Better Call Saul

[cilantropants]

Jimmy must have some success to end up in the position he's in come BrBa.

So the go-to sleazy, combover law prostitute for all of Albuquerque's most scuzzy of guilty-as-**** criminals is actually a success, instead of being a defeated bottom-feeding sharpshooter who knows the system is broken and how to exploit it?
No. This series, like Breaking Bad, will showcase a man becoming a monster. His only successes will come from keeping bad people safe.

 

[Collectorcol]

So you agree he becomes successful?
Well he's no longer in the back of the pedicure shop

 

[cilantropants]

I think we might have differing definitions of what success is.

 

[Sidewinder]

Jimmy has to fail at being a lawyer on the level for him to resort to working for criminals in BB.

HHM will stick their nose into this case because Chuck let Jimmy use his code for the printing. He's allowed him to use company resources for the case. Kim also stated that Chuck can work pro bono with another lawyer, but a case like this is too big for Chuck to not involve the firm. Somehow Jimmy will get shafted and HHM will take on the case.

So sad that we only have 2 episodes remaining.


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[cilantropants]

That makes great sense. If Jimmy ever had a case like this go in his favor, he never would have become Saul.
It's not wise to wish good things for Jimmy, likable as he can be. His destiny has already been written and we know how he ends up.

 

[DiFabio]

I never considered Saul a monster in Breaking Bad. Scummy, selfish and interested in self-preservation at all cost? Sure. But he wasn't a monster.

Walter White was a monster. He wasn't even that great of a guy in Season 1 to begin with, with all of his pride and blackmailing his former student into crime and such. Jimmy McGill/Saul Goodman? He has a heart of gold in comparison. In addition to all we've seen so far in Better Call Saul with the skater twins, the elderly, the Kettlemens, etc, he was vehemently against poisoning Brock, the anguish on his face when Walter White forces him to call Hank about Marie's accident is as plain as day. He helped Jesse help Andrea and Brock when he didn't even need too (he actually cared about them and their well being). He wasn't a "good" guy by any means, but he wasn't a monster or evil.

Where as "Heisenberg" persona was actually a facet of Walter White's character, "Saul Goodman" is just a facade. We see this break down in Season 5.

 

[cilantropants]

I said that more in reference to Walter and what BB was, but the point stands. That journey from light to dark is being repeated with Saul, and expecting good things and happy endings aren't really in the cards for him. We're meant to witness a man of promise become something drastically different.
This case is going to be the massive failure of his life that will be the catalyst that brings him to the dark side of the law, and how he loses all the people in his life that he cared for, and cared about him.

Then again, what kind of man chooses to work for monsters anyway?

 

[Collectorcol]

Jimmy has to fail at being a lawyer on the level for him to resort to working for criminals in BB.

Pretty sure Mike will lead him down that path.
Like I said he found success with 'Grey' Law then this case obviously blows up (he ain't no millionaire in BrBa but has a decent premises/business).
He will eventualy realise what he's good, and successful, at.

Right or wrong even the guilty need representation

 

[DiFabio]

I said that more in reference to Walter and what BB was, but the point stands. That journey from light to dark is being repeated with Saul, and expecting good things and happy endings aren't really in the cards for him. We're meant to witness a man of promise become something drastically different.
This case is going to be the massive failure of his life that will be the catalyst that brings him to the dark side of the law, and how he loses all the people in his life that he cared for, and cared about him.

Then again, what kind of man chooses to work for monsters anyway?

I got you, I got what you're saying.

There are so many instances where Saul could have betrayed his clients if it benefitted him or if he was threatened but never did. If Saul happened to be in the situation Jesse and Walt were in, he'd never have killed Gale or another "innocent" in cold blood. Sleazy as he was, he did have a moral compass.

When I think about it, there was that time when Mike and Gus were trying to hunt down Jesse to kill him. In retrospect, Saul could have been a rat and handed Jesse over to Mike for execution (considering the history he has with Mike). I remember back when I first saw the episode, that's exactly what I thought Saul had done. What did he do instead? He gives Mike the wrong address, buying Jesse and Walt time, even after his life and well being were threatened. The situation with Brock speaks volumes of the character. Walt knew if he had told Saul that he was poisoning Brock, Saul wouldn't have agreed to help poison a child. That's why Walt approached it in a different way.

 

[cilantropants]

True. He did hold onto much more of his decency and at least tried to reduce the violence where he could. But like I said, he knows what his worst clients do, and continues to enable them, even when he finds out after the fact what he's had a hand in.
Sure, it can be argued that it's out of self preservation. But does that really make him any better? He was deathly afraid of Walter by the end, I can see why he would just roll over for him.

 

[Sidewinder]

I got you, I got what you're saying.

There are so many instances where Saul could have betrayed his clients if it benefitted him or if he was threatened but never did. If Saul happened to be in the situation Jesse and Walt were in, he'd never have killed Gale or another "innocent" in cold blood. Sleazy as he was, he did have a moral compass.

