Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice (March 24th, 2016)

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Re: Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice

Yeah I'm completely set on Alex Skarsgard as Aquaman (even though he should've been Thor, and they all should've had a Scandinavian accents instead of the fake grade-school play Brittish, and yes oh the irony that his father plays Selvig). Also I remember Copley best as Murdoch in that A-team reboot movie, which was actually pretty entertaining, in a ridiculous way.

Might as well add some pictures to make my point:
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He actually completed national service in the swedish military so his physical prowess isn't much of a problem, I'm sure with Cavill's trainer he'd become a beast. He also generally has the air I'd like to see Aquaman have. He's excellent at being condescending.:lol


BUT I will say I'm not hellbent on him, if they find another actor I like for the part I'm fine with that. And yes I do think it should be a naturally blond actor.

Skarsgard would be perfect. I'd love to see an Aquaman whose characterization is similar to that of Justice League's. I want him to be kind of ******* to humans. We always treat the character like crap, but I'd like to see a role reversal where he's disgusted by our selfishness and entitlement. My mother was talking about a tree in her backyard, recently, and how she thought they were going to have to remove it because she believed the roots were growing underneath the foundations of the house, and, to you or I, it sounds totally normal, but, when you detach yourself from the situation, this is a massive tree that's probably been here for decades; certainly longer than we've been here, and, yet, we want to eliminate it because it's causing an inconvenience, even though it predates us by a significant amount of time.

I'm not some Green Peace, hippie, "save the Earth" person, but it's just an observation about our very human oriented society. We shoot animals because we think they're lesser beings than us that would look great as a head on our wall, we tear down forests to build shopping malls, and that's not even Aquaman's territory; that's land. Then, you've got the oceans. Dolphins and Wales are slaughtered, we pollute the oceans with chemicals, trash, and, even, fuel.

**** it; make Aquaman the villain of the first Justice League. Everyone's wondering about the external threats from the vast frontiers of space, after Zod, and, all of a sudden, they've got a bunch of pissed off Atlanteans invading their shores, since they're sick of all of the **** humans put them through.:lol

I love Brave and the Bold, Justice League, Young Justice, and the other Timm-verse stuff. DC just hit home run after home run in the animated department. I didn't care for Teen Titans, but it isn't aimed at viewers like me, so I can't be critical of it.

Sadly, I think they're slipping. The animated films are pretty great, but even those have had some weaker entries, as of late (though, TDKR was absolutely brilliant), but the TV side of things is really getting hit hard. Though, it's not DC's fault, really. The damn Cartoon Network executives keep canceling good shows because they're not marketable or whatever. Young Justice: cancelled. Green Lantern: cancelled. While it wasn't their strongest, Beware the Batman was even getting good, but I'm fairly certain it's cancelled, too, considering the fact that, after a long hiatus, Cartoon Network has decided to air the last, I believe, 13 episodes...at 4 AM on Toonami.:slap

Part of me hopes that the fact that Timm left the movie production part of things means he'll be getting into the TV side a bit more, after all these years. Those two Batman shorts showed me that he's still got it. Personally, I'd love to see a revival or continuation of the original DCAU that ran from TAS to JLU. Air it during Adult Swim, towards it's target audience, and let that be that. Actually, to hell with Cartoon Network, Time Warner needs to create a DC Entertainment network with its own original programming. They've got enough content to get it to work, with enough new stuff to draw from and fill in the gaps. 4 pre-Nolan Batman films, the TDK trilogy, 4 Reeve Superman movies, Returns, Man of Steel, Green Lantern, Jonah Hex, Supergirl, etc.; as far as TV shows go, 10 seasons of Smallville in syndication, the Shipp Flash, the 66 Batman show, Wonder Woman, Shazam, Birds of Prey, and the whole animated line-up seems like a channel's worth of content.:lol Something nichey like Boomeranng for Comic book fans.

The best Marvel animated series I've seen is the recent Avengers one. I didn't watch much of the new Spidey ones, though. I've got a nostalgic connection to Spider-Man and His Amazing Friends and '80s Hulk, and '60s Spider-Man, as well as the old Fantastic Four series with HERBIE and the '60s moving comics of Thor, Cap, Submariner, etc., but I know they aren't actually that great. I don't care for the animation or voice acting on the '90s X-Men or Spider-Man cartoons. '90s FF and Avengers were terrible. Pryde of the X-Men was amazing to me, but that quality couldn't be sustained, so we only got the one pilot.

I could never get into the X-Men and Marvel shows. I think the DC stuff spoiled me. They seem like great shows, but I just can't mesh my own personal tastes with the aesthetics enough to enjoy them. I do agree that I absolutely loved Avengers:EMH. It was a fantastic show that, sadly, got canned in favor of that other one.:yuck
 
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The Justice League and JLU series, as well as Young Justice all came on during prime time (around 7 PM Central Time), so they really were already targeting adults with those. And at least the JL series must have done pretty well as it lasted 2 seasons, and JLU was 2 more.

