I’m sure most the members here can back this up that I’ve found the MCU to be pretty average since I joined up here. I just think a lot of comic book fanatics aren’t capable of being objective when it comes to viewing movies. I think Spiderman’s role in CW is a perfect example of that, most don’t care that he was shoehorned in and shoehorned right out of the movie, all they care about is one of the most popular superheroes ever making his MCU debut and acting like Spiderman.
I also don’t consider the netflix shows to be apart of the MCU really because as of right now Feige has nothing to do with those characters or their stories, in fact he and the head of the television department have a lot problems with each other from what Ive read.
I don’t see whats contrived about the Ice Man coming out scene, I thought it was a great allegorical and relatable scene that really sums up the X-Men’s role in comics, they’re outcasts and Singer took something personal to him to show that. To me, the Peter Quill letter wasn’t emotional at all because I’ve seen that cliche done a thousand times in other movies, hell, CW ever ended similarly. Its all a matter of opinions though, I don’t know why every time I give my opinion on a movie people try to respond by crapping on one of the X-Men films. I enjoyed CW, I posted what I liked about the movie and what I didn’t, I gave it a solid 7/10, why do people assume I’m trying to crap on the movie for that?
Shoe-horned or not, he was a great addition and didn't hinder the narrative. If you look hard enough, you'll find plot-holes and shoe-horned stuff in all CBMs and most movies. Just let it go and enjoy the experience! You don't have to like the film, but dunno, Spider-Man isn't something for which I'd detract points. Kitty Pryde magically being able to send people back in time was far more of "hey, now she can do that, somehow..." moment for me, but it didn't hurt my enjoyment of the flick.
Eh, they're still part of the MCU, just like Agent Carter and AoS are. And IMO, these two shows have portrayed "realistic" superheroes perfectly and have done a bang-up job of tackling serious themes without hitting you over the head with the "here's a symbolism/metaphore, wooohooo, we're so smart!" board.
It was still far too on the nose, and I'm simply not someone who likes that "technique". Same reason why I didn't like Luthor Jr.'s ramblings. I appreciate the thought behind it, but it's execution is lacking. IMO at least. As for Quill's letter, cliche or not, it was a tear-jerker. This guy was holding on to his mom's letter for years. He didn't even get to say goodbye because he was scared and afraid, and all this time, he remained the same scared little boy. But after the events of the film, he finally gets the courage to open it. For me at least, that sure is emotional. Not to mention's Rocket's drunken outburst or Drax petting him at the end. They're not groundbreaking moments that discuss a major issue, they're just quiet, character-driven scenes that symbolize growth.
As for the latter part, I was speaking in general, so sorry if it came out like that. It's just that people love to **** on the MCU because it's the "kewl" thing to do nowadays. They nitpick it, they spend hours pointing out the most minor of plot-holes, all in order to trash it and proclaim their preffered studio is superior. Personally, I do admit that my distain for Snyder has bled into BvS and has lowered the score. I do admit that I'm a Marvel fan so I'm gonna go easier on MCU flicks because of that. I admit that I'm a tad biased. What I can't stand, is all those "oh, I'm not biased, it's just a trash movie, while [...] is much superior, and it's the bjective truth" folks who constantly stir up trouble.
Who ignored X3 and Origins? I think X3 worse than even the bad MCU films like Thor, Iron Man sequels and both Avengers flicks and I think Origins is arguably the worst superhero film of all time.
Eh, most forget them. I was speaking in general, not really "targeting" you, sorry it came out that way. I frequent other forums as well, and the people there are really riding that X-****.
I personally look at the movies as a else world universe. In fact the more they deviate from the comics the more I tend to like the movie. The X-Men are my favorite team in comics, but none of those characters are in my top five favorites growing up. I actually never cared about the Batman films, yet I like TDK trilogy more than any other group of superhero films to date. I think X2’s and Spiderman 2’s action are far better than CW and TWS.
Personally I was always more of a "solo" guy, so the teams never appealed to me. I've read my fair share of X-Men, Avengers, all that, from the 60s and onwards, but I was always more interested in the "loners", like Moon Knight, Ghost Rider, Doctor Strange, Black Panther, Silver Surfer, and the B-list teams like the Thunderbolts or the Midnight Sons. So, for me at least, portraying a character right, counts a lot in my book. Now, a good story is prioritized over faithfulness to the book, but I need the characters to at least be recognizable. For me, the X-Films have done well enough with Xavier, Magneto and Wolverine, but that's pretty much it at this point. We'll see how Apocalypse turns out.
PS: Reading any of the current X-Titles? I'm pulling Uncanny & Deadpool myself. EXOXM has been a massive dissapointment though.
But Cap is Cap, so no shame there.
