Been unemployed for a long time and brooding quietly in my room

[Darth Madden]

That's what you took from what I said? Never mind... your not worth it anymore Jedi. Do whatever you want to do and say whatever you want to say. I don't care anymore.

 

[CAhobbit]

I was saying I wouldn't be proud or feel accomplished doing those jobs, me personally. Not many jobs where I would actually feel proud doing and the chance of me attaining those jobs are slim to none, doesn't mean I won't try to reach those. I am sure there are people who are very proud of what they do and take pride in there work and I don't look down on the guy who bags groceries or the girl serving coffee, but, when making an argument about the historical scope of personal/human relevancy.... those jobs in the end don't matter, same with the ones you listed. Do those jobs matter now, in a way yes because you could you make an argument that every action done adds up to a point of mattering (not the best choice of words here, but it gets my point across).... sure.

For example, let's put a date on these jobs.


The woman who works 16 hours a day in 1966 sewing people's clothes and scrubbing people's toilets so she can afford to give her children the opportunities she never had, and the chance to pursue dreams she will never realise...

The man who gathered supermarket trollies in 1987 from the carpark so he doesn't resort to stealing to support his heroin habit -

Or the guy who pushed a broom all week in 1922 because he is comfortable in the expectations of the job and gets left alone to daydream about the weekend when he gets to go fishing?

Now do those actions back then matter today?

But you're assuming that those actions have zero impact in today's world. You simply cannot assume that what a person set in motion decades ago isn't still being felt in the present. Maybe the woman trying to give her family a better life raised the first female astronaut and that female astronaut inspired other girls to go into the science field that in turn are finding ways to better humanity in some way shape or form.

I don't think any one of us can assume anything when it comes to actions and the impact they can make. Some actions get more attention then others but frankly what a person did centuries ago (even the most minor) could have put into play a series of other actions that resonate today in some way shape or form.

You must listen to Mike Rowe.

I heart Mike Rowe. He is really the most well-known champion of the working class that is often looked down/frowned upon.

 

[WWEJedi]

Godammit. You're so immature and stupid. You want to make a difference? Join the Peace Corp and stfu.

You call me stupid yet... "I don't want to burden anyone in my rl with my brooding and growing bitterness." Instead of seeking help from the people that know you the best and can comfort, guide, and help you... you turn to some toy collectors on a forum (which, I will admit has offered nice advice). Ok.

Hope you figure it out.

 

[hockeyflow33]

I heart Mike Rowe. He is really the most well-known champion of the working class that is often looked down/frowned upon.

The craziest thing is that Rowe has never been a tradesman but he's such a vocal proponent of those key jobs. It's refreshing to see someone stand up for those jobs

 

[ChunkyZergling]

Why are you so upset over this? Are you mad over something? Upset because I believe in myself? Consistently telling me it won't work out, it won't work out? That is pretty pathetic man. Why do you care so much about me? Just fascinating.

Lemme ask you, what is a job that makes a difference? Being Oscar Schindler? Joining the Peace Corp? Helping out at a soup kitchen? Taking in homeless men, feeding and clothing them? Being a Noble Prize winning humanitarian? The middle three won't make you any money. You'll be poor and won't be able to afford a single statue. You want to do something unique? Sorry that's been taken.

If you're lucky you'll get a job that pays a liveable wage. Most of the people that worked at my Applebee's had bachelor's degrees, three were teachers working there in the summer to supplement their income, and a few had master's degrees. Many were over 30 making $75 a day.

You want to be remembered in 100 years? No way that'll happen to you or hardly ****ing anyone. Can you name me the Jack Nicholson's (you probably don't even know who he is), Tom Hanks, Bill Clintons, and Derek Jeters of 100 years ago. I can name like 5 people from 1916. What are you Achilies in the Trojan War wanting your name to be echoed through the generations?

How do these other jobs not matter? A server? You get to help people relax, enjoy their time off, be happy, and share a nice meal. A janitor? Buildings and every place would look like **** if it weren't for janitors keeping everything clean. Imagine a world with no janitors? Eww. How about a bus driver in the city? You help reduce green house gases, provide many people with their only means of transportation, and keep a city running. If there were no buse drivers NYC would shut down.

Go get a Ph.D. in 17th century French literature if you want a unique job. Let's see how finding a job in that field works out for you. And who would you be helping?