I forgot about the GL cartoon. I saw a couple episodes and it seems pretty good, as well. I even thought the Legion of Super Heroes show from a few years back was pretty good.
 
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Yeah, that one kind of slipped under the radar for me, but, from what I saw, it did seem really great. I even liked The Batman. The Brave and The Bold, though, was delightful for it's reverence to pretty much everything in the 70+ year history of Batman that they drew from.
 
Re: Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice

Skarsgard would be perfect. I'd love to see an Aquaman whose characterization is similar to that of Justice League's. I want him to be kind of ******* to humans. We always treat the character like crap, but I'd like to see a role reversal where he's disgusted by our selfishness and entitlement. My mother was talking about a tree in her backyard, recently, and how she thought they were going to have to remove it because she believed the roots were growing underneath the foundations of the house, and, to you or I, it sounds totally normal, but, when you detach yourself from the situation, this is a massive tree that's probably been here for decades; certainly longer than we've been here, and, yet, we want to eliminate it because it's causing an inconvenience, even though it predates us by a significant amount of time.

I'm not some Green Peace, hippie, "save the Earth" person, but it's just an observation about our very human oriented society. We shoot animals because we think they're lesser beings than us that would look great as a head on our wall, we tear down forests to build shopping malls, and that's not even Aquaman's territory; that's land. Then, you've got the oceans. Dolphins and Wales are slaughtered, we pollute the oceans with chemicals, trash, and, even, fuel.

I take it you've seen Flashpoint Paradox? Because I've said this before but I'd really like it if the first JL film was a brooding conflict between the amazons and Atlantians, as well as perhaps their mutual discontent for how we're treating the earth. I hope whatever Aquaman material we get is fueled (pun unintended) by ecology. Don't think it was accidental that it was an oil rig we saw exploding in man of steel either, not to mention the blatant case of Krypton. And yes, I DO want these types of films to have political layers, nothing better than a great film with a great underlying message.

If BvS is at the end a setup for JLA with Batman and Superman starting to reach out to other people, perhaps with Cyborg already at their side via the government, WW's role could for example solely be her coming to bring the coming war between amazon and atlantis to their attention. Kinda also te reaosn why I feel Batman, Superman, Cyborg, Wonder Woman and Aquaman is a fine first JL team. Perhaps in the subsequent film afterward , now that we apparently know these films will not be divided into stale solo and team-up films, they could establish a galactic threat and add Flash and Green Lantern that route. By then I'd wager the Flash TV show will be done.


Concerning animated stuff, personally nothing tops the holy trinity of the original 90s Batman TAS, the 90s X-men and the 90s Spider-man for me. I've never seen any american animated series topping any of those three for me. The depth of the material they put in children's cartoons back then is leagues beyond anything I've come across so far today – it was actually genuinely educational and didn't scorn adult levels of speech and psychology. I only recently started YJ, but so far haven't been impressed in the slightest, and Avengers Assemble is outright childishly boring (I caught some of EMH but not that much as that didn't impress me much either). I do enjoy Ultimate Spider-man because I like the type of humour, but nothing more really. And I've heard good things about Clone Wars but the animation puts me off.
 
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I don't know why TV Flash would have to be done. Frankly, I wouldn't mind one bit, of they tied the Arrowverse into the Snyderverse, but, even then, I don't see why a movie Barry Allen and a TV Barry Allen would be so difficult to grasp. Also, I'm sorry, but I don't like Cyborg in my Justice League; nope, nope, nope. I like him better as a Titan, for one thing, but the other is that I'm sick of DC always giving Martian Manhunter the shaft.
 
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Oh I'd rather have Manhunter than Cyborg by a long shot, but I kinda just rolled with him as it's in the line of expectancy... If Cyborg doesn't NEED to be a JL member, then I'm totally fine with him not being so. Add a different one then. My point was mainly that I hope the JL film essentially becomes a dual WW/Aquaman film. The rest I don't care too much for either way. Although I think Cyborg could be really damn cool.

Please no tie-ins to arrow/flashverse though. I liked Amell as Green Arrow and they can keep him, but arrow's season 2 was pretty terrible imo. And I can't stand the guy they chose for Flash.
 
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I only liked 3 Marvel shows- X-Men TAS, Wolverine and the X-Men, and Spectacular Spider-man.

I think they are using Cyborg, because he offers a better balance power-wise, adds racial diversity, relateable for adolescents, helpful to introduce audiences to foreign concepts, and is an average human. The problem for me is I don't like him. I wish Deathstroke killed him in the Judas Contract, and DC forgot about him. I'm just kidding.