When I think about it, there was that time when Mike and Gus were trying to hunt down Jesse to kill him. In retrospect, Saul could have been a rat and handed Jesse over to Mike for execution (considering the history he has with Mike). I remember back when I first saw the episode, that's exactly what I thought Saul had done. What did he do instead? He gives Mike the wrong address, buying Jesse and Walt time, even after his life and well being were threatened. The situation with Brock speaks volumes of the character. Walt knew of he had told Saul that he was poisoning Brock, Saul wouldn't have agreed to help poison a child. That's why Walt approached it in a different way.

Yes, Saul certainly is never as bad as Walt or Mike become. He has a conscience and there's only so far he's willing to go. He doesn't even want Walt as a client in the end, but he gets threatened and has no choice but to continue the business relationship with him.

Taking on Walt as a client was Saul's downfall. Even Mike, a man he's worked with over more than 6 years previously, ends up threatening him.

 

[Sidewinder]

Pretty sure Mike will lead him down that path.
Like I said he found success with 'Grey' Law then this case obviously blows up (he ain't no millionaire in BrBa but has a decent premises/business).
He will eventualy realise what he's good, and successful, at.

Right or wrong even the guilty need representation [emoji38]

Certainly seems like it will be better pay than Elder Law lol. I wonder how many of his elderly clients take forever to cough up their Will fees?

 

[DiFabio]

Saul knew Walt would off him if he didn't comply.

Look what Walt did to Jesse, his own "friend"/surrogate criminal son. If he was willing to do all those things to Jesse and literally hand him over, there's no telling what he'd do to Saul. Walt put a hit on all those inmates in prison and killed Mike, if Saul ever crossed him, he'd be a dead man. Saul was always the court jester in the show. His posse (Huell, Patrick and Francessca) were harmless. Deep down, and we see it towards the end of Breaking Bad, is the real Jimmy McGill. The flash forwards of him as Gene in Omaha gets sadder and sadder as BCS progresses.

You guys are dead on about him getting screwed over with this new, 20 million case. He's going to be betrayed by Kim and Chuck I think. He'll get to the point where he'll just say **** it and let "Slippin' Jimmy" have his day.

 

[dw316]

Hahaha, loved the Better Call Saul name drop on SVU just now! [emoji38]

 

[crows]

Saul knew Walt would off him if he didn't comply.

Look what Walt did to Jesse, his own "friend"/surrogate criminal son. If he was willing to do all those things to Jesse and literally hand him over, there's no telling what he'd do to Saul. Walt put a hit on all those inmates in prison and killed Mike, if Saul ever crossed him, he'd be a dead man. Saul was always the court jester in the show. His posse (Huell, Patrick and Francessca) were harmless. Deep down, and we see it towards the end of Breaking Bad, is the real Jimmy McGill. The flash forwards of him as Gene in Omaha gets sadder and sadder as BCS progresses.

You guys are dead on about him getting screwed over with this new, 20 million case. He's going to be betrayed by Kim and Chuck I think. He'll get to the point where he'll just say **** it and let "Slippin' Jimmy" have his day.

i dont even think he will get betrayed by her, it could be as simple as her having to go against him because her career would be finished if she doesn't, or something like that.

maybe she shouldn't have looked that information or do him that favor... as for Chuck, I dont know if he will betray him

 

[Sidewinder]

I don't know whether Kim or Chuck would betray Jimmy. Chuck is a partner in the law firm and he must have some contract with them. He would likely be sued if he was to work on a case with such high damages as $20 million without the firm's involvement.

Kim helped them print out information with the case, she could get in trouble with the firm for her involvement. We've already seen that HHM is where Kim wants to be. She believes she's close to making partner. She wasn't interested in Jimmy's offer of going into partnership with him. If she's forced to make a choice, I think she is going to stick with HHM.




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[Chapter 2099]

I think Chuck will 'stick it' to Jimmy. I don't completely trust Chuck at the moment. I can't quite put my finger on why....

 

[cilantropants]

It was an odd twist at the end, Chuck being so engrossed with his work he forgot he had an illness. It will be hard for him to rationalize his absentmindedness and that it is all in his head. I think that's going to have a big impact on the direction of the case as well.

 

[Chapter 2099]

It was an odd twist at the end, Chuck being so engrossed with his work he forgot he had an illness. It will be hard for him to rationalize his absentmindedness and that it is all in his head. I think that's going to have a big impact on the direction of the case as well.

Yeah, I definitely think it'll come back to 'bite' Jimmy in the long run.

I was happy to see him keep it together for the lawyer 'meeting' in the last episode. I thought it was going to lose it, but then came together like a champ. And I think that's what kind of made me a bit 'washy' with him. I think his phobia is real, but is it going to cloud if morals somehow someway. It's a stretch, I know, but there's just something not adding up for me.

 

[cilantropants]

To clarify, like you said, it's a phobia, not the physical manifestation of an actual disease as he believes, and Jimmy supports. Otherwise that exposure would have put him on his knees regardless of whether he was paying attention or not.