Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice (March 24th, 2016)

[Niltusk]

Re: Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice

No i think we deserve a better one

Batman -vs- Superman: Age of Aquarius

 

[ExMem-LarjaThwei]

Re: Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice

People accepted the new Batman because he looks like that fat, fugly Batman design from that TDK Returns comic/cartoon/whatever it is. Because it's from the "source material", however ridiculous that may be.

I don't see how this title is better or worse than the other thousand silly superhero comic titles out there.

 

[jye4ever]

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No i think we deserve a better one

 

[jye4ever]

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Holy crap, Goyer was right!

I look out my window and....

 

[batfan08]

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Eh, "First Avenger" sounds a lot better than "Dawn of Justice". It made Cap seem like the first legit hero, like "Old man Cap, the first superhero". Sure, Iron Man and Thor came before him in terms of filmography, but I think having that subtitle made him more special. What does "Dawn of Justice" do for a movie like this? Nothing. Admit it, it ain't no "The Dark Knight" or "Man of Steel" as far as WB/DC titles go. There are people here that don't like MoS at all (I'm one of them), but I think it's safe to say that they dig the title. You basically said it yourself. If people are just going to call this Batman vs. Superman, than why not just call a spade a spade? Why bother with the trashy subtitle?

As for the "hate", well what do you want? People really dug the Batman reveal pic (best received thing in a long time), but don't like the after mentioned stuff. So what? I don't sense a bias there. If it's good, it's good, if it's bad, it's bad, people are going to comment on their personal feelings. Look at X-Men: DOFP. Most of those things were ill-received from the get-go. From the costumes to Quicksilver, everyone was ripping on it. Now it's actually out, and it looks like the film as a whole is pretty damn good. If the final product is good, it will emerge as such in the eyes of the audience. Until then, I see nothing wrong with "ew, that title sucks", "man, Goyer is a ****", "Gadot looks anorexic", or "to hell with these forced Justice League plugs". Good or bad, all we can do is speculate for two ****ing years.

Like "The First Avenger," "Dawn of Justice," to me, indicates that they are building towards Justice League. Do I think it's unnecessary? Absolutely. Do I think it's as big a deal as people are making it, though? No; no, I do not. As for the latter, my point is that the majority of the news regarding this film has been met with ridiculously negative feedback. Ben Affleck being cast as Batman, Gal Gadot as Wonder Woman (I can understand the "she's an unproven actress, so you can understand my reservations" people, but, when the majority of the criticisms are that "she's got no ****s, or, as you said, "she looks anorexic," that leads me to believe that people are full of **** and looking for an active reason to *****.

More than anything, though, I'm just tired of it. It's to the point now, where I hope this film is the greatest comic book movie ever made, not because I want to get a great DC Universe movie, but because I want it to be good just to spite those people who couldn't stop spouting their vitriol.

 

[Niltusk]

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I don't know why, but it seems like Trevor should be in the background.

Rep'd anyway

 

[jye4ever]

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[DiFabio]

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Cynicism is just as valid as optimism as far as I'm concerned.

Until our ***** are in those theater seats watching the film, we can feel how ever we want. 2016 is pretty far away, you can't blame anyone for being a skeptic based on the track record alone. Besides, in the end it's just a movie. Who knows what will happen before May 6, 2016. That's why all these arguments and chit chatter is BS.

 

[batfan08]

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What track record? As far as I'm concerned, the slate was wiped clean with Man of Steel. New film; new creatives; new universe. That's like my saying, "well, The Avengers is going to suck because, while Iron Man was great, Spider-Man 3 and Ghost Rider totally blew. Even then, cynicism is one thing, but, I don't know, man. Batman vs. Superman is like a goat with a broken leg, and the "cynics" as you put it, are more akin to a pack of hungry wolves. I can't help but think that some of it is favoritism at work. There's a part of me that genuinely believes people want this to fail because that would, in some twisted way, prove that Marvel's better.

 

[Niltusk]

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Cynicism is just as valid as optimism as far as I'm concerned.

