Blade Runner 2049 (October 6th, 2017) *SPOILERS*

[punisher1974]

I liked wicked city until the penetrations. Much better pacing in the story and spider lady was creepy as hell

 

[RIDDICK]

I remember watching Genocyber, which is shlock but I like it no less than Akira.

 

[punisher1974]

I also like the original Vampire Hunter D a lot

 

[crows]

I also like the original Vampire Hunter D a lot

I prefer the second one.
First one is cheesy lol

 

[RIDDICK]

I like D as a character a lot but I never cared for those two anime films.

 

[Otomofan]

I've enjoyed Ryan Gosling in other stuff, but he just seemed lifeless here. And maybe that's the point, cause he IS lifeless. But that didn't engage me as a viewer. There were stretches were he didn't say anything for minutes and just stared. (Not unlike his character in Drive, a movie I also disliked.)

His girlfriend is a computer program. She's not real. She has no emotions; she's essentially an amazon echo with a holographic sexy body. That's not engaging either.

Claire Underwood shows up playing her usual see-you-next-thursday typecast role and as far as the first hour goes, added nothing. Remember Bryant from the original? He has a 2 minute scene with Deckard where he busts his chops and there was more humanity and genuine intrigue in that scene than anything I saw in 2049.

Then you have Jared Leto doing his over top method acting as the creepy God complex billionaire. He was basically playing Jesse Eisenberg's spazzy Luthor as a goth kid instead of an autist. And his "muscle" was some chick who also had no personality other than being an unstoppable robot killing machine like the female Terminator.

I felt like it was a wasted opportunity to have such a breathtaking, lush world for these characters to occupy, and not a single one of them was compelling in any way. (I also vastly prefer the original Spinner design to the new one.)

I don't have any deeper "defense" of my opinion....it just simply bored the hell out of me. And when I saw I'd been watching for an hour and that I didn't care one iota about what was going on, I just said OK, that's enough. I think one whole hour was fair enough to give the director a chance to engage me, and he didn't.

Now, as for comparing it to "Akira," which seems to be some kind of playground style personal taunt since I've made my love for that movie well known, it's really apples and oranges isn't it? Akira was drawn by hand. Every frame of it. And it had/has a higher frame rate than any other animated movie in history. It's a triumph in the genre of animation. This is a science fiction film. Why compare them?

 

[RIDDICK]

Now, as for comparing it to "Akira," which seems to be some kind of playground style personal taunt since I've made my love for that movie well known

I'm doin' it because of your posts in that thread.
I've already said that, you already saw that and replyed.
No need to play dumb.

it's really apples and oranges

It really isn't. Unless one's a manchild, of course.

drawn by hand
has a higher frame rate than any other animated movie in history
triumph of animation

That's just a bunch of tech achivements.
Doesn't automatically make it great art
It's still A MOVIE and shall be judged as such.
It's not great and aged poorly. Period.

 

[Otomofan]

Let me guess, you loved ghost in the shell.

I saw Ghost in the Shell (the anime) when it premiered in an arthouse theater back in 1996 I think?

There's that opening action sequence where she shoots the guy and then jumps off the building and her digital camo makes her disappear, followed immediately by the amazing credits sequence where they show her being built.

I remember sitting there going "Oh my god this is going to be the best movie I've ever seen!!"

And that's all I remember. I think I fell asleep cause it slowed to a halt. Months later I bought the VHS but again, never made it through it cause it was so dull after that awesome opening.

As for the live action version, I think I saw the trailer once on youtube and said "nope." So no, I don't love Ghost in the Shell.

 

[RIDDICK]

GITS is def a miles better anime film than Akira.
Better sci-fi. Better story. Better characters. Better music.

No wonder you fell asleep.

 

[Otomofan]

Outside of the f'd up visuals and mood, there's very little good about the anime adaptation.
They've tried to cram a lot of character development and story into one film and it didn't really work.
Yes, it was "groundbreaking" at the time but it didn't age that well.

So your argument was that the visuals are dated and don't hold up.

Well, that's a huge load of crap.

It's probably the most groundbreaking animated film of all time, and it still holds up. Even if you watch it on mute, and have no interest in the characters or story, there's so much going on visually it's impossible to take it all in, even on multiple viewings.

My argument was that the visuals are astounding and hold up well. Even if you ignore the characters and watch it on mute. Meaning, who gives a crap about the narrative? I personally think it's a great film, but that's not what I'm saying here. I'm saying it's a crowning achievement in the genre of animation, regardless of plot or characters.

These are the direct quotes from our exchange. I didn't say it was Citizen Kane. I was simply talking about the artistry of the animators.

I don't think the same can be said about BR2049. On mute, it would just look like a sad man walking around aimlessly and having an occasional whiskey, interspersed with some cool shots of the city every now and then when he's not just walking around a foggy empty farm.

