Captain America: Civil War (May 6, 2016)

[pturtle]

Yeah I give you Spiderman, it was fan service, period, and it was pretty dumb considering the mourning mom thing.

But regarding Zemo, again, Zemo did not need to have all 3 of them to be there to show Tony the video, that was just a better opportunity.

Zemo just needed Tony to see the video, which he could've done at ANY time without Cap or Bucky being there, to create bad blood between him and Cap, to destabilize the empire, his plan did not depend on Cap and Bucky being there.

If you ask me, it was 10x better than Loki's plan.

As for the TV-verse, I read that it's just hard for the MCU and the TV verse to sync because they're both a different rhythms.

Is the fact that Tony just saw his parents being murdered, again, his parents being murdered, and not in a painless way at all, really so trivial to you?


No no, the footage NEEDS to be there, it is a pivotal part of the plan, but he only needs Tony to see it. That's it.

To plant the seed, nothing more.

Idk man, I just watched the scene again, it's all presented as if this is exactly how Zemo had planned. He has the footage there waiting to be watched, Cap even tells him that he wanted them all there, yet there's no way Zemo could have known Tony was coming.

I also find it funny that Tony calls Bucky the Manchurian Candidate yet wants to murder him or take him in 2 minutes later.

 

[e30ernest]

But without that final part, the Avengers most likely wouldn't have been torn apart at the end.

The Avengers were already torn after the airport. That was the point of no return. Nothing Tony could have done would have gotten them free nor would it correct Stark's mistake.

Idk man, I just watched the scene again, it's all presented as if this is exactly how Zemo had planned. He has the footage there waiting to be watched, Cap even tells him that he wanted them all there, yet there's no way Zemo could have known Tony was coming.

I also find it funny that Tony calls Bucky the Manchurian Candidate yet wants to murder him or take him in 2 minutes later.

He knew Tony would be there because he made sure Tony would be there. He called "room service" to bring him breakfast while he was in Siberia so that she would discover the body. With the body discovered, it would be easy for Tony to find out after.

 

[GasparZizou]

Oh man, when my post gets long it's time for me to stop

It's not like this movie needs to be defended by me anyway, if I stopped defending BvS from the "why didn't he say "save mom"", "why doesn't he wear armor all the time" and the "I don't get his motivations", sure as hell I'm not gonna defend CW

 

[pturtle]

But, it's not really having "everything set".

He was probably carrying the video, having just acquired it, and I mean, if you're in windows you can tap windows+P on you keyboard to patch the projector when you're gonna do a presentation right? It's not really that hard to show a video on another monitor.


Sure, because it's a movie, and movie can have these coincidental circumstances for added dramatism, it's the pinch of providence I've been talking about, there's nothing wrong with that.

I for one I'm happy this MCU movie made me feel ANYTHING, for the first time ever.

I rolled my eyes sooooo hard at Quipsilver's death.


Man, why do you make me repeat myself? he could've shown Tony the video at ANY time, the bad blood is inevitable after Zemo got his hands on the video.


This is true, but it would also be the case regardless of his relationship with Cap.


Yup.


I don't know man, I don't think you can put on Tony's shoes for real, I pity those who can, I can only image what it would be and I think his reaction is pretty natural.

Sorry for making you repeat yourself

I get what you're saying, but I'm saying that the ending is presented as Zemo had set everything up. Those 3 being there and all, with the exception of Panther. The dialogue really does present it that way, and he has them in the room he wants them in, and has the footage on the monitor already set for Tony to watch when he really should have had no idea any of this was about to happen.

I know it's horrible but I couldn't be upset at a brainwashed person for murdering my parents. Tony knew the deal, and finding out about his parents should have made him angrier at Hydra.

 

[GasparZizou]

Maybe I have to rewatch the scene myself, I've only seen it once after all.

Putlocker here I come

 

[GasparZizou]

Well, it still looks like he took the opportunity to me.

And seriously it's not that hard to play a video on another monitor, an USB and windows+P is all you need.

But anyway, this movie certainly doesn't need defending from me, I'll let others do it.

A question popped in my mind though P, is there anything you find emotional in the X-men movies? I can't think of anything myself. Did you read the spoilers for Apocalypse? There's something there that sounds pretty damn emotional.

 

[pturtle]

Well, it still looks like he took the opportunity to me.

And seriously it's not that hard to play a video on another monitor, an USB and windows+P is all you need.

But anyway, this movie certainly doesn't need defending from me, I'll let others do it.

