Been unemployed for a long time and brooding quietly in my room

[The Ween]

porn stars have the best jobs, the greatest satisfaction, and they dont really do anything that hard

That's so funny.

 

[WWEJedi]

Good for you in wanting a job that has attached to it a degree of exclusivity, but don't automatically presume that whatever it is you decide to do will 'matter' or 'make a difference' any more than the job of barista or mechanic. You're not being mean in presuming this, you're being naive. Why do you presume that someone who works on your car isn't proud of what they're doing? Would you prefer to have your coffee made or have your car serviced by someone who thinks their station is beneath them, or by someone who takes pride in their work?

The woman who works 16 hours a day sewing people's clothes and scrubbing people's toilets so she can afford to give her children the opportunities she never had, and the chance to pursue dreams she will never realise... is hers a job that doesn't matter and doesn't make a difference?

The man who gathers supermarket trollies in the carpark so he doesn't resort to stealing to support his heroin habit - is his a job that doesn't matter and doesn't make a difference?

Or the guy who pushes a broom all week because he is comfortable in the expectations of the job and gets left alone to daydream about the weekend when he gets to go fishing?

It's up to you to give your work meaning and make it matter, not the other way round.

I was saying I wouldn't be proud or feel accomplished doing those jobs, me personally. Not many jobs where I would actually feel proud doing and the chance of me attaining those jobs are slim to none, doesn't mean I won't try to reach those. I am sure there are people who are very proud of what they do and take pride in there work and I don't look down on the guy who bags groceries or the girl serving coffee, but, when making an argument about the historical scope of personal/human relevancy.... those jobs in the end don't matter, same with the ones you listed. Do those jobs matter now, in a way yes because you could you make an argument that every action done adds up to a point of mattering (not the best choice of words here, but it gets my point across).... sure.

For example, let's put a date on these jobs.


The woman who works 16 hours a day in 1966 sewing people's clothes and scrubbing people's toilets so she can afford to give her children the opportunities she never had, and the chance to pursue dreams she will never realise...

The man who gathered supermarket trollies in 1987 from the carpark so he doesn't resort to stealing to support his heroin habit -

Or the guy who pushed a broom all week in 1922 because he is comfortable in the expectations of the job and gets left alone to daydream about the weekend when he gets to go fishing?

Now do those actions back then matter today?

 

[Medusoid]

Sadly, I know the feeling all too well.

Due to circumstances beyond my control, I haven't been employed for a long, long time. I'm a college drop out with no real skills, so nobody wants to hire me now. I'm pretty close to giving up entirely.

 

[epitaph04]

I just want to make money. That's all that ultimately matters.

 

[WWEJedi]

WEEJedi is in for a very rude awakening when real life hits him in the face. He still has the naive outlook on his future that a lot of young people have until they actually experience life on their own. Wanting to be unique is a disease that has infected an entire generation that has been told by everyone that they are special. I interview people in their 20's all the time and the vast majority of them don't want an entry-level job--regardless of their actual qualifications. They want big money for the least amount of work and if you don't give it to them then you don't see how smart/talented/personable/experienced they really are and it's your loss. Except, not really.

I'm not special, not yet. You aren't special either. You are wrong to assume things, let's hope you don't have this same attitude when interviewing those 20 year olds, if you do.... you are tainting the process.

Either way, I don't expect to automatically deserve to be handed a $50,000 job right out of school, I expect to be given a $50,000 job right out of school based on my past work, accomplishments, resume, interview process, degree and a variety of other things.

There wont be an awakening when u have a wealthy family to fall back on.
Coming from wealthy family is not bad, but that naive mindset you guys are talking about will never end. Wee might probably have the mind of a teen forever. Just look at justin bieber...

Eh, not really. I rise to the occasion everytime I need to. I don't expect to have a rude awakening or fall back on anything... I always come out on top. Not over confident, but it is the truth. I am not naive, more hopeful, more confident than most here it seems. So, call me what you want, I did my research on jobs to a good extent, I expect to have a good rich meaningful life.

