Captain America: Civil War (May 6, 2016)

[GasparZizou]

https://panels.net/2016/05/26/on-steve-rogers-1-antisemitism-and-publicity-stunts/

 

[Khev]

CW is absolutely not a one and done theatrically.

Hell, i'm up to 4 already, but tonight is an X-Men night, I need a good nights sleep anyways so this should help.

Well I caught CW in IMAX again (this time 2D) and wow, that is one hell of a movie. That opening with Crossbones could serve as an epic finale to pretty much any given action movie. I was really able to soak it in more without having to lean over and quietly explain bits and pieces to my kids throughout.

So Zemo didn't frame Bucky to have a pro-Bucky/anti-Bucky war (he wanted the war of course, he just wasn't counting on the bombing of the UN building to do it.) All along he just wanted the tape of the Stark killings. And he had to flush Bucky out of hiding to do that, activated his brainwashing, got him to disclose the location of the Siberia base so that he could go get the footage. Then at any point from that point on he could show it to Stark and/or the Avengers. And everything else (Bucky/Panther chase, airport battle, even Siberia bunker showdown) were all just ripple effects of Zemo's actions and NOT some ridiculously contrived plot of his where he was magically pulling everyone's strings. Everything happened so damn organically. I think that might be my favorite villain plot of any superhero movie.

A couple nice moments that really stood out this time; Steve pausing on the staircase to gather himself after the news of Peggy's death (great move by the Russos not to have him leave the room and then just immediately cut to the funeral) and the slow-motion pounding of Cap and Stark on each other when Zemo was explaining to T'Challa that the only way a normal man can make superheroes fall is by making them turn on one another.

I suppose if I had to strain myself to come up with a single nitpick it'd be that the Vision/Wanda cooking scene probably could have been left on the cutting room floor and that some of the effects of a hero falling a great distance and hitting the ground or being thrown into a wall looked visibly CG. But that's it. Damn.

 

[GodzillaSpawn]

That's exactly right. But he also made the death of the doctor public at a very crucial time. So when the news reported his death, it proved Bucky's innocence. That, I'm assuming, was to lead Stark there. He probably was even hoping others would come as well so there might be more carnage.

As for some of the quieter, more subtle moments I loved:

- T'Challa and T'Chaka
- Tony asking Peter Parker why he does what he does and what gets him out of that twin bed lol
- Falcon and Bucky's interactions
- Tony messing with Ross after getting Caps location
- I loved how Tony and Cap were reconciling...before everything went to ****
- Clints interaction with everybody, especially Tony and Panther
- Tony and Rhodey's talk at the end with the Tony stank included
- Zemo and Panthers moment

I hate to say it, but I thought the females were the weakest point of the movie. All three were good, but none of them really had great lines and truly memorable moments to me. I mean Wanda is a beast and she was probably the best out of the three, but the guys are just on another level screen presence

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[Khev]

As for some of the quieter, more subtle moments I loved:

- T'Challa and T'Chaka
- Tony asking Peter Parker why he does what he does and what gets him out of that twin bed lol
- Falcon and Bucky's interactions
- Tony messing with Ross after getting Caps location
- I loved how Tony and Cap were reconciling...before everything went to ****
- Clints interaction with everybody, especially Tony and Panther
- Tony and Rhodey's talk at the end with the Tony stank included
- Zemo and Panthers moment

Agreed on all of the above. I also really like a lot of Cap/Bucky moments as well. Ignoring the idiotic "shipping" thing going on I really got the impression that Bucky was not only his best friend but was also a personification of his life in 1945 that was otherwise gone forever (especially after Peggy passed.) So while Steve and Tony both disagreed ideologically, they both also had personal (perhaps even selfish) reasons for wanting to sign/not sign. Tony wanted to show Pepper that he was accepting regulation and Steve didn