I hate Arrow, and hope it doesn't tie into the DCCU. From what I'VE seen, the only reason people like it is they see costumes or comic book lore, and think it's great, despite any quality. I know it's just a vocal minority, but personally, I don't find any character or plot interesting, and think it looks ridiculous.
 
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I definitely think the racial diversity angle is at play (same reason we got Stewart GL in the cartoons), but robots are also cool to kids. I don't mind Cyborg being in the JL. The JL had all kinds of members of its lifespan, and if Goyer thinks it's too silly for Manhunter to be involved for whatever reason, then they've got lots of other guys they can go to, be it Red Tornado, or Atom, or Hawkman, or Cyborg, or Zataana, or Vibe, or whomever.
 
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I agree! They have so many good characters. I was kidding about Cyborg. There's not really any DC hero from pre-New 52, I don't like.
 
Re: Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice

No, dammit, Goyer can shove his anti-Martian bigotry right up his ***. MM is pretty much Superman if you replaced his heat vision, freeze breath, and X-Ray vision with Telepathy, intangibility, invisibility, and the ability to shape shift. So, basically, he's Superman if he was more badass. Hell, they could even twist his origin to where the Government was experimenting on him to try and make him their own weapon against Superman.
 
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Martian Manhunter is a martian manhunter... I don't see how it needs to be sold anymore than that. He's an insanely powerful martian, that man-hunts. I personally don't always fancy his costume, but everything else is awesome and after seeing how freakin brilliant Snyder portrays alien worlds, I really want martian manhunter in this DCCU. Don't really care what Goyer said, people can say a lot of **** for a lot of reasons that they might not even truly mean.

However, I don't think he should be within the first JL team members, unless we're getting 7 members. And I find 7 for the first film too many, I'd say. 5 to me is the best team number, and I remain of the opinion that Sups, Bats, WW, Aquaman and either Flash, GL or Cyborg, is the most organic first team setup... ny of those last three I'd be fine with as the last member, but I think a team of 5 works just that little much better in terms of screen real estate then 6. And having MM as the fifth member? Dunno, too many aliens imo. I'd prefer it if Clarke is the only founding member alien.

I'd take it to space, off-world, off the earth in subsequent films and add MM then.
 
Re: Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice

No, dammit, Goyer can shove his anti-Martian bigotry right up his ***. MM is pretty much Superman if you replaced his heat vision, freeze breath, and X-Ray vision with Telepathy, intangibility, invisibility, and the ability to shape shift. So, basically, he's Superman if he was more badass. Hell, they could even twist his origin to where the Government was experimenting on him to try and make him their own weapon against Superman.

THIS..... this is GOOD
 
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Would definitely support Jon Kent's position in Man of Steel so for that reason I'm aye-okay with it as well.:lol
 
Re: Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice

No, dammit, Goyer can shove his anti-Martian bigotry right up his ***. MM is pretty much Superman if you replaced his heat vision, freeze breath, and X-Ray vision with Telepathy, intangibility, invisibility, and the ability to shape shift. So, basically, he's Superman if he was more badass. Hell, they could even twist his origin to where the Government was experimenting on him to try and make him their own weapon against Superman.

Ohhh, I like.

Government uses Superman to keep an eye on Batman and MM to spy on Superman.
 
Re: Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice

No, dammit, Goyer can shove his anti-Martian bigotry right up his ***. MM is pretty much Superman if you replaced his heat vision, freeze breath, and X-Ray vision with Telepathy, intangibility, invisibility, and the ability to shape shift. So, basically, he's Superman if he was more badass.

Mhm not really, he doesn't have anywhere near the strength Supes has, nor he can fly as fast as him.

But yes, Goyer can shove his anti-Matian/She-Hulk ignorance up his culo.
 
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. . .and Batman to spy on Manhunter, so they all cross paths and hijinks ensue!

Seriously though, maybe Goyer will be more open to using Jemm over Manhunter, as the former is a more "gritty and realistic" alien.
 
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Maybe Batman finds out that Superman is a ********* and that the government knows this and is trying to hide it so Batman will need to do whatever it takes to reveal Superman's truth to the rest of the world and bring down the corrupt government that is protecting him for their own nefarious needs.
 
Re: Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice

Maybe Batman finds out that Superman is a ********* and that the government knows this and is trying to hide it so Batman will need to do whatever it takes to reveal Superman's truth to the rest of the world and bring down the corrupt government that is protecting him for their own nefarious needs.

which is perfect because batman will try to lure him with this:

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This is making so much sense now. THAT'S why they gave bieber the script of BatmanVSuperman.....wow :horror :goodpost:
 
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