 

[GeneralZodLives]

I'm not special, not yet. You aren't special either. You are wrong to assume things, let's hope you don't have this same attitude when interviewing those 20 year olds, if you do.... you are tainting the process.

Either way, I don't expect to automatically deserve to be handed a $50,000 job right out of school, I expect to be given a $50,000 job right out of school based on my past work, accomplishments, resume, interview process, degree and a variety of other things.

I'm not assuming anything. I take all the information you give me in your posts and come to a logical conclusion based on what you say. You like to say one thing then try to down play what you said when someone calls you out on it--especially when others agree with that person. You're young. You have no actual life experience to back up the odds of your education/career plan because you've just started. You should pay attention to those who have life experiences beyond yours, regardless of age, gender, or vocation instead of assuming that you have any special insight that they don't. Am I special? No, I certainly wouldn't be crass enough to label myself as special. What I am is very successful and worked very hard to become so. I've lived dirt poor, pay check to pay check, wondering if I was going to eat that week or if I should use the money for rent/gas/utilities instead. Now I make a very substantial living and have helped build a multi-million dollar business outside of the field in which I got my degree. I had a very detailed plan, like you, for what my life was going to be. Turns out life had a different plan. However, what I did was adapt to what was thrown at me and made it work. I'm not successful doing what I thought I'd be doing, but the end result is the same because I did whatever I had to because I didn't want to live the way I was living. I've worked crap jobs and learned some good lessons from them. From what I've read from your posts throughout this forum, you're like the kids I see that come in all the time for a job. You think you're smarter than you are and you haven't had to work for anything in a manner in which that actually means something. I think you say things without thinking and try to convince others that you didn't mean it that way when you realize that isn't the status quo. Deep down, I think you do because you've said too many things in too many different threads that support that view. I think you could stand to learn a little empathy for others that don't have it as good as you do.

But, what do I know? Maybe you'll do great. I'm sure your family will try to make sure that happens, regardless of whether or not you actually earn it. Maybe, and I actually hope this is what happens, you'll fail and find out what kind of person you really are.

 

[hockeyflow33]

I'm not special, not yet. You aren't special either. You are wrong to assume things, let's hope you don't have this same attitude when interviewing those 20 year olds, if you do.... you are tainting the process.

Either way, I don't expect to automatically deserve to be handed a $50,000 job right out of school, I expect to be given a $50,000 job right out of school based on my past work, accomplishments, resume, interview process, degree and a variety of other things.



Eh, not really. I rise to the occasion everytime I need to. I don't expect to have a rude awakening or fall back on anything... I always come out on top. Not over confident, but it is the truth. I am not naive, more hopeful, more confident than most here it seems. So, call me what you want, I did my research on jobs to a good extent, I expect to have a good rich meaningful life.

You're in for an incredibly rude awakening when you come out of college, like many people going into or in college now. You're being taught that somehow because you've wasted hundreds of thousands of dollars on education you're entitled to a high paying job. Unless you're working on a finance degree from a major school the odds of you getting a high paying job are slim to none.

This is coming from someone with an MBA and went to a different law school. I've worked in corporate america, interviewed and hired people and now run my own business. Look at what everyone with life experience has been telling you, they've all said the same thing and yet you, with no real world experience, know better than everyone. Not sure why you thing that is a successful attitude but you're certainly welcome to think what you want however misinformed it it.

Like others have said, there is a desperate, desperate need for good tradespeople. Carpenters, plumbers, hvac, general contractors, etc. They are so hard to find and to find honest, hard working an reliable ones are almost impossible. If you're choosing between a solid trade or getting a liberal arts degree, it shouldn't be a difficult choice.

 

[ali032373]

i remeber hearing a kanye west song on the album "college drop out" where he quit his job at the Gap cuz he "couldnt shine on $6.55".

There are sever larger issues:
1. we have to large degree embraced a fair work ethic (ex- working 12 hrs at a cannery for min wage is considered almost inhumane). That fair work ethic has morphed into "im entitled to be happy at my job and earn a comfortable living". And thats regardless of experience or education.