A question popped in my mind though P, is there anything you find emotional in the X-men movies? I can't think of anything myself. Did you read the spoilers for Apocalypse? There's something there that sounds pretty damn emotional.

We’ll agree to disagree then

Emotional in the X-Men movies? Off the top of my head from my favorite movies in the franchise. X1 the beginning showing Magneto taken from his parents always hit me, then X2 Ice Man coming out to his parents I thought was pretty messed up the way the called the cops, plus Nightcrawler’s and Storm’s conversations about their past dealing with humans, First Class definitely Xavier helping Erik become stronger by tapping into his memories and bringing up the one with his mother and the ending with Xavier being shot, DOFP definitely Xavier convo with Wolverine leading to him talking to his future self.


I’m worried about Apocalypse, I heard there was a screening and supposedly reactions were mixed.

 

[Veil1]

I just popped in to say I loved it, great movie. No complaints. I just can't wade through the usual suspects trying to tear apart a great movie because they favor x men or B v S. Really looking forward to seeing the new Spiderman movie.

 

[GasparZizou]

We’ll agree to disagree then

Emotional in the X-Men movies? Off the top of my head from my favorite movies in the franchise. X1 the beginning showing Magneto taken from his parents always hit me, then X2 Ice Man coming out to his parents I thought was pretty messed up the way the called the cops, plus Nightcrawler’s and Storm’s conversations about their past dealing with humans, First Class definitely Xavier helping Erik become stronger by tapping into his memories and bringing up the one with his mother and the ending with Xavier being shot, DOFP definitely Xavier convo with Wolverine leading to him talking to his future self.

****, I did not think hard enough

I need to Marathon the Singerverse soon, before seeing Apoc.

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[pturtle]

****, I did not think hard enough

I need to Marathon the Singerverse soon, before seeing Apoc.

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I’m actually staying spoiler free for Apocalypse, did you read everything that goes down in the movie? I’m hearing from screenings that the reactions are mixed and to me the trailers were pretty bad so I’m not so confident in this movie like I was DOFP and X2

 

[GasparZizou]

I’m actually staying spoiler free for Apocalypse, did you read everything that goes down in the movie? I’m hearing from screenings that the reactions are mixed and to me the trailers were pretty bad so I’m not so confident in this movie like I was DOFP and X2

Yeah, someone who went to an advanced screening shared the overall plot in bullet points on 4chan a couple months ago, and the last trailer confirmed most of what he said.

It's hard to judge but it sounds at least as good as DOFP.

If you ask me it sounds better but who knows.

 

[pturtle]

Yeah, someone who went to an advanced screening shared the overall plot in bullet points on 4chan a couple months ago, and the last trailer confirmed most of what he said.

It's hard to judge but it sounds at least as good as DOFP.

If you ask me it sounds better but who knows.

Hopefully its good, but after those trailers I’m fully prepared for it to suck.

 

[chewblacca]

Age of Apocalypse looks cool. And my two cents on the ending, Zemo oreally only needed Tony there that's why he text behind the clues in the hotel. Friday told Tony while in the helicopter who Zemo was and what he left behind thereby giving credit to what Cap told him about the Winter Soldier's innocence. Based on that info Zemo knew that at least Tony would come after him to verify everything. Having Cap and the Winter Soldier there was an added bonus.

 

[bboy]

Love reading all this, I have so much to say but don't feel like it now. Most people have pretty much broken down step by step how the whole movie is quite shallow plot wise. Although I think it does a good job of disguising itself as having depth and making sense ( which in itself is a good thing! ). I'm realizing it's pretty much tailor maid for this generation, you can check your phone, go take a bathroom break, talk in the middle of it (all of which was going down the entire movie ) and the movie might actually be better. I'm surprised any one is defending Zemo though, if it wasn't for this thread I would have no idea what this guy's name was, he was just a Russian speaking guy with weak screen presence who muddled the plot every time he was there. The accords situation was enough and would have worked well and cut out some of the runtime, they could have made it funnel to the same conclusion with the starks parents thing. Really loved iron man telling capt that the shield doesn't belong to him, that was emotional to me. Damn right fool


Side note: kind of tired seeing xmen get kicked around in the dirt in here all the time. The xmen franchise has more emotion in one pinky finger than the entire mcu.

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[jye4ever]

pturtle,

Zemo set up a great reason why Cap, Bucky and IM would need to converge at that base, they went there to stop what they were tricked into believing were 5 other Winter Soldiers, pretty great plan by Zemo actually.

Zemo was more cunning than lucky.

