Captain America Civil War: Figure Discussion

[hbhf]

Interesting theory but the SW part is not an issue. All it means is fox can use the character, has no impact on the marvel version other then she can't be called "mutant". So that's really no impact.

It definitely has an impact. I did not say they're legally barred or anything, but it seems clear that she is left off of a lot of the official marketing or promo art that's been release thus far for the film. The exact same thing happened with Age of Ultron. She and Quicksilver were completely left off of most of promotional and marketing art for the film, even when they were featured prominently in the theatrical posters and trailers.

The exact same thing is happening now. She's featured in the official concept art and the trailers, but on all the marketing and merchandising promo images, she's replaced with Sharon Carter.

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Outside of the films she's also confirmed to not be appearing in the TV show and she's also the only hero from Civil War not being included in the Disney Infinity game.

It seems like someone on a corporate level is not happy with the idea of Marvel heavily promoting a character whose film rights are not owned lock stock and barrel.

And they always do this stuff, with not revealing things. I don't know what her role is but there's 2 hours of movie she could be in and the trailers don't reflect. There's no zemo, no crossbones, no spider-man no Ross...reading to much into the trailer is not the best way to figure out what's not in the trailer and why. Lol

Ross was in the trailer. And hey I could be wrong, but I'm calling it like I see it. If Sharon seriously had a big role, I don't think she'd be getting treated like an afterthought. She's certainly not a character who'd need to be hidden or treated like a surprise.

 

[BH8957]

We haven't seen anything with Spidey in regards to CW, but we all know he's there. I wouldn't read too much into it.

J

 

[IarnaOrgana]

We haven't seen anything with Spidey in regards to CW, but we all know he's there.

Or Baron Zemo. Or Martin Freeman's character.

But I do think an official member of the Avengers being left out of promo art in favor of a lower-level agent is significant. The same goes for the lack of Sharon in the trailers. Maybe both Sharon's and Wanda's involvement in the plot are too spoiler heavy to feature them in both mediums?

In regards to Wanda and Pietro being left off AoU merch/posters, I think it was also an issue of them being presented as bad guys for the beginning of the film. Wanda isn't shown to be an official Avenger until the last scene, and we all know what happened to Pietro...

 

[darthconlan]

Do you guys think we will see a mark 47 suit? There is always more than 1 suit per film.

 

[Starscream Soundwave]

Do you guys think we will see a mark 47 suit? There is always more than 1 suit per film.

I would have thought so. But he's still wearing the 46 in what appears to be the 'big fight at the end' so, who knows. Maybe that fight is closer to the middle act, like the HB vs Hulk scene in AoU?

 

[Starscream Soundwave]

And back on to whether or not the teams are 'even' IM and Rhodey could gun Cap's entire team down from a mile away. Not to mention Vision. Although of course they're not going to do that, they're just trying to 'bring them in'.

The film will definitely be clever about it, as we've seen in the trailer things are far more evenly matched in hand-to-hand combat.

 

[hbhf]

In regards to Wanda and Pietro being left off AoU merch/posters, I think it was also an issue of them being presented as bad guys for the beginning of the film. Wanda isn't shown to be an official Avenger until the last scene, and we all know what happened to Pietro...

But if that were so, would they have put them in TV spots fighting alongside the team? Or put them on the theatrical poster alongside the other Avengers? Or even then, they included the Vision with a full look at his appearance, even though Marvel was trying to save that as a spoiler for a long while.

But I do think an official member of the Avengers being left out of promo art in favor of a lower-level agent is significant. The same goes for the lack of Sharon in the trailers. Maybe both Sharon's and Wanda's involvement in the plot are too spoiler heavy to feature them in both mediums?

As I said before, I'm assuming it is either a licensing thing or just more Disney/Fox related shenanigans, and they swapped in Sharon Carter just so it didn't look like Cap's team has no women.

