Captain America: Civil War (May 6, 2016)
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YankeesFanboy
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Good take, Fabs. 
It was much better executed than BvS but the similarities are uncanny. The MCU and the DCEU are starting to catch up with the X-Men movies as far as supers within society.
It was much better executed than BvS but the similarities are uncanny. The MCU and the DCEU are starting to catch up with the X-Men movies as far as supers within society.
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Thank you finally some said it , lets kiss and make up and let me send you this letter and bust my boys out of jail. It's like all this was a 2 hour playground school fight and some of the kids were sent to detention.
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I'm not sure why folks so surprised these things all have a common feel. 
. I haven't read a comic in ages but as I recall comics were pretty repetitive themselves.....build up for main storyline while hero battles second tier characters and each other until the main battle....wash, rinse and repeat.
. I haven't read a comic in ages but as I recall comics were pretty repetitive themselves.....build up for main storyline while hero battles second tier characters and each other until the main battle....wash, rinse and repeat.
GasparZizou
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Idk if I'd agree about the letter.
It was perfectly in character from Cap, it's not like Tony's gonna instantly forgive him, there's definitely some bad blood there, for MCU standards anyway.
It was perfectly in character from Cap, it's not like Tony's gonna instantly forgive him, there's definitely some bad blood there, for MCU standards anyway.
GasparZizou
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I'm not sure why folks so surprised these things all have a common feel.
Yeah, there's tons of parallels.
Brainiac - Ultron
Winter Soldier - Red Hood
Civil War - Public enemies? Or in this case, BvS.
The Clown Prince of Crime
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Lunchbox is always crying.
good to see nothing has changed....appears the similarity from film to film for MCU / DCEU should be an expectation. Folks may not be so,disappointed all the time
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Why are so many saying that Zemo is a nothing villain, or that what he did was predicated on luck? After Black Widow put all of Hydra's secrets out for everyone to see he deciphers all of their secrets and learns about the Winter Soldier, who he was and his history. Reading that he used to be Bucky Barnes and the friend of Captain America Zemo knew that Cap would defend his friend who has killed many in the past. One of those kills were the Starks. So learning that the UN would be meeting to discuss the actions of the Avengers in Vienna, Zemo plants a bomb in a news van, puts on a mask and wig to look like Winter Soldier so security cameras get a picture of him. The bomb goes off, kills some and now everyone is looking for Bucky including Cap who wants to protect his friend. Then, when Bucky is captured Zemo knows he would claim that he is innocent. So Zemo kidnaps, kills the doctor that would examine him and sends an emp bomb to the power plant. As he talks to Bucky the bomb goes off knocking out power to the jail where he is. While the power is out he says the code words that triggers the inner killer. Under Zemos control Winter Soldier tells him what he did on a mission in 91, and about other soldiers like him and where they are. Cap comes after his friend, Zemo goes to Russia to Hydra's secret base. Once there Zemo finds what he needs then waits for cap, winter soldier and ironman to come after him. They do and when they come together he plays the video of that day in 91. This destroys the Avengers more than the Sokovia Accords and Zemo's job is done. He destroys the Avengers without throwing a punch.
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That actually makes me feel a lot better about not having seen CW yet.
I think Marvel has kept this on the "hush hush" but Civil War is the first new Marvel movie that will hit Netflix under that exclusive deal they made with Disney. If CW doesn't top Avengers for me after I see it then I'll wait to have my second viewing on Netflix instead going back to the theaters.
I just got back from this. I thought it was pretty damn awesome, particularly in relation to the pathetic Superman V Batman. It juggled a lot of moving pieces way better than Age of Ultron did IMO. Unexpected standout to me was Ant-Man, who was great. Even though we already had a pseudo comedian on the team in Stark, Rudd is funnier and, of course, lighter. Spider-Man totally hit all the right notes for me. Loved it. I was worried this Spidey may not be as good in the suit as Garfield was in the last film, but I think he's there. Black Panther was also very good, and has me really interested in his solo movie.
One other thing that surprised me was how relatable Tony was. Going in, I assumed it would be like the comic, where he's (and Mr. Fantastic) pretty much an ass from day one, and is obviously meant to be the antagonist that you root against (coming from a left-wing European like Mark Millar, not surprising). Here, you root against him somewhat, but can totally understand where he's coming from, and the filmmakers took steps to show you how thoughtful he was, and how he really did want to avoid conflict with Cap.