 

[crows]

I've enjoyed Ryan Gosling in other stuff, but he just seemed lifeless here. And maybe that's the point, cause he IS lifeless. But that didn't engage me as a viewer. There were stretches were he didn't say anything for minutes and just stared. (Not unlike his character in Drive, a movie I also disliked.)

His girlfriend is a computer program. She's not real. She has no emotions; she's essentially an amazon echo with a holographic sexy body. That's not engaging either.

This is the equivalent of sayinv
" the dinosaurs in jurassic park are not real dinosaurs, they are horrible clone monsters, since they are not real, thats not engaging"

And the girlfriend comment, then you basically just admitted that you hated the matrix then
You think the idea behind agent smith is stupid and not engaging.

Im nit saying you should like bladerunner
But your reasons would make you hate the matrix, terminator 1,
You would probably hate Moon, you would hate the movie Her, you would hate 2001 space oddyssey,

Did you hate wall E? Because if you hated the non human characters in this movie, i cannot see you possibly enjoying wall E

 

[Otomofan]

Dinosaurs/Agent Smith/HAL/Wall E had personality.

Personality goes a long way.

 

[karamazov80]

I never said attraction.
I said experience. Theater experience. 4D experience

OK. That doesn't change my question. The Muppets and Mickey Mouse have "4D" experiences at Disney World, and I don't necessarily consider them fine art (though they were both great).

 

[crows]

And Joi didnt have a personality?
Thats when you completely lose me.

Ryan is meant to find his feelings throughout the movie,
Thats why they show you the word test at the beginning and why he fails it the second time.
Thats why he starts serious but gets so angry and yells when he visits the girl that makes the memories.
You missed the whole point of the movie... the whole point of his growth....
Agent smith and wall e's girlfriend robot have similar growths.

And how can you say joi has no personality? She had the most personality out of everyone.... she was the most "human" of all of the characters

 

[RIDDICK]

So your argument was that the visuals are dated and don't hold up.

Film is not a purely visual media, so no.
And it's a statement, not an argument.

My argument was...

Argument? You just called my post crap and referenced the tech stuff.
And then got angry at me for making fun of you bein' an overprotective fan.

 

[crows]

OK. That doesn't change my question. The Muppets and Mickey Mouse have "4D" experiences at Disney World, and I don't necessarily consider them fine art (though they were both great).

If the muppets was 3 hours long and had the depth and attention to detail and storytelling of blade runner then you couldnt get me out of that theater.....

If we had a 3 hour deep philosophical muppets experience i think i would visit it every day for a week.

 

[punisher1974]

And Joi didnt have a personality?
Thats when you completely lose me.

Ryan is meant to find his feelings throughout the movie,
Thats why they show you the word test at the beginning and why he fails it the second time.
Thats why he starts serious but gets so angry and yells when he visits the girl that makes the memories.
You missed the whole point of the movie... the whole point of his growth....
Agent smith and wall e's girlfriend robot have similar growths.

And how can you say joi has no personality? She had the most personality out of everyone.... she was the most "human" of all of the characters

The character arcs are what really impressed me in this movie. It's a great sequel in the fact they also develop the characters and allow them to breathe. I also like how on a second watch you catch more stuff. Visually the movie is amazing but the real strength for me is the characterization. I am happy to own it with the original. I like how not everything is just explained away. I really like ending with K and how it mirrors Batty's end with a sense of completeness because he found out what it is to be human.

 

[Otomofan]

Film is not a purely visual media, so no.
And it's a statement, not an argument.



Argument? You just called my post crap and referenced the tech stuff.
And then got angry at me for making fun of you bein' an overprotective fan.

It's all there for everyone to read. I stand by what I said. I already offered you a hug. Why you been actin' so messed up towards me?


And as for Joi, she was just a computer program. She didn't have a personality; that was just her programming. She's there to offer the girlfriend experience to lonely guys.

I had the same problem with "AI"....remember that movie? Haley Joel Osment? The tagline was "His love is real....he is not." No, his love was never "real." He's a computer program. He was programmed to dote on his mother as a surrogate for her real son who was in a coma. He's just following his coding. He ends up stalking the poor woman literally to the end of humanity cause that's what his processors tell him to do.

I didn't like that movie either.

Wall-E was different. Johnny 5 was different. They were robots that actually came to life. So did that computer in Electric Dreams. Anyone remember that movie?

 

[karamazov80]

If the muppets was 3 hours long and had the depth and attention to detail and storytelling of blade runner then you couldnt get me out of that theater.....

If we had a 3 hour deep philosophical muppets experience i think i would visit it every day for a week.

It's not 3 hours, but it sure sounds like you are referring to the Great Muppet Caper here!

 

[crows]

It is sad that Otomofan says Ryan had no personality because there were a lot of changes in his personality and outlook on his life
Some of them were subtle but he was feeling a lot of things and he was troubled by what he kept finding out.
There was a lot of introspection of what it meant for him to be " alive" and what his role in the story was.