 

[third3ye]

Regarding SW, the rights to this character are in a gray area when it comes to promo and merch art, because of Fox. Disney/Marvel is limited in their ability to merch this character, and we've witnessed that in AoU and it'll be the same for CW. Theatrical marketing lands in a different area so she'll be more prominently featured there. You'll notice that's been the typical defining category for when Marvel uses Agent 13 vs SW.

 

[hbhf]

Regarding SW, the rights to this character are in a gray area when it comes to promo and merch art, because of Fox. Disney/Marvel is limited in their ability to merch this character, and we've witnessed that in AoU and it'll be the same for CW. Theatrical marketing lands in a different area so she'll be more prominently featured there. You'll notice that's been the typical defining category for when Marvel uses Agent 13 vs SW.

That was what I noticed as well. The theater concession stuff is thus far the only merch imagery I've seen that has Scarlet Witch instead of Sharon.

 

[third3ye]

That was what I noticed as well. The theater concession stuff is thus far the only merch imagery I've seen that has Scarlet Witch instead of Sharon.

Concession stands are part of theatrical Not classified as merch in the industry

 

[Motuxmen]

It definitely has an impact. I did not say they're legally barred or anything, but it seems clear that she is left off of a lot of the official marketing or promo art that's been release thus far for the film. The exact same thing happened with Age of Ultron. She and Quicksilver were completely left off of most of promotional and marketing art for the film, even when they were featured prominently in the theatrical posters and trailers.

The exact same thing is happening now. She's featured in the official concept art and the trailers, but on all the marketing and merchandising promo images, she's replaced with Sharon Carter.

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Outside of the films she's also confirmed to not be appearing in the TV show and she's also the only hero from Civil War not being included in the Disney Infinity game.

It seems like someone on a corporate level is not happy with the idea of Marvel heavily promoting a character whose film rights are not owned lock stock and barrel.



Ross was in the trailer. And hey I could be wrong, but I'm calling it like I see it. If Sharon seriously had a big role, I don't think she'd be getting treated like an afterthought. She's certainly not a character who'd need to be hidden or treated like a surprise.

She's not left off because of film rights issue. If she's on the poster..or more importantly, in the movie then that argument is invalid. If the plan was to limit use then they could just not use her at all. What exactly is accomplished by partially using her? What's the plan? Let's partly stick it to fox and partly stick it to ourselves (from marvels POV)? Makes zero sense. And out of all those images...how do you know they are all supposed to have leaked? Or been done by marvel direct not a licensed company?

 

[Motuxmen]

Regarding SW, the rights to this character are in a gray area when it comes to promo and merch art, because of Fox. Disney/Marvel is limited in their ability to merch this character, and we've witnessed that in AoU and it'll be the same for CW. Theatrical marketing lands in a different area so she'll be more prominently featured there. You'll notice that's been the typical defining category for when Marvel uses Agent 13 vs SW.

It's not a grey area issue. It's not a rights issue. Half the "art" released had been leaked. For all we know it was altered because she at some point gets her classic costume and they don't want to show it. There was no issue with vision and half the art for Aou didn't show him. Or ultimate ultron. But we know hulks film rights are owned by universal(so he is exactly the same as scarlet witch just different studios) and he had art. And there IS art with SW on it. Some of the only officially released from marvel stuff.

Also there's a scarlet witch hot toys figure that's been released. If this where a "rights" issue that wouldn't happen. Period.

Sure looks like SW is in art to me.

 

[meanstreak]

I think they are just promoting both girls equally, however the general movie audiences are more familiar with Scarlet Witch so she's in the trailers and commercials more.

I wouldn't be surprised if they didn't want to use more than two girls in the promo art and Black Widow has to be in all of them.

I do think Agent 13 has a bigger role than Scarlet Witch since Olsen said she didn't film for the movie that long and plays a small role.

Also Agent 13 is sixth billed before Black Panther, War Machine, Vision, Scarlet Witch and Hawkeye. It's not like the actress is more famous than any of those actors so I think her role is larger than they are leading on.

