Well it's unfortunate you feel that way but it doesn't change anything. You weren't a Star Wars fan during the "dark ages" from the late 80s to the mid 90s. I know it's hard for people that weren't around then to believe, but SW wasn't "cool" or hip or even talked about at all. It was essentially forgotten for almost a decade, and only the nerdiest of nerds kept it going by buying the only merch that was available: role playing games, novels, and comic books. Finally in 1995, Lucasfilm re-released the movies on VHS and everyone kinda said "Oh yeah, Star Wars...I remember." But some of us were around for those dark days, keeping the fire burning, and we were on message boards and newsgroups on the internet in its infancy, arguing about BS back then just like we are now.
As far as retcons go, it's a fact that Lucas retconned everything as he went. Darth Vader was not supposed to be Luke's father, and Leia sure as hell wasn't suppose to be his sister, and in no way was Star Wars ever supposed to be "the grand saga of the rise and fall of Anakin Skywalker." All that stuff came later.
With the original three movies, the only real mess happens in the last movie, when Lucas has to explain why Obi Wan lied (of course in the original movie he wasn't lying) and why in the world he would let Luke and Leia make out if they were brother and sister. That's a mess that can never be solved, unfortunately.
Things only got worse with the prequels, and he just kept piling on more crap. Obi Wan's age for example.
There are some things that are just indisputable, however.
One...Luke Skywalker had never seen or touched a lightsaber until Obi Wan gave him Anakin's saber in his hut.
Two....Leia had never met Obi Wan in person. She was sending the message to him out of sheer desperation.
Three: Obi Wan and Vader's history is ambiguous in Star Wars, but in ROTJ it's clear that they had not seen each other since their final fateful duel. Obi Wan doesn't need to SEE Vader in person to know who he is; he's famous around the galaxy as the Emperor's enforcer. He also knows for a fact he's more machine than man cause he left Anakin limbless. Put it together with "We meet again, at last. The circle is now complete. When I left you I was but the learner. Now, I am the master." and he could only be talking about the duel on Mustafar.
Retcons happen. They've been happening since the sequel to Star Wars got greenlit. But I think everyone was a bit more accepting of them, however stupid, as long as they were coming from Lucas himself. The fact that this is all just a bunch of fan-fic nonsense a corporation has thrown together to churn out more product makes it less than nothing in my eyes, the same as the "sequel trilogy.
With respect, I think people are missing my point.
Those are all possible retcons from within the original Star Wars Trilogy.
My point is, and always has been, that there is nothing in the "Obi-Wan Kenobi" leaks that contradicts or retcons anything in the established Star Wars story.
There are some things that are just indisputable, however.
One...Luke Skywalker had never seen or touched a lightsaber until Obi Wan gave him Anakin's saber in his hut.
This is never said or established. Not trying to be difficult, but it just isn't. If there is dialogue or something that states that Luke has
never seen or touched a Lightsaber before, then please provide it, because I don't think it exists.
Two....Leia had never met Obi Wan in person. She was sending the message to him out of sheer desperation.
Again, this is never said or established. If there is dialogue or something that states that Leia has never met Obi-Wan before, then please provide it. I don't quite understand the argument relating to the message being sent to him out of desperation either. Yes, she is desperate, but messages of desperation are not exclusively for people we don't know. You can send a message of desperation to someone that you know.
Three: Obi Wan and Vader's history is ambiguous in Star Wars, but in ROTJ it's clear that they had not seen each other since their final fateful duel. Obi Wan doesn't need to SEE Vader in person to know who he is; he's famous around the galaxy as the Emperor's enforcer. He also knows for a fact he's more machine than man cause he left Anakin limbless. Put it together with "We meet again, at last. The circle is now complete. When I left you I was but the learner. Now, I am the master." and he could only be talking about the duel on Mustafar.
Again, this is never said or established. If there is dialogue or something that states that the last time that Obi-Wan Kenobi and Darth Vader met before their duel on the Death Star was on Mustafar, then please provide it. If anything, ROTJ actually supports the notion that there
were other meetings between Mustafar and the Death Star. When Luke asks Vader "Come with me", Vader says "Obi-Wan once thought as you do" in response - this must have come from a confrontation other than Mustafar or the Death Star, because Obi-Wan makes no appeal to Vader to come with him during either of those moments.
Yes, there was a period of time in the late 80s and early 90s when Star Wars was seemingly forgotten, but I am not disputing that and not actually sure how and why that became part of the conversation, as it isn't relevant to the debate at hand regarding whether the plot leaks for "Obi-Wan Kenobi" retcon anything in the Star Wars story.
And, nobody has really responded to this with a concrete answer and tangible evidence to show that these leaks
do retcon plot points from the established story (other than one's own assumptions and unfounded conclusions as to what happened in the 19 years between "Revenge of the Sith" and "A New Hope"). The only argument I see is the fact that I "wasn't there at the beginning and when Star Wars wasn't cool". Yes... and that is relevant how exactly?
Put it this way, if the "Obi-Wan Kenobi" plot leaks are true, and the entire Star Wars saga was released in chronological order (ie. "Obi-Wan Kenobi" was released before "A New Hope"), then nothing that happens or is said in "A New Hope" would contradict anything that came before it in "Obi-Wan Kenobi", and nobody would bat an eyelid.
I get that people are down on Disney Star Wars. I feel a little down on it myself. I despise the Sequel Trilogy and, whilst I have not yet seen "The Book of Boba Fett", what I have heard does not fill me with much excitement or hope at all. But that doesn't mean that all Disney Star Wars content has to be crap; "Rebels" is a good show that really adds to the overall Star Wars story, "Rogue One" is great, "The Mandalorian" etc. etc. And it certainly doesn't mean that, just because it is being made by Disney, "Obi-Wan Kenobi" is going to retcon anything established in existing Star Wars content. The only thing it appears to be retconning at the moment are the ideas, assumptions and possibilities in people's heads.
