Captain America: Civil War (May 6, 2016)

[bboy]

SPOILERS: I don't think "playing it safe " is the correct choice of words really. It's kind of the small things like seeing Rhodey in the leg things ( first I was thinking aw poor Rhodey will be wheel chair bound, then I realized wait he can just have stark make him something that makes it obsolete )And then at first I was shocked with the damage done to winter soldier, only to think about it a second later and realize his arm was fake anyway Lmao. And I was thinking damn poor spidey is going to be locked up in the middle of the ocean, but no he was picked up by aunt may ? ...


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[SNIKT1950]

I don't think it's a matter of playing safe. It was noted that CW happened because of BvS. Also you can't hit that level with the comic book without having FF and X-Men. I think it was the best with what they got. I think if Ragnarok happened first, it'd be better.

I don't think involving the FF & X-MEN would have raised the stakes. They took the concept of Civil War and turned it into a safe ten minute skirmish between friends

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where Rhodey almost got paralyzed

. All of the political ideology got watered down to "The world thinks you guys are a problem even though you've saved it three times." I rolled my eyes in that scene. In the comic, Cap and Tony have a legitimate argument. To register is to expose yourself to the public eye the way Tony did from the very beginning. To stay masked was to become an enemy of the state.

The trailers were glorious. It looked like war. The movie was just Cap protecting Bucky from Ross and Panther. That's it.

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Nobody died nor did I ever feel any real sense of danger for any of the characters

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[Jaycepticon]

SPOILERS: I don't think "playing it safe " is the correct choice of words really. It's kind of the small things like seeing Rhodey in the leg things ( first I was thinking aw poor Rhodey will be wheel chair bound, then I realized wait he can just have stark make him something that makes it obsolete

As soon as I saw him with the leg brace, I immediately thought about his '08s series where he was literally able to connect to any machine, which was pretty awesome.

 

[RIDDICK]

The comics have so much more emotional weight. These movies just won't go the distance.
I honestly wish they hadn't called this Civil War.

While I agree that Marvel Studios keep giving their movies inappropriate subtitles... CW comic sucked.

 

[bboy]

I don't think involving the FF & X-MEN would have raised the stakes. They took the concept of Civil War and turned it into a safe ten minute skirmish between friends

Spoiler

where Rhodey almost got paralyzed

. All of the political ideology got watered down to "The world thinks you guys are a problem even though you've saved it three times." I rolled my eyes in that scene. In the comic, Cap and Tony have a legitimate argument. To register is to expose yourself to the public eye the way Tony did from the very beginning. To stay masked was to become an enemy of the state.

The trailers were glorious. It looked like war. The movie was just Cap protecting Bucky from Ross and Panther. That's it.

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Nobody died nor did I ever feel any real sense of danger for any of the characters

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Kind of agree, the movie was a mish mash of strange motivations and a light plot. Sort of offensive to the term civil war hahaha

 

[Starscream Soundwave]

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Nobody died nor did I ever feel any real sense of danger for any of the characters

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Not this again

 

[SNIKT1950]

Kind of agree, the movie was a mish mash of strange motivations and a light plot. Sort of offensive to the term civil war hahaha

I kept waiting for the war in Civil War. Never came. Honestly, I never really bought into the idea of Marvel/Disney allowing Tony to be the antagonist [of any film]. They naturally victimized him and even with how they went about that didn't let him do anything to explore that (

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kill Bucky

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[GodzillaSpawn]

I thought the film was as close to a perfect comic book movie as we could have got and thought it was better than the comics.

I thought both sides had great points in the movie and I didn't feel Tony was an antagonist he just happened to be against Cap in a Captain America movie. But he was no more of an antagonist than Panther was. Even at the end, I think despite that it turned into a very heated fight...people saw where Stark was coming from.

Arguing about the appropriateness of the title aside, I could not be happier with the end result.

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[Victοr]

I'm not gonna go over everything, but I'll just say this: Zemo was terrific. Bruhl nailed the personality of Helmut from the comics. More often than not, he's portrayed as a poor man's Red Skull, but Helmut always was more like Doctor Doom. Not as much of a megalomaniac, but still as calm and rational. I loved the way Brubaker handled him in his BuckyCap, even if it mean that he ignored Nicieza's Born Better. As a big Zemo fan, I can safely say, that I loved this version and look forward to him being an even bigger player in the MCU. Just give me the current costume and something like this:

PS: Like many I was worried he was gonna be Luthor 2.0 but man oh man, am I glad I was wrong!

 

[bboy]

I found the whole thing to be strikingly similar to bvs actually, especially the villain.


