**Beware SPOILERS** Obi-Wan Kenobi Series on Disney+ **Beware SPOILERS**

[Khev]

I think I am prepared to say this is my favorite live-action portrayal of Darth Vader to date. And I was one of the ones who wasn’t eager initially for him to turn up.

I'd definitely put this portrayal above ROTJ which is pretty awesome in and of itself (but not ahead of ANH/ESB/RO.)

 

[Sassafras]

Obi-Wan's mercy is not only appropriate for a true Jedi, but leaving Anakin/Vader alive supports the interpretation that Luke was viewed as the "last hope" for something other than killing Vader. Killing Vader does *nothing* to usurp the Emperor. Y'know... the most powerful bad guy in terms of both the Force and political influence. If you think about it, having someone as powerful as Vader turning on Palpatine is really the only way to actually win.

I'd also add that Obi-Wan asked Yoda to be sent to take out Palps in ROTS; Anakin being like a brother to him, Obi never wanted to kill Anakin and carried the weight of guilt for feeling like he had failed Anakin.

So, IMO for me that was a nice moment - I can't tell if the Obi scene was some tiny remnant of good left in Anakin, freeing Obi-Wan from the weight of guilt; or it's the hallmark of the Dark Side so literally taking over Anakin that's it's as Yoda said, Anakin really is no more. I like the ambiguity of it (for me). Either way it freed Obi-Wan.

A shame all that was followed up with the whole sorry Reva thing, tho it was the first time I thought this woman can actually act. Except, yah know, for the fact she can even outdo Rey and SELF-heal like a T-1000, has ESP to know who Luke is, and would even chase after Luke after getting kicked to the curb.

I think I am prepared to say this is my favorite live-action portrayal of Darth Vader to date. And I was one of the ones who wasn’t eager initially for him to turn up.

I wasn't either - generally don't like rehash - but this was really well done.

 

[guyver1]

How about a Vader series set between ANH and ESB where Vader finds out about 'Skywalker'.

It’s been done to a degree in the Dark Horse Comic series

 

[Khev]

A shame all that was followed up with the whole sorry Reva thing, tho it was the first time I thought this woman can actually act. Except, yah know, for the fact she can even outdo Rey and SELF-heal like a T-1000, has ESP to know who Luke is, and would even chase after Luke after getting kicked to the curb.

I did think it was funny that in the few seconds that it took Vader's Star Destroyer to catch up with the Rebel ship mortally wounded Reva was already on the Lars' Homestead, lol.

 

[a-dev]

To be fair that is all ROTJ's fault which ROTS doubled down on by having Obi-Wan present at Luke and Leia's birth. However...(and a-dev is not gonna like this, lol) the ST finally gives an out for that OT continuity gaffe if you allow for the "other" that Yoda referred to in ESB to be...Rey.

As many know when ESB was made the other was not going to be Leia but was rather Luke's secret sister who was being trained on the other side of the galaxy. Leia and the other were two separate characters but ROTJ combined them for the sake of convenience, thus making Obi-Wan to be a bit of an idiot and/or liar. But the ST frees Kenobi from such criticism if Yoda had actually looked into the future and perceived Rey's potential when Obi-Wan had not.

Yeah but even if I accepted the ST as canon we know that Yoda and Obi-Wan were surely talking about the current threat, the current enemy - the Empire version 1.0 headed by Palpatine with Vader as his enforcer - they needed a hope against that and Luke was it. What would be the point in Yoda bringing up the hope for 30years down the road who'll defeat the Empire 2.0 headed by Snoke/Palpatine with Kylo Ren as the enforcer. Hardly relevant to the current situation. Plus, Yoda shouldn't be able to look into the future like that (and arguably he can't - ''difficult to see, always in motion the future is'') because if he can then what is anyone worried about. They'd know they're going to win.

 

[guyver1]

I'd definitely put this portrayal above ROTJ which is pretty awesome in and of itself (but not ahead of ANH/ESB/RO.)

It’s interesting about the RO ending..It had to be within the timeframe that ANH began..maybe the same day/week/month because Leia was already in the rebel cruiser that went to light speed in the end of RO so the Star Destroyer was chasing it , which means Jyn died right before the ANH plot began..that’s just crazy ..but it is the proper way so the RO characters were never mentioned in the OT originally

It’s also hard to believe given that Luke and Leia were adults and Obi Wan was older..Vader was also older in RO and he still had immense powers

 

[Khev]

Yeah but even if I accepted the ST as canon we know that Yoda and Obi-Wan were surely talking about the current threat, the current enemy - the Empire version 1.0 headed by Palpatine with Vader as his enforcer - they needed a hope against that and Luke was it. What would be the point in Yoda bringing up the hope for 30years down the road who'll defeat the Empire 2.0 headed by Snoke/Palpatine with Kylo Ren as the enforcer. Hardly relevant to the current situation.

