Captain America 2: The Winter Soldier (SPOILERS)

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Re: Captain America 2: The Winter Soldier

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Like I said, in the comics, Cap has to adjust to a system that he has to distrust moreso than he believed was the case back in the '40s. But his ideals remain intact. You can have ideals about the country (liberty, justice, inalienable rights, protection from exploitation and hysteria, etc.), while treating the system entrusted with protecting them with heavy skepticism. In that sense, what you see in Avengers, and may very likely see in the new film regarding SHIELD and the government doing shady things are allowed to happen. Cap will learn from them. But he keeps his values intact. His value =/= trust in government. This is a very clear subtext in the comics, from the '70s until the more modern comics with Civil War and the aftermath of it. If he lost his values and ideals, then as jye suggests, he wouldn't be Cap anymore. He might not become the Punisher, but he may be more like Iron Man in the modern comics, or US Agent, or various other characters that may lose sight of what Cap sees as the real U.S. values that he represents and is tasked with protecting. Cap is not a sheep, following orders without question. He sees it as his responsibility to do what he feels is right, in order to secure and reinforce the U.S.'s fundamental ideals. You might miss this if you never read or didn't understand the comics though, so I'll give you a pass this time.

This isn't the comics, Kara. Though it's loosely based on the Ultimates, it's its own beast with its own continuity which started with Iron Man back in '08. So you're going to have to work harder at a response that makes more sense then grasping at straws (or in this case irrelevant comics). I think in this film we'll see Cap having to re-evaluate who he is and what he stands for since we saw almost zero personal development in Avengers. That still needs to be addressed.
 
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Damn, that definitely got me so hyped, can't wait til' tomorrow. And it looks it was true about him getting his WWII costume back.
 
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WWII suit is by far the best.

SHIELD blue suit is also snazzy, but it's not quite Cap. I think that's the point. SHIELD is trying to make him something he's not.
 
Re: Captain America 2: The Winter Soldier

WWII suit is by far the best.

SHIELD blue suit is also snazzy, but it's not quite Cap. I think that's the point. SHIELD is trying to make him something he's not.

It could be that. Or Cap himself questioning the stars and stripes, like he did in Avengers. So he goes with the blue at first.
 
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The flag is very much an icon of the truth justice and american way. Perhaps he decides to go back to it to try to show the world that the america of the 40s and that way of life has been lost and to inspire its return
 
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I hope it's a comedy, like the other phase 2 Marvel movies. :yess:
 
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So do I. It helps making this stupid comic crap actually watchable. :lol
 
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The scenarios in the MCU are based on the Ultimates, but the characterizations are classic Marvel. (Possible exception is Stark as RDJ has infused him with quirkiness) so the filmed Cap has a lot in common with comics Cap. The American spirit is still there, but it will probably take a good hard lesson in consequences of actions to stoke it again.
 
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I hope it's a comedy, like the other phase 2 Marvel movies. :yess:

Good comedy, at least

The scenarios in the MCU are based on the Ultimates, but the characterizations are classic Marvel. (Possible exception is Stark as RDJ has infused him with quirkiness) so the filmed Cap has a lot in common with comics Cap. The American spirit is still there, but it will probably take a good hard lesson in consequences of actions to stoke it again.

Thor doesn't have Donald Blake, and Hawkeye is more ultimate than 616
 
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Looks kinda cheap, and probably no where near as good as Iron Man 3.

(I want to do this all day. Anything to give people who hate Iron Man 3 ulcers. :lol)
Damn you :lol. Stop dissing this film.

I loved Iron Man 3. Saw it twice in theatres. But I guess there are few fans of the movie. And most hate it solely due to the plot twist (and it's understandable why they feel that way), cause until that point many didn't have any major issues with the film. The humor was very well done, though many don't prefer the lighthearted tone of the film to begin with. The trailers deceived them which was unsettling for many.
 
Re: Captain America 2: The Winter Soldier

Then that post was not to you. :D

I'm trying to give people ulcers here. Lemme do my work. *cracks knuckles*
 
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