2. Much of the status and bling we all see on tv/magazines is an illision meant to convince others of status. Many of the celebs rent homes, jewelry, cars, etc. to give the appearance of wealth. Or if they do own they are so leveraged to an incredible degree. "I want that. Why cant i have it?" sets in.

3. The concept of delayed gratification is all but gone. Few are willing to wait to buy (usually unnecessary) things. When i was a kid someone having a credit card was a big deal. It meant you were stable and trusted by a bank. Now they give you one at the school bookstore when you turn 18. Kids looking to buy the latest X rack up tons of consumer debt before theyre 21 or have a real job.

My .02. Guess im venting now.

 

[WWEJedi]

I'm not assuming anything. I take all the information you give me in your posts and come to a logical conclusion based on what you say. You like to say one thing then try to down play what you said when someone calls you out on it--especially when others agree with that person.

I think you say things without thinking and try to convince others that you didn't mean it that way when you realize that isn't the status quo. Deep down, I think you do because you've said too many things in too many different threads that support that view. I think you could stand to learn a little empathy for others that don't have it as good as you do.

Ahhh.... first I am a liar on this forum about my life. My pictures proved I was telling the truth.

Then I am a troll. Still here.

Then I am crazy with all the PT stuff.... and not even three months later people are using the same arguement I had to back up there claims... and now they see what point I was making.

Then I am wrong on everything.... but I prove them wrong... and they go to great lengths to block me.

Then I am accused of playing the victim... oh man....

Now I downplay everything and try to fit with the status quo

What am I then? You should know better I don't try to fit in. Making friends is easy on the internet. I don't want friends on the internet, that is why I speak my mind every single time I click reply. Come on, me... a follower on this site... you know that isn't true.

As far as empathy... I don't brag about what I have. Someone asked, so I told. Not my fault with how people twist words or take a simple statement.

You're young. You have no actual life experience to back up the odds of your education/career plan because you've just started. You should pay attention to those who have life experiences beyond yours, regardless of age, gender, or vocation instead of assuming that you have any special insight that they don't. Am I special? No, I certainly wouldn't be crass enough to label myself as special. What I am is very successful and worked very hard to become so. I've lived dirt poor, pay check to pay check, wondering if I was going to eat that week or if I should use the money for rent/gas/utilities instead. Now I make a very substantial living and have helped build a multi-million dollar business outside of the field in which I got my degree. I had a very detailed plan, like you, for what my life was going to be. Turns out life had a different plan. However, what I did was adapt to what was thrown at me and made it work. I'm not successful doing what I thought I'd be doing, but the end result is the same because I did whatever I had to because I didn't want to live the way I was living. I've worked crap jobs and learned some good lessons from them.

Good for you, but sometimes.... plans do go according to plan. I expect mine to.

You think you're smarter than you are

Hmmm..... no... I think I have my intelligence measured correctly.

and you haven't had to work for anything in a manner in which that actually means something.

True, I have been handed everything. I have a great oppurtunity and I expect to take full advantage of it.

But, what do I know? Maybe you'll do great. I'm sure your family will try to make sure that happens, regardless of whether or not you actually earn it. Maybe, and I actually hope this is what happens, you'll fail and find out what kind of person you really are.

See... this is the problem... I haven't (and certainly won't) tell everyone my whole story. My life has been far from perfect or far from the little stories I am sure you all made up in your head about me....

I know what person I am, I don't show it on this forum, maybe if you ever met me in real life and talked to me outside of a virtual screen you would know.

 

[GeneralZodLives]

Ahhh.... first I am a liar on this forum about my life. My pictures proved I was telling the truth.

Then I am a troll. Still here.

Then I am crazy with all the PT stuff.... and not even three months later people are using the same arguement I had to back up there claims... and now they see what point I was making.

Then I am wrong on everything.... but I prove them wrong... and they go to great lengths to block me.

Then I am accused of playing the victim... oh man....

Now I downplay everything and try to fit with the status quo

What am I then? You should know better I don't try to fit in. Making friends is easy on the internet. I don't want friends on the internet, that is why I speak my mind every single time I click reply. Come on, me... a follower on this site... you know that isn't true.