Then again if I was Zemo I would've just sent the video to Avengers HQ far away from where I was staying and let them fight it out over there while I hooked up with that cute fraulein hotel worker who clearly had the hots for him.

 

[Victοr]

Eh, it seems to me folks are just looking for things to dislike, same with BvS. My impression is that now it's "cool" to hate the MCU and find "logical flaws" just because it's popular and well reviewed. If you look at any film, you'll find plot holes and things happening "just cause". Hell, comics themselves are a giant mass of things happening "just cause". Why did the spider bite Parker? How come the burglar killed Uncle Ben so that he could become selfless? How come Joe Chill killed the Waynes and didn't simply rob or just injure them? How come Erskine chose Steve Rogers because of his "character" and not just an army grun that would get the job done? Films, comics, books, they're all full of coincidences and plots that happen just so that the book can advance. Everything has a plot hole or two, but you ignore that because the film is actually good.

Saying that the MCU has no touching or drama-filled moments is just ignorant. We're talking about the same MCU that gave us Daredevil and Jessica Jones. We're talking about the same MCU which gave us Peter Quill reading his mother's letter in the end of GotG. If you don't find these emotional but find Iceman's contrived "have you tried not being one" moment, then eh, it's your opinion. It's not wrong, but I don't see it.

Now, I'm not a fanboy, just to set things straight. I love DoFP, I watch First Class at least once per year and I'll be watching the R-Cut of BvS. But this whole "movement" of people dissing the MCU and trashing it for things that very well apply to most, if not all CBMs, is a tad hypocritical IMO. It's just that, for all the hate for hipsters around here, people sure do behave like them...

 

[jye4ever]

Anyone else catch that CW and DD S2 both had a bad ass lengthy battle on multi level stairs.

The fights in this movie were so perfectly executed that I just don't see any other superhero movie even being able to equal it, forget surpassing it.

Falcon was beyond bad ass in this.

WM using his weapon pods all at once.

Every character had their own bad ass moments MULTIPLE times, just sick!

The action in this movie makes up for any minor plot conveniences that might exist.

WB/DC had just finally arrived at TWS level of intensity with BvS when CW comes along raising the bar another 10 fold!

This movie has easily joined the ranks of the best because it delivered the spectacle, what AOU should've been.

 

[Victοr]

Anyone else catch that CW and DD S2 both had a bad ass lengthy battle on multi level stairs.

The fights in this movie were so perfectly executed that I just don't see any other superhero movie even being able to equal it, forget surpassing it.

Falcon was beyond bad ass in this.

WM using his weapon pods all at once.

Every character had their own bad ass moments MULTIPLE times, just sick!

The action in this movie makes up for any minor plot conveniences that might exist.

My personal favourite moment in the staircase fight was when Bucky turned the railing into a ladder. That was pure comic book-iness...

 

[Sweet Rabbit]

Eh, it seems to me folks are just looking for things to dislike, same with BvS. My impression is that now it's "cool" to hate the MCU and find "logical flaws" just because it's popular and well reviewed. If you look at any film, you'll find plot holes and things happening "just cause". Hell, comics themselves are a giant mass of things happening "just cause". Why did the spider bite Parker? How come the burglar killed Uncle Ben so that he could become selfless? How come Joe Chill killed the Waynes and didn't simply rob or just injure them? How come Erskine chose Steve Rogers because of his "character" and not just an army grun that would get the job done? Films, comics, books, they're all full of coincidences and plots that happen just so that the book can advance. Everything has a plot hole or two, but you ignore that because the film is actually good.

Saying that the MCU has no touching or drama-filled moments is just ignorant. We're talking about the same MCU that gave us Daredevil and Jessica Jones. We're talking about the same MCU which gave us Peter Quill reading his mother's letter in the end of GotG. If you don't find these emotional but find Iceman's contrived "have you tried not being one" moment, then eh, it's your opinion. It's not wrong, but I don't see it.

Now, I'm not a fanboy, just to set things straight. I love DoFP, I watch First Class at least once per year and I'll be watching the R-Cut of BvS. But this whole "movement" of people dissing the MCU and trashing it for things that very well apply to most, if not all CBMs, is a tad hypocritical IMO. It's just that, for all the hate for hipsters around here, people sure do behave like them...

 

[jye4ever]

Yup,

going from this to any X-Men movie will be jarring now, it already was post TWS.

Can't wait to see Charles Xavier sitting in his wheelchair and Magneto lifting something big really slowly....Zzzz....Zzzz.