 

[Motuxmen]

That's possible. But saying there's any "rights issue" Becuase she's not no this or that "art" is just not supported. She's in some. She has merchandise that's already out (hot toys, LEGO) and some that's coming (LEGO, hasbro, ect) and she's in the movie and the trailer and posters...if they are not supposed to use her they are in trouble. If she's in the movie they have the rights to merchandise her and use her to promote the film (which is what promo art is). Even crazy rights issues that are real (ala the xmen at fox in the past could do promo art with them Becuase part of the actors deals for filming is a promotional package)

 

[meanstreak]

I know the Lego figures aren't always indicative of what happens in the movie but this supports my theory of Sharon's role during the airport fight and why she's absent in the scene where the teams are charging each other.

Spoiler

Looks like she is stealing some important stuff

 

[hbhf]

She's not left off because of film rights issue.

Read what I actually wrote. I didn't say she's left off because rights issues. I said she's left off because someone is not wanting to use her in marketing materials because of her being shared with Fox.

Sure looks like SW is in art to me.

That's concept art that was released for a spread. It's not marketing/promo art used for products.

If she's on the poster..or more importantly, in the movie then that argument is invalid.

No, it isn't, because as third3eye just said, the particulars behind something like a film poster vs. marketing art used for products is completely different.

 

[Motuxmen]

Read what I actually wrote. I didn't say she's left off because rights issues. I said she's left off because someone is not wanting to use her in marketing materials because of her being shared with Fox.



That's concept art that was released for a spread. It's not marketing/promo art used for products.



No, it isn't, because as third3eye just said, the particulars behind something like a film poster vs. marketing art used for products is completely different.

Clearly you just don't understand. Half the photos you posted that don't include her are for the SAME thing you just said didn't count.

If "marketing" is the issue then they wouldn't use her in ANYTHING. Becuase EVERYTHING is marketing. If it's merchandise then she would have no licensed goods or toys or in house "products". She does. From LEGO to hot toys. So when you sum it al up...

There is absolutely nothing they can not or have not used the character for.


And that photo you said was "for a spread" and was "concept" art. Your wrong. It's not concept art. It was a "marketing" piece released to "promote" the film. So it's the the same thing as the piece with the two sides lined up vertically that half the art is pulled from.


What is it that you think they can't or are not doing. Specifically. And why? You bring up leaked art or licensed art on products. If it's on products chances are marvel didn't decide who's on it (one of those pieces you posted if art is for a snack product that was done by an independent artist). If it's a merchandise issue she would not be on any products. She is. The first hot toys figure pretty much kills the idea that she's not used for products. Then there's the second. Plus the new 6inch civil war scarlet witch figure.

And since we have not seen Ross in those pieces you used as examples or spiderman or does that mean they are trying to stick it to someone too?

There's no way to know why she's not included in any particular "drawing" or digital art. The two female theory is one. New costume maybe. Individual artist choice. But we can know that there is no marvel policy or choice to not use her. Becuase they have. There's licensed product and in house items and "art" (you can try and make it so it doesn't fit with the rest as much as you want but your just making stuff up) there's posters and she's in the single greatest piece of evidence that they will use her...the movie. The last one she was in made a billion dollars. And they are using her again. And guess what, if they wanted to not market her to grow the character to stick it to fox...she wouldn't be in the movie. A couple of promo art pieces that 90% of the audience will never see mean NOTHING in comparison to the film itself.

The fact that they would use her in the movie, two movies, destroys your point. What is a bigger marketing item? Those few promo art pieces or two tent pole billion dollar movies?

 

[Motuxmen]

As for them not being on the Aou stuff...that was a story reason. They where bad guys. To throw them on an avengers logo piece kinda gives things away. It had nothing to do with shared rights and everything to do with story.

And unless you have seen civil war you can't know it's not the same reason this time. The shared rights issue is a non issue when it comes to promo art or merhcandise. Like I said, Hulk is a shared rights character. Seems to be included in the Aou art

 

[hbhf]

Clearly you just don't understand.

Or you just like arguing.

Like I said, I've noticed the writing on the wall regarding how the character is being utilized (or not) outside of the comics and films. If you disagree, fine.

 

[hbhf]

The Marvel Select figures look great.