As far as empathy... I don't brag about what I have. Someone asked, so I told. Not my fault with how people twist words or take a simple statement.



Good for you, but sometimes.... plans do go according to plan. I expect mine to.



Hmmm..... no... I think I have my intelligence measured correctly.



True, I have been handed everything. I have a great oppurtunity and I expect to take full advantage of it.



See... this is the problem... I haven't (and certainly won't) tell everyone my whole story. My life has been far from perfect or far from the little stories I am sure you all made up in your head about me....

I know what person I am, I don't show it on this forum, maybe if you ever met me in real life and talked to me outside of a virtual screen you would know.

This is a perfect example of what I'm talking about. Even if you don't want to hear it from me, you should stop talking and listen to the other people in this thread. You don't even realize that you're exactly like every other kid that thinks they know everything. You think you're smarter than you are. You think because you say something, it's true. You think because you made a plan that it'll work out that way. You consider the idea of having "internet friends" as something that is somehow "less than" even though that couldn't be further from the truth. Every place you go in the real world and every website you're on is an opportunity to meet someone that may be able to help you out (or someone that you can help). That's not something anyone should blatantly disregard. Regarding your speaking your mind, people can speak their mind and not alienate people--which is a skill you should learn. Hopefully at some point your massive ego will get a reality check and you'll have to learn some social skills that will help you instead of hinder you.

As for meeting you in real life, if this forum is anything to go by, I can only imagine how infuriating you must be in person. My tolerance for ******** is zero so as soon as you opened your mouth I'd probably hit my limit. And, if this persona you've crafted on this forum isn't the real you, then why bother coming here at all if you're faking everything? Just to troll? If that's the case then your ban was warranted. Hopefully another much more permanent one is in the near future.

 

[Darth Snoopy]

It's rarely that easy. Even for people with advanced degrees. Having a doctorate -- which I do -- isn't a ticket to falling ass-backward into $70K or $100K a year. It takes time. You have to prove you're worth it. The education alone isn't enough to prove your value, it's usually just enough to get you past the basic requirements for the job you're applying for. And, if you have an advanced degree -- especially from a prestigious school -- you'll be starting out with six-figures of debt. That's a much heavier weight to carry than you'd think.

Advanced degrees can be valuable. But, they're not the easy ticket some make them out to be.

Also, don't expect a pension. Ever. Pensions mostly a thing of the past, except in a few union professions ... and, even those are on the way out. You should expect to save for your own retirement, not for some company to want to pay you not to work. It doesn't work that way anymore.

SnakeDoc

Far too many young people have unrealistic expectations when it comes to life after college.

 

[Darth Madden]

I think a lot of people look down on trade schools as if it's not prestigious like going to college. Most of the people I know that skipped college and learned a trade are doing just fine and are generally better off since they don't have a ton of debt. Not to say college isn't worth it, but depending on what you plan to do for a living, it's not for everyone. I'm so disgusted by the college system in America for becoming too much of a business. Everything is about making money. Tuition, housing, books--they're all way overpriced for what you actually get out of them. Getting financial aid for school is an even bigger racket with ridiculous interest rates and fees that guarantee you'll spend a couple decades paying them off. It's starting college kids off behind the 8-ball and not enough is done to make sure those kids will get jobs, much less jobs that will pay them enough to live comfortably and still pay off their debt.

You must listen to Mike Rowe.

 

[YoNoSe]

While I'm not really sure what the OP's verdict is, I have to say I'm impressed with the Freaks who've made an honest effort to drop the knowledge in this thread.

 

[GeneralZodLives]

You must listen to Mike Rowe.

I've only seen a couple episodes of Dirty Jobs. I'd give a couple of them a shot but most would probably make me cry.

 

[Darth Madden]

I've only seen a couple episodes of Dirty Jobs. I'd give a couple of them a shot but most would probably make me cry.

No I mean what he is talking about now with college vs trade schools.. you basically quoted every word he says.

