Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice (March 24th, 2016)

[a-dev]

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This is why I roll my eyes at the MOS 'real world' set-up. How the **** does something like Shazam fit into that? Or Green Lantern, Wonder Woman, Aquaman, any of them really.
They're so afraid of looking like they're copying Marvel and yet they've got some of the most absurd characters that could possibly be and they want to try to set them in some sort of plausible context. In itself, ridiculous.

 

[GasparZizou]

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How's this about the real world setup?

There's no realism when there's a flying alien I hardly, if at all, see the realism card brought up as something to describe or defend MoS around here.

Or if you mean the "what would happen if any of those characters existed in our real world" situation, I find that very easy to imagine fitting in.

 

[a-dev]

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How's this about the real world setup?

There's no realism when there's a flying alien I hardly, if at all, see the realism card brought up as something to describe or defend MoS around here.

Or if you mean the "what would happen if any of those characters existed in our real world" situation, I find that very easy to imagine fitting in.

MOS was set up in our real world. Human-kind having never encountered an alien-race before and no other superheroes. That's how it was described before the film came out by the filmmakers.

 

[GasparZizou]

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Yeah, but I still don't see why it'd be so difficult for these characters to fit in that set up.

I don't know about you but I often fantasize about how would it be if Superheroes really existed.

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

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MOS was set up in our real world. Human-kind having never encountered an alien-race before and no other superheroes.

Isn't that every superhero movie ever made though?

 

[GasparZizou]

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Isn't that every superhero movie ever made though?

Yeah

Maybe not the Burton films, BF and B&R, those were kinda surreal... And GotG, but most of them, like X-men, Iron man etc etc, I think those are.

 

[jye4ever]

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I don't know about you but I often fantasize about Nam and jye dressed like female hookers.

Wait...wut.

 

[GasparZizou]

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[thenammagazine]

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Yeah, but I still don't see why it'd be so difficult for these characters to fit in that set up.

I don't know about you but I often fantasize about how would it be if Superheroes really existed.

I think the word he was looking for was Nolanesque. The gritty "realism" for lack of a better word that Nolan used for his Dark Knight trilogy, almost as if they're embarrassed by the very nature of these characters vs. Marvel's complete embracing of them.

 

[a-dev]

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I think the word he was looking for was Nolanesque. The gritty "realism" for lack of a better word that Nolan used for his Dark Knight trilogy, almost as if they're embarrassed by the very nature of these characters vs. Marvel's complete embracing of them.

Yeah pretty much. The serious take. How do you do that for some of these characters, most of them in fact. It worked to an extent with Batman, a smidge with Superman, but now they're suddenly throwing everyone into the mix together in this same gritty world....it is the core of my scepticism about this whole DC enterprise. Their relatively humourless approach to it all despite having arguably the most absurd characters in all of Superhero-dom.

 

[karamazov80]

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My skepticism stems from the fact that they haven't been able to tell good stories apart from the Nolan stuff. If they want to take a humorless, even joyless (like MOS) approach, it could work in theory. But they have to be good storytellers. If you try to do a comedy but don't have a good grasp of humor (Green Lantern), it won't work. Or, if you try to tell a story presumably about heroism and hope, from the most basic of all superheroes, yet bombard the film with grim undertones, convoluted and unnecessary subplots, and bizarre situations (tornado suicide) and odd juxtapositions (Zod's neck snap followed by smug, veiled threats to the U.S. military), then it won't work.

 

[chewblacca]

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Karamzov, you just explained everything I found wrong with Man of Steel perfectly.

 

[jye4ever]

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My skepticism stems from the fact that they haven't been able to tell good stories apart from the Nolan stuff. If they want to take a humorless, even joyless (like MOS) approach, it could work in theory. But they have to be good storytellers. If you try to do a comedy but don't have a good grasp of humor (Green Lantern), it won't work. Or, if you try to tell a story presumably about heroism and hope, from the most basic of all superheroes, yet bombard the film with grim undertones, convoluted and unnecessary subplots, and bizarre situations (tornado suicide) and odd juxtapositions (Zod's neck snap followed by smug, veiled threats to the U.S. military), then it won't work.

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[Khev]

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My skepticism stems from the fact that they haven't been able to tell good stories apart from the Nolan stuff. If they want to take a humorless, even joyless (like MOS) approach, it could work in theory. But they have to be good storytellers. If you try to do a comedy but don't have a good grasp of humor (Green Lantern), it won't work. Or, if you try to tell a story presumably about heroism and hope, from the most basic of all superheroes, yet bombard the film with grim undertones, convoluted and unnecessary subplots, and bizarre situations (tornado suicide) and odd juxtapositions (Zod's neck snap followed by smug, veiled threats to the U.S. military), then it won't work.

If you go back and read that one Goyer interview he basically portrayed himself as someone who has contempt for superhero fans (I believe he openly chastised anyone who had heard of Martian Manhunter as being a lifelong virgin) and someone who was bullied and beat up well into his teens. And then he writes a story about a guy who gets bullied as a kid but grows into a godlike gift to all women who snaps necks of adult bullies, destroys their trucks, and smugly tells everyone else to eff off. I know Snyder wanted Jesus parallels but Goyer injected too much of his own loser-ish self into the story and mucked it all up.

 

[thenammagazine]

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At the end of the day there's a WB/DC stamp on it.

 

[GasparZizou]

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If you go back and read that one Goyer interview he basically portrayed himself as someone who has contempt for superhero fans (I believe he openly chastised anyone who had heard of Martian Manhunter as being a lifelong virgin) and someone who was bullied and beat up well into his teens. And then he writes a story about a guy who gets bullied as a kid but grows into a godlike gift to all women who snaps necks of adult bullies, destroys their trucks, and smugly tells everyone else to eff off. I know Snyder wanted Jesus parallels but Goyer injected too much of his own loser-ish self into the story and mucked it all up.

Completely agree with that.

Which is why the fact Terrio rewrote the hole thing makes me very optimistic about BvS and the universe in general.

But then you hear crap like Shazam not being part of the universe

 

[thenammagazine]

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Completely agree with that.

Which is why the fact Terrio rewrote the hole thing makes me very optimistic about BvS and the universe in general.

But then you hear crap like Shazam not being part of the universe

Let's hope BvS fixes all the wrong that was MoS. Then people really won't care about a kid and his magic lightning man. As it is, it's ****ing mindboggling that out of all the characters in their stable and a JLA movie inbound, they didn't pick one of them, but instead picked Shazam and Sandman. That would've been like Marvel doing Iron Man and then following it up with Sleepwalker and Darkhawk.

 

[jye4ever]

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If BvsS fails, WB will be selling DC to Marvel.

This movie better make at the very least Avengers box office numbers, at the very least.

Not even Avengers 2 mind you.

 

[batfan08]

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Goyer's problem is that he's pretty good at coming up with plots; the "big picture" kind of stuff, but when it comes to the real character defining stuff, the dude blows more than his mind's version of She-Hulk does.

 

[GasparZizou]

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Let's hope BvS fixes all the wrong that was MoS. Then people really won't care about a kid and his magic lightning man. As it is, it's ****ing mindboggling that out of all the characters in their stable and a JLA movie inbound, they didn't pick one of them, but instead picked Shazam and Sandman. That would've been like Marvel doing Iron Man and then following it up with Sleepwalker and Darkhawk.

I know super weird choices, I'm a huge Shazam fan but I would've thought any of the more well known characters would've been a more logical choice.