It would be relevant because if Luke failed then there would be no Empire 2.0, it'd be the same Empire 30 years later that Rey would have to help defeat.

Plus, Yoda shouldn't be able to look into the future like that (and arguably he can't - ''difficult to see, always in motion the future is'') because if he can then what is anyone worried about. They'd know they're going to win.

Yoda wouldn't know it definitively (like you say, always in motion is the future) but he'd see it as a possible future and therefore cause for "hope."

Basically each side would have a contingency (Palpatine having Exegol and the Jedi having Rey) should Hope 1.0 or Empire 1.0 fail.

 

[a-dev]

It would be relevant because if Luke failed then there would be no Empire 2.0, it'd be the same Empire 30 years later that Rey would have to help defeat.

Ah, got it. But no

It's smart thinking, admittedly. Reminds of how me and ajp tried (rather successfully I thought) to sort out all the Terminator timelines - just, to me, counting the Star Wars sequel trilogy is like if we had added Terminators 3 through 6 into our equation. I just don't wanna.

 

[Sassafras]

I did think it was funny that in the few seconds that it took Vader's Star Destroyer to catch up with the Rebel ship mortally wounded Reva was already on the Lars' Homestead, lol.

Well, since Disney is all about money - I'd definitely pick up the Hasbro JAWA - IMO no such thing as too many Jawas (can I just say that no matter how many times I see it, the Jawas laughing at Mando when his head bangs against the roof of the Sandcrawler always cracks me up )

But as someone pointed out, suspect Reva will be a pegwarmer at 75% off - eventually to be ignominiously recycled into pink yard flamingos and trash bags.

 

[Sweet Rabbit]

At least the Obi Wan-Vader fight was worth it

 

[Dave_W]

It’s been done to a degree in the Dark Horse Comic series

Comics and books don't count

 

[ZE_501]

At least the Obi Wan-Vader fight was worth it

 

[The Buffinator]

I think I am prepared to say this is my favorite live-action portrayal of Darth Vader to date. And I was one of the ones who wasn’t eager initially for him to turn up.

I especially like how it confirms that Kylo Ren was his Dark Side equal. Each one told his troops that he'd be facing & eliminating his nemesis (Obi-Wan and Luke, respectively) alone and both failed miserably.



I'm looking forward to the release of the deleted scene when Vader returns to the Star Destroyer:

Vader: "Grand Inquisitor, did you destroy Kenobi's ship after it left the atmosphere?"

GI: "Why no, My Lord. We had a weapons lock on him & could have easily taken him out, but you didn't answer our hails requesting permission to fire. Your last order was to stand down while you took care of the matter yourself so we assumed his escaping was all part of your plan...."

 

[Prime Clone]

Comics and books don't count

They do now. Under Disney they have the same canonic status as filmic content.

 

[greygoose]

 

[ScoutingForToys]

They do now. Under Disney they have the same canonic status as filmic content.

They say that, but apparently some of the details of the Kanan comic and the Aftermath books was slightly retconned by Bad Batch and The Mandalorian season 2, so it seems the canon status of Disney comics and books can be quite precarious.

 

[chrisstbh]

 

[ZE_501]

I want less content of a higher quality that stops messing with established source material and doesn't rely on cheap spectacle stapled to aspartame-laced nostalgia.

I know I'm in the minority in terms of general fandom. It's cool.

 

[greygoose]

I want less content of a higher quality that stops messing with established source material and doesn't rely on cheap spectacle stapled to aspartame-laced nostalgia.

I know I'm in the minority in terms of general fandom. It's cool.

I can't see anyway back for Disney Star Wars now - it's a train that will continue to coast. I fear for Mando season 3.

 

[ZE_501]

I can't see anyway back for Disney Star Wars now - it's a train that will continue to coast. I fear for Mando season 3.

Oh I think it's all dead and gone now. Doesn't mean something good won't slip through by accident every now and then but in terms of a contiguous whole, fuggedaboudit. The content we're seeing is closer to Xena or Hercules at this point than it is to the source. Goofy and weightless.