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[Ropen]

Power went out on my theater near the credits, waited like 5 minutes, so in the mean time the theater rewound a couple of epic stills in my huge imax showing while we waited, and we got free passes to see this movie again! So I'll see it three times this weekend.


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[jye4ever]

By this point the MCU will need to reveal that black widow was injected with the super soldier serum because the abuse she has taken in these movies is unbelievable, from being thrown by the Hulk to being punched by people wearing steel to being shot.

She is made of rubber.

 

[Victοr]

By this point the MCU will need to reveal that black widow was injected with the super soldier serum because the abuse she has taken in these movies is unbelievable, from being thrown by the Hulk to being punched by people wearing steel to being shot.

She is made of rubber.

In AoU they did tease the Red Room. I imagine alongside making her infertile, they probably changed some stuff as well. In the comics, she does have a serum coursing through her veins, considering she's been operating ever since the Cold War. BTW, Vasily Karpov didn't have a big role, but I loved the little nod to Brubaker's run.

 

[GasparZizou]

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I think it's a little more then just fan service, there was a good plot point of why Tony's team had to recruit Spidey and Black Panther, because Tony's side was lacking in numbers it wasn't an even number fight. If Marvel didn't go with Spidey they still had to think of a different new superhero to fill that spot to make it even, it just so happens they have a high-profile character ready to use. I think the way Spidey is introduced to Marvel is perfect, he wasn't recruited as an Avenger, it was more like a good old 'Spiderman and friends' tag along. After the fight Tony had Aunt May drive him back home, it's better like that then to have Spidey permanently join the Avengers this soon.

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Tony's side was already stronger without Spidey, in fact, they didn't need him to drop Ant-Man, he was already about to pass out, they tried to make it look even but it wasn't even at all.

And most importantly, like others have said, a mom just scolded you for his son's death and the first thing you do is draft a teenager? It was dumb. It makes me wonder if they rewrote spidey in when they got the rights.

But it's ok, these movies are allowed to have a little fan service, it didn't bother me because Spidey was good and I look forward to his solo movie. It just occurred to me.

I did like what you mention that it was like a pre-season game for Spidey and went to the bench after the 1st quarter, it's just the context.

Fixed.

Cap's side was in desperate need for reinforcements, it's not the same, Ant-man's attitude not caring about being a criminal again after it almost cost him his daughter did bother me though.

 

[RIDDICK]

Ant-man's attitude not caring about being a criminal again after it almost cost him his daughter did bother me though.

Don't like Ant-Man film, hate its happy ending... so no, I have no problem with that.

 

[jye4ever]

In AoU they did tease the Red Room. I imagine alongside making her infertile, they probably changed some stuff as well. In the comics, she does have a serum coursing through her veins, considering she's been operating ever since the Cold War. BTW, Vasily Karpov didn't have a big role, but I loved the little nod to Brubaker's run.

Hell, she even had her own IM armor in Ultimates.

 

[Bardoon]

It's also hinted that Tony has had his eye on Spidey for a while. Drawing him in would've been a way to not only recruit him but also wrap him into eventually signing the Sokolov Accords since Spidey was technically about to start operating outside of the law.

Given the flashbacks to Stark's childhood, the references to being responsible for the young kid's death in Sokovia, etc. Stark felt somewhat "responsible" for Spidey and was demonstrated not only as a patron, but somewhat of a father figure as well. I think he sees a lot of himself in Parker (young, gifted inventor).

Yeah, throwing Spidey into danger by making him part of your 'Team Iron Man' squad is somewhat an obvious contradiction, but I don't think Stark anticipated the battle as it was.

 

[Victοr]

Cap's side was in desperate need for reinforcements, it's not the same, Ant-man's attitude not caring about being a criminal again after it almost cost him his daughter did bother me though.

That bothered me a bit as well, but like Parker, he was a giant fan of Cap. Lang, even in the comics, is easily impressionable and does things at the spur of the moment without thinking about the consequences too much. Imagine a living legend like Cap asks such a guy to help him. It ain't that weird for him to rush into a conclusion without thinking about the end results. It did bother me, but it's not a big plot hole IMO.

 

[Bardoon]

Hell, she even had her own IM armor in Ultimates.

Tony gave it to her cause he was banging her.

 

[Victοr]

Hell, she even had her own IM armor in Ultimates.

Plus, she was a double agent this whole time! I doubt they'd do something like that, but man, would that be an unpredictable twist. But yeah, there's no chance of that happening. Heroic Widow is much more interesting than cliche backstabber Widow. Just give me a Widow/Bucky/Hawkeye film ala Ant-Man & The Wasp already!