 

[franpincho]

Can't wait until he's banned again, but this time for good.

 

[GeneralZodLives]

Why are you so upset over this? Are you mad over something? Upset because I believe in myself? Consistently telling me it won't work out, it won't work out? That is pretty pathetic man. Why do you care so much about me? Just fascinating.

The fact that you think I'm upset shows how out of touch with people you are and proves to me that you look at what's wrong with others before acknowledging that the problem is you. I don't care about you in the sense that your family does. I'm not going to tell you that you're special and that you can do anything you put your mind to because I don't blow ******** up people's *****. I care that you're yet another young person that blames others, plays the victim, and, in your case, obviously has other issues that disable you from having a conversation with anyone that disagrees with you--and the world needs as few of your kind as possible. The world needs you to have realistic expectations and not put down others to get what you want out of life. It doesn't make you look intelligent. It doesn't make you look empathetic, or worldly, or informed. It makes you look like you don't understand what people do to get through life when they haven't been given everything they want. Some people have said that you may have social problems or a mental disorder. You're not proving them wrong. Saying you want to have a philosophical conversation isn't intimidating, but it shows that you don't understand what that means. You don't have any experience with the topic, which is evident because you haven't given any evidence to support your position--which I'm assuming from your posts is that people that work menial jobs can't be proud of them because they don't affect history. If you don't see what's wrong with that then there's no hope for you as a human being.

 

[Lejuan]

See this is what I like about you. I could never put in words what you did here. It would either come out nonsensical or hostile. Very well done.

I would like to add one of the most important jobs out there that most people wouldn't think of doing. Garbage men. Can you imagine what it would be like if we didn't have men and women who took on this dirty, smelly, back breaking work? It would get bad real quick. Thank you Mr. and Miss garbage collecter (real men of geeeeniuuus)

Thanks for the kind words

...my comments didn't quite resonate with Jedi though

I was saying I wouldn't be proud or feel accomplished doing those jobs, me personally. Not many jobs where I would actually feel proud doing and the chance of me attaining those jobs are slim to none, doesn't mean I won't try to reach those. I am sure there are people who are very proud of what they do and take pride in there work and I don't look down on the guy who bags groceries or the girl serving coffee, but, when making an argument about the historical scope of personal/human relevancy.... those jobs in the end don't matter, same with the ones you listed. Do those jobs matter now, in a way yes because you could you make an argument that every action done adds up to a point of mattering (not the best choice of words here, but it gets my point across).... sure.

For example, let's put a date on these jobs.


The woman who works 16 hours a day in 1966 sewing people's clothes and scrubbing people's toilets so she can afford to give her children the opportunities she never had, and the chance to pursue dreams she will never realise...

The man who gathered supermarket trollies in 1987 from the carpark so he doesn't resort to stealing to support his heroin habit -

Or the guy who pushed a broom all week in 1922 because he is comfortable in the expectations of the job and gets left alone to daydream about the weekend when he gets to go fishing?

Now do those actions back then matter today?

Well, you did say you "don't know how anyone could be proud doing a job millions upon millions do around the world". Perhaps you did mean to frame it as "me personally", but that's not how you wrote it and it's not how most others would understand it. You can't call others out for twisting your words when it's your own phrasing that's at fault.

I won't respond to the last points in your post, Alex (CAhobbit) and others have done that wonderfully. You claim you're not naive, but the things about which you claim to be so certain are things that no 20-something can meaningfully claim to be certain about. They make movies about this attitude. The folks in this thread are Mr Miyagi to your Daniel LaRusso.

I'm not assuming anything. I take all the information you give me in your posts and come to a logical conclusion based on what you say. You like to say one thing then try to down play what you said when someone calls you out on it--especially when others agree with that person. You're young. You have no actual life experience to back up the odds of your education/career plan because you've just started. You should pay attention to those who have life experiences beyond yours, regardless of age, gender, or vocation instead of assuming that you have any special insight that they don't. Am I special? No, I certainly wouldn't be crass enough to label myself as special. What I am is very successful and worked very hard to become so. I've lived dirt poor, pay check to pay check, wondering if I was going to eat that week or if I should use the money for rent/gas/utilities instead. Now I make a very substantial living and have helped build a multi-million dollar business outside of the field in which I got my degree. I had a very detailed plan, like you, for what my life was going to be. Turns out life had a different plan. However, what I did was adapt to what was thrown at me and made it work. I'm not successful doing what I thought I'd be doing, but the end result is the same because I did whatever I had to because I didn't want to live the way I was living. I've worked crap jobs and learned some good lessons from them. From what I've read from your posts throughout this forum, you're like the kids I see that come in all the time for a job. You think you're smarter than you are and you haven't had to work for anything in a manner in which that actually means something. I think you say things without thinking and try to convince others that you didn't mean it that way when you realize that isn't the status quo. Deep down, I think you do because you've said too many things in too many different threads that support that view. I think you could stand to learn a little empathy for others that don't have it as good as you do.