 

[GeneralZodLives]

No I mean what he is talking about now with college vs trade schools. Kids today need to listen to his message a lot more.

Oh, I didn't know he did that but it makes sense. Hopefully he reaches some kids that need to hear it. Kids need to know its not college or nothing.

 

[ChunkyZergling]

I was saying I wouldn't be proud or feel accomplished doing those jobs, me personally. Not many jobs where I would actually feel proud doing and the chance of me attaining those jobs are slim to none, doesn't mean I won't try to reach those. I am sure there are people who are very proud of what they do and take pride in there work and I don't look down on the guy who bags groceries or the girl serving coffee, but, when making an argument about the historical scope of personal/human relevancy.... those jobs in the end don't matter, same with the ones you listed. Do those jobs matter now, in a way yes because you could you make an argument that every action done adds up to a point of mattering (not the best choice of words here, but it gets my point across).... sure.

For example, let's put a date on these jobs.


The woman who works 16 hours a day in 1966 sewing people's clothes and scrubbing people's toilets so she can afford to give her children the opportunities she never had, and the chance to pursue dreams she will never realise...

The man who gathered supermarket trollies in 1987 from the carpark so he doesn't resort to stealing to support his heroin habit -

Or the guy who pushed a broom all week in 1922 because he is comfortable in the expectations of the job and gets left alone to daydream about the weekend when he gets to go fishing?

Now do those actions back then matter today?

Godammit. You're so immature and stupid. You want to make a difference? Join the Peace Corp and stfu.

 

[Darth Madden]

You know wwejedi, I am going to commend you for having high expectations for yourself. That is a great thing to have and not very common these days so good for you.

I am also going to give you some advice even if you don't want to hear it. Every one of us was you at one point. We all wanted the great paying job and we were all going to work to get it. But then life hits you in the face. The real world keeps score. The real world has winners and losers. There are no participation trophy's in the real world. It's fine to expect great things from yourself but just keep in mind that things rarely go as you think and have a plan for when that happens.

And one thing I'd like to punch you in the face about is thinking that those lesser jobs don't matter now. They sure mattered to those people and their families. I would bet there are Dr's and scientists and CEO's and world class athletets who are the result of their grandparents or great grandparents taking those "meaningless" jobs. I'll even bet there is somebody in your family history who had one of those jobs. Any person who is getting paid and is taking care of themselves and families deserves to be respected.

 

[WWEJedi]

I guess some here can't understand a philosophical discussion. Or they just twist my words when I have repeatedly said every job matters and I appreciate every job people around the world do.

I have been called stupid, immature, and have been told "I'd like to punch you in the face." I thought threats and name calling were against forum rules? But let me guess.... since they are directed at me... the mods will let it slide... right? Prove me wrong.

 

[WWEJedi]

This is a perfect example of what I'm talking about. Even if you don't want to hear it from me, you should stop talking and listen to the other people in this thread. You don't even realize that you're exactly like every other kid that thinks they know everything. You think you're smarter than you are. You think because you say something, it's true. You think because you made a plan that it'll work out that way. You consider the idea of having "internet friends" as something that is somehow "less than" even though that couldn't be further from the truth. Every place you go in the real world and every website you're on is an opportunity to meet someone that may be able to help you out (or someone that you can help). That's not something anyone should blatantly disregard. Regarding your speaking your mind, people can speak their mind and not alienate people--which is a skill you should learn. Hopefully at some point your massive ego will get a reality check and you'll have to learn some social skills that will help you instead of hinder you.

As for meeting you in real life, if this forum is anything to go by, I can only imagine how infuriating you must be in person. My tolerance for ******** is zero so as soon as you opened your mouth I'd probably hit my limit. And, if this persona you've crafted on this forum isn't the real you, then why bother coming here at all if you're faking everything? Just to troll? If that's the case then your ban was warranted. Hopefully another much more permanent one is in the near future.

Why are you so upset over this? Are you mad over something? Upset because I believe in myself? Consistently telling me it won't work out, it won't work out? That is pretty pathetic man. Why do you care so much about me? Just fascinating.