really, that was the same thought I had when I first heard about Snyder being brought in as director. But he will have the right to start demanding more control at this point, and who could blame him for wanting to do so? Ultimately, the lack of vision on WB's part here is the story, and that isn't very promising IMO. Though of course, it's nothing new.

It's going to be interesting to see. Because this has played out MANY times in Hollywood.

We actually saw the opposite happen with the Raimi Spider-man series. Raimi maintained most of his control throughout Spider-man 1 & 2, it wasn't until Spider-man 3 when the studio started pushing for MORE villains (in particular Venom) and MORE craziness. That actually led to a lot of problems between Sam Raimi and Sony and why he left the Spider-man series.

So knowing that there are control freaks in Time Warner/WB...it's going to be interesting to see how much they exert their control over these movies. In fact....they already have. Who do you think pushed Batman into this flick? And now Wonder Woman? And now Cyborg? Who is Jason Momoa playing? You may hear Snyder say they had "chats" and thought it was cool to bring Batman and Double-W in as a full-time players, but I guaran-damn-tee this is a prime business decision from the "Suits" upstairs in Time-Warner. Because they think Batman, they think Cash-Money. I've accepted Batman and I'm cool with it, but don't think that these "creative decisions" are all coming from Zach Snyder and his team. There is A LOT riding on this and Snyder isn't the only player with his hand on the button.

Snyder is just being given the tools to play with and I'm sure he wants to do the best he can. But the Who, What, Where, and Why are coming from way above his head.

 

[karamazov80]

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Yeah, the execs will always have some sway, even when Nolan was there--who you would think would have as much autonomy as anyone--he had to compromise in some areas from my understanding. Ideally, a strong-willed director who pushed back on those kinds of issues would be a good idea, considering WB's general ineptitude minus Nolan. And I don't get the impression that Snyder is that.

 

[Bardoon]

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Yeah, the execs will always have some sway, even when Nolan was there--who you would think would have as much autonomy as anyone--he had to compromise in some areas from my understanding. Ideally, a strong-willed director who pushed back on those kinds of issues would be a good idea, considering WB's general ineptitude minus Nolan. And I don't get the impression that Snyder is that.

Yup, there is a lot of "backstage" even in Hollywood that makes things very interesting.

You know why Nolan compromised? Because WB helped fund his other "project" films like Inception, The Prestige, Transcendence (Exec. Producer), and the upcoming Interstellar. Nolan is very much a "WB guy". Not that there's anything wrong with that. But it does show that at times, there's a little of "you scratch my back and I'll scratch yours".

 

[morphosis]

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I just have to say you guys are talking about stuff you have no idea. None of you work for WB or Christopher Nolan or Snyder so you have no idea what goes on behind the scenes. And what they do let the public know about is probably about .001% of what actually goes on.

 

[olbertfrog]

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I enjoyed the Tornado scene, I really don't understand all of the hatred this forum has towards it. Pa Kent genuinely feared for his son's safety, and how people would react if they knew who Clark really was. Clark was willing to let his Father die because of this, he trusted him. I thought it was a very emotional, well acted scene.

Clark spent his childhood doing extraordinary things from Time to Time in Smallville enough to get the attention of some people.
Nothing happened to him. All thing lead to believe this a church people Town, the mother of the red headed kid is saying that its a miracle blah blah.
So basically everything looks pretty positive even if he need to be carefull.
It was emotional, well acted and shot scène, love the goodbye but it was useless in my opinion.
Pa did not needed to die

Snyder is a great director, but he needs to stay out of the writing.
Hes like RIdley Scott, he would botch the script if it gets him a cool visual.
He needs also to get back to his original style, the handheld style was cool in some scenes of MOS to give the realistic feel.
But sometimes it felt so out of place, yet you could follow everything that was going he never shakes his caméra all over the place like Greengrass do.
Watchmen and DAWN of the dead are his Best caméra work, a good balance of pure style, iconic moments and more classic stuff.
Pretty happy that hes the one leading the Dc universe.
Some must be thinking RIP DC cinematic universe lol

 

[Uncanny Web-Slinger]

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I like Snyder and I'm glad to hear he'll be back for Justice League. I think he did possibly the best anyone could with "Watchmen" and that's why he got the nod from WB and DC. "Watchmen" was always perceived "un-filmable" but I think he did an excellent job.

He just needs to tone down the shaky cam.

 

[**16k**]

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I just have to say you guys are talking about stuff you have no idea. None of you work for WB or Christopher Nolan or Snyder so you have no idea what goes on behind the scenes. And what they do let the public know about is probably about .001% of what actually goes on.

I love the movie, but I hate this scene because it doesn't make sense!

They are on the road, probably surrounded by drivers that don't know them at all! So why the secrecy? Besides, it would have been easy for Clark to run and get him, disappear both in the tornado. Those strangers would have thought they'd died while both of them would be safe!

...and if people knew them, well, just another miracle! Really, this scene looked good but was stupid story wise!

 

[pturtle]

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Supposedly Matt Damon is up for the role of Aquaman. I'd actually be excited about that if it happens.


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[Darth Zangetsu]

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I love the movie, but I hate this scene because it doesn't make sense!

They are on the road, probably surrounded by drivers that don't know them at all! So why the secrecy? Besides, it would have been easy for Clark to run and get him, disappear both in the tornado. Those strangers would have thought they'd died while both of them would be safe!

...and if people knew them, well, just another miracle! Really, this scene looked good but was stupid story wise!

I get your point, but as a newish parent(my son just turned 1 about a month ago) I can appreciate what Pa Kent was thinking. I look at my son, and I would do anything, even give up my own life, if it meant a chance at a better/normal life for him. And my son can't bench press a bus. Yes, Clark could have saved him, but i found the scene kind of powerful, but that's just me.

Also it is still miles better than the comic version of Clark going into Purgatory to pull Pa's soul back into his body.

 

[Bardoon]

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I just have to say you guys are talking about stuff you have no idea. None of you work for WB or Christopher Nolan or Snyder so you have no idea what goes on behind the scenes. And what they do let the public know about is probably about .001% of what actually goes on.

No man, I think we do know what we're talking about. Do you work in the business world? Constant "public" decisions are swayed and changed because of backstage (and public) pressure and politics. Trust me, I see it regularly. The movie business is that, a business and licensed characters will be promoted and protected in service of what is best financially before it would be creatively.

I'm not necessarily SAYING that what I'm describing is EXACTLY how it's going down, but I have read enough interviews, articles, reports and seen enough in my own personal job experience to know how things are run.

I used the Raimi story in my description and that's what happened. Here's a few quick articles, read about it:

https://io9.com/5193338/sam-raimi-spider-man-3-wasnt-my-fault

https://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/OnlyZodKnowsWhy/news/?a=6773

And this is the director himself saying creative control was pulled from him! It happens. Richard Donner was pulled from Superman 2 and bits of the film were re-shot with a new director and the movie was re-edited because he and the producers had disagreements about the direction of the script.

 

[Khev]

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Isn't your wife a little too sophisticated to be into something like that? I thought that stuff was for little like tween, teenage girls?


Then again, we're adults and we like these super duper heroes, so I dunno.

Her tastes are all over the place like mine, but yeah, grown men being into the adventures of a teenage Spidey is an apt comparison. When we saw Breaking Dawn 1 and 2 in the theaters there were just as many 30 and 40 something year old ladies as there were teens.