Until our ***** are in those theater seats watching the film, we can feel how ever we want. 2016 is pretty far away, you can't blame anyone for being a skeptic based on the track record alone. Besides, in the end it's just a movie. Who knows what will happen before May 6, 2016. That's why all these arguments and chit chatter is BS.

Agreed. It's not like this is in board exclusive attitude/behavior. I was at work when the Affleck announcement was made and people were acting like they announced football was outlawed in the US. Are people as intolerant to their friends coworkers disliking stuff?

 

[jye4ever]

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bf08, you take discussing superhero movies too seriously.

I'm really starting to regret BB/TDK.

Let your hair down, relax a little, have some lolz.

You have a blender, I can give you some great drink recipes, wife and I get plastered off my drinks.

 

[Niltusk]

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What track record? As far as I'm concerned, the slate was wiped clean with Man of Steel. New film; new creatives; new universe. That's like my saying, "well, The Avengers is going to suck because, while Iron Man was great, Spider-Man 3 and Ghost Rider totally blew. Even then, cynicism is one thing, but, I don't know, man. Batman vs. Superman is like a goat with a broken leg, and the "cynics" as you put it, are more akin to a pack of hungry wolves. I can't help but think that some of it is favoritism at work. There's a part of me that genuinely believes people want this to fail because that would, in some twisted way, prove that Marvel's better.

Do you work outside the home? I work for a huge Corp and every dept was **** talking affleck after the announcement. Now this was based on him being a 'bale replacement', and honestly most of the people probably have no idea which movies are Marvel or DC or that there's even a difference. It's a little misanthropic to assume anyone criticizing things that live up to your standard automatically have ulterior motives.

 

[DiFabio]

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What track record? As far as I'm concerned, the slate was wiped clean with Man of Steel. New film; new creatives; new universe. That's like my saying, "well, The Avengers is going to suck because, while Iron Man was great, Spider-Man 3 and Ghost Rider totally blew. Even then, cynicism is one thing, but, I don't know, man. Batman vs. Superman is like a goat with a broken leg, and the "cynics" as you put it, are more akin to a pack of hungry wolves. I can't help but think that some of it is favoritism at work. There's a part of me that genuinely believes people want this to fail because that would, in some twisted way, prove that Marvel's better.

Well if this film ends up being worth it's salt, these "negative nellies" that seem to be bugging you will be "proven wrong", right? That's why these pre-release discussions don't even matter or amount to anything in the end. All anyone can do is view what little bits are released and react, nothing more.

And of course there's favoritism. The Marvel Studio films have already proven themselves, of course there will be that comparison. I seem to recall 2011 and 2012, pre-release where a lot of people were ripping Avengers because it looked like a Transformers movie, or the casting of Hawkeye, or the replacement of Edward Norton, or the choice of "We're in This Together" for the trailer music, etc. etc. Another movie or studios success should have no bearing on Batman vs. Superman, and it won't. There's no hidden agenda by fans of any particular group, that's ridiculous. They only speak of what they can see.

If people want to *****, let them *****. Not everyone will have the same perspective as you, you shouldn't let it bother you. I mean this,

It's to the point now, where I hope this film is the greatest comic book movie ever made, not because I want to get a great DC Universe movie, but because I want it to be good just to spite those people who couldn't stop spouting their vitriol.

Is pretty petty. It's no different than your mystery fans that "want this movie to fail so Marvel is better". That's silly. It should be good for you because you liked/enjoyed it, not to "spite them". Who is them anyway? How does one gauge the "bestest comic book movie ever"? Box office? Rotten Tomatoes? Awards? We have ones that are well received that have their quality put into question all the time. Even the most accepted film has people that would deem it crap or "overrated" because all this stupid superhero movie crap is subjective anyway.

 

[jye4ever]

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Yup, I enjoyed ASM 2, **** all of you.

 

[Khev]

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I guess "Dawn of Justice" sounds decent enough but it just screams....prequel to me. Prequel to a movie that doesn't actually exist yet. So they're basically billing it as an appetizer to another movie. And who wants to go see an appetizer in IMAX 3D? Give me the main course! Every movie should present itself as THE movie to see.