Two things I will disagree with Fabio about: 1) Zemo's motivations make perfect sense to me. Maybe it's a bit cliche', but what matters more to someone than their family? Particularly their child? Is someone craving power or pursuing some ideology really a more compelling motvation? Same with Stark going into a blind rage over the death of his parents. This is what matters to people.
I love that Zemo survives on, also, to fight another day--with the MASTERS OF MOTHER****ING EVIL!!!
2) The letter at the end wasn't surprising at all to me. As Gaspar points out, it came from Cap. Despite everything that happened, this felt totally in character to me. Now, if it came from Stark, that would have been another issue.
One other thing that surprised me was how relatable Tony was. Going in, I assumed it would be like the comic, where he's (and Mr. Fantastic) pretty much an ass from day one, and is obviously meant to be the antagonist that you root against (coming from a left-wing European like Mark Millar, not surprising). Here, you root against him somewhat, but can totally understand where he's coming from, and the filmmakers took steps to show you how thoughtful he was, and how he really did want to avoid conflict with Cap.
Two things I will disagree with Fabio about: 1) Zemo's motivations make perfect sense to me. Maybe it's a bit cliche', but what matters more to someone than their family? Particularly their child? Is someone craving power or pursuing some ideology really a more compelling motvation? Same with Stark going into a blind rage over the death of his parents. This is what matters to people.
I love that Zemo survives on, also, to fight another day--with the MASTERS OF MOTHER****ING EVIL!!!
2) The letter at the end wasn't surprising at all to me. As Gaspar points out, it came from Cap. Despite everything that happened, this felt totally in character to me. Now, if it came from Stark, that would have been another issue.
The Clown Prince of Crime
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I definitely agree here and I thought ti was a nice touch. Remember when Cap said all his friends are gone? I'm sure that is extra motivation for him not to burn bridges.
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Ah, I see.
Well yeah, his plan kind of failed with the note and everything. Tony didn't look bitter anymore and looked like he was taking Cap's words into consideration.
I think my favorite line in the entire movie was "here is your shield Captain America". Something about the delivery and pose he strikes was just great. I loved when he went into the Iron Man suit and said, "hey Tony, this is your conscious". I miss Jarvis though. I think Vision is kinda of a lame Dr. Manhattan and Friday does nothing for me.
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Just returned from my 3rd viewing, 4th will be tomorrow nephew birthday request, my pleasure.
This movie kicks some serious ass, the plot, pace and tone are perfect.
The action is truly jaw dropping.
This movie kicks some serious ass, the plot, pace and tone are perfect.
The action is truly jaw dropping.
4 times! Wow.
Vision was foreshadowing his relationship with Wanda a bit more here. In the comics, that certainly made him more interesting and human. We'll see where it goes in the movies, but if nothing else, the detached, less emotional character provides some good texture and variety to the characters and situations in the film IMO. Sort of a proxy for the lack of Mr. Fantastic in this universe, who was more robotic than many actual robot characters like the original Human Torch and Vision.
Even though Cap says he will be there if Stark needs him, I do think irreparable damage was done to their relationship, and to that of the superhero community. We'll see if Marvel has the balls to follow through with that, but clearly that was the insinuation with Zemo's comment.
Very curious to see who the Great Lakes Avengers go with.
Yeah, I chuckled at both those lines from Ant-Man. So good.
Vision was foreshadowing his relationship with Wanda a bit more here. In the comics, that certainly made him more interesting and human. We'll see where it goes in the movies, but if nothing else, the detached, less emotional character provides some good texture and variety to the characters and situations in the film IMO. Sort of a proxy for the lack of Mr. Fantastic in this universe, who was more robotic than many actual robot characters like the original Human Torch and Vision.
Even though Cap says he will be there if Stark needs him, I do think irreparable damage was done to their relationship, and to that of the superhero community. We'll see if Marvel has the balls to follow through with that, but clearly that was the insinuation with Zemo's comment.
Very curious to see who the Great Lakes Avengers go with.
LexiKon318
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FRIDAY had one line where she got snippy with Tony ... I think she would be better if she did more of that.
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