But, what do I know? Maybe you'll do great. I'm sure your family will try to make sure that happens, regardless of whether or not you actually earn it. Maybe, and I actually hope this is what happens, you'll fail and find out what kind of person you really are.

I suck at business

 

[WWEJedi]

Lemme ask you, what is a job that makes a difference? Being Oscar Schindler? Joking the Peace Corp? Helping out a soup kitchen? Taking in homeless men, feeding and clothing them? Being a Noble Prize winning humanitarian? The middle three won't make you any money. You'll be poor and won't be able to afford a single statue. You want to do something unique? Sorry that's been taken.

So much anger here.

If you're lucky you'll get a job that pays a liveable wage. Most of the people that worked my Applebee's had bachelor's degrees, two were teachers to supplement their income, and a few had master's degrees. Many were over 30 making $75 a day.

There it is again, that "you can't do it." Music to my ears.

You want to be remembered in 100 years? No way that'll happen to you or hardly ****ing anyone. Can you name me the Jack Nicholson's (you probably don't even know who he is), Tom Hanks, Bill Clintons, and Derek Jeters of 100 years ago. I can name like 5 people from 1916. What are you Achilies in the Trojan War wanting your name to be echoed through the generations?

Yeah, not hard. I love history, very easy to do.

1916 Jack Nicholson/Tom Hank - Douglas Fairbanks maybe? One of the more popualr actors at that time in 1916.
1916 Bill Clinton - Woodrow Wilson of course, one of my favorite presidents
1916 Derek Jeter - Babe Ruth, Tris Speaker, Walter Johnson

How do these other jobs not matter? A server? You get to help people relax, enjoy their time off, be happy, and share a nice meal. A janitor? Buildings and every place would look like **** if it weren't for janitors keeping everything clean. Imagine a world with no janitors? Eww. How about a bus driver in the city? You help reduce green house gases, provide many people with their only means of transportation, and keep a city running. If there were no buse drivers NYC would shut down.

See though... I said they do all matter. Multiple times, go back in my posts and read them. Questions were from a purely philosophical point of view. Almost a what if or why are we here type of questions. Only people who seem to get it is CAHobbit or Devilof.

Go get a Ph.D. in 17th century French literature

No thanks.

 

[crows]

working with the homeless makes a difference, working with animals makes a difference, picking up trash from the ground makes a big difference.... stuff like htat

 

[Sweet Rabbit]

Dude's got a lot to learn about the world...that's for sure

 

[crows]

the narcissism will make it really hard, crushing

 

[Lejuan]

Trade schools or skipping college is fine.... not good advice in my opinion for various reasons.... but does anyone actually get a job to be proud of it? Or have a job where you make a real difference? A job where what you do actually matters? Or is it all about the money? I mean, money is nice and all.... but at the end of the day I don't know how ...anyone could be proud doing a job millions upon millions do around the world like working at Starbucks or mechanic or any other "generic" job that in the small grand scheme of life... literally means nothing where the point of your existence.... becomes non-existent. Where whatever job one did year after year... becomes meaningless.

I want a job that is unique to only a few. A job that actually makes a difference and matters.

Your troubles began here.

 

[hockeyflow33]

Can't wait until he's banned again, but this time for good.

 

[Darth Madden]

Your troubles began here.

That might actually be one of the saddest comments I have ever read on any message board.

 

[crows]

Sadist
definition,
Psychiatry.
a person who has the condition of sadism, in which one receives sexual gratification from causing pain and degradation to another.

sounds about right

 

[Darth Madden]

DOH... typed too fast, that's not really what I meant but.....

 

[crows]

you still might be right

 

[FSLAR]

It still works, don't feel too bad Darth Madden

 

[Robopredinator]

ChunkyZergling, what type of degree do you have and what is your major?