The "First Avenger" comparison doesn't stand because we'd heard talk of "avengers" in three MCU films prior to Cap. At the end of IM and TIH and then all through IM2 it was "avengers this" and "avengers that." We have not heard one word about any "justice league" in DC's film universe. So to just come out and define this movie with its very title as a precursor to something later just seems strange and a bit off putting. Obviously if the movie is great then nobody will care but right now I'm not digging the choice of title.

 

[Dr.Mirakle32]

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I like the title. It's straightforward while establishing this as a lead up to a JL movie. I just don't understand fans clinging onto a MAN OF STEEL: SUBTITLE title. The direct sequel ship sailed a long time ago, and it only makes sense for WB to want to distance itself after that film's mixed reception.

 

[Niltusk]

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Yup, I enjoyed ASM 2, **** all of you.

Same, although I wasn't in the crowd that thought it would be horrible, I never got why it had to continually devolve into...
1. This looks good
2. This looks bad
3. These people that don't like it need to get out of our thread because they are just trying to make people not like this great movie we've never seen.

WTF?

 

[ExMem-LarjaThwei]

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No one had an issue with people not liking the movie.

 

[DiFabio]

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Same, although I wasn't in the crowd that thought it would be horrible, I never got why it had to continually devolve into...
1. This looks good
2. This looks bad
3. These people that don't like it need to get out of our thread because they are just trying to make people not like this great movie we've never seen.

WTF?

I guess that's all that matters in the end, "how did everyone else feel about it".

That's like the question that seems to be on everyone's mind now a days after they walk out of a film. Then that permeates when they get home and go online. Why anyone would feel a sense of prosecution for liking/hating something is beyond me. Since when has this become a competition? As far as I know, none of us are seeing a cent of those box office returns, so what's our stake in it exactly, other than liking/disliking what we've seen?

It should come down to this, your own personal opinion. Nothing more.

 

[batfan08]

Re: Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice

Well if this film ends up being worth it's salt, these "negative nellies" that seem to be bugging you will be "proven wrong", right? That's why these pre-release discussions don't even matter or amount to anything in the end. All anyone can do is view what little bits are released and react, nothing more.

And of course there's favoritism. The Marvel Studio films have already proven themselves, of course there will be that comparison. I seem to recall 2011 and 2012, pre-release where a lot of people were ripping Avengers because it looked like a Transformers movie, or the casting of Hawkeye, or the replacement of Edward Norton, or the choice of "We're in This Together" for the trailer music, etc. etc. Another movie or studios success should have no bearing on Batman vs. Superman, and it won't. There's no hidden agenda by fans of any particular group, that's ridiculous. They only speak of what they can see.

If people want to *****, let them *****. Not everyone will have the same perspective as you, you shouldn't let it bother you. I mean this,




Is pretty petty. It should be good for you because you like it, not to "spite them". Who is them anyway? How does one gauge the "bestest comic book movie ever" anyway? We have ones that are well received that have their quality put into question all the time. Even the most accepted film has people that would deem it crap or "overrated" because all this stupid superhero movie crap is subjective anyway.

I don't even know what "the greatest comic book movie ever made" would look like. Hell, I don't even know if such a thing is possible. Also, it absolutely is petty, but, frankly, I think this place is transforming me in a way that I don't particularly like. When Marvel films are seemingly hated because they don't have a "Studios" banner attached and when DC must not have a plan because it doesn't follow "Marvel's step-by-step guide to creating successful superhero movies" that strikes me as relatively petty, as well, yet people do it, and it isn't always "for the LOLZ."

As far as the favoritism goes, I was pretty much referring to this forum, in a vacuum. I think the notion of every Marvel fan ever hating stuff is ludicrous, but it seems like there's a trend on this forum, specifically in this section, of negativity in threads about Non-Marvel Studios movies. Not just here, but in the X-Men and Spider-Man threads, as well. It's just kind of asinine, in my opinion. Suffice it to say, though, I do get where you're coming from. Opinions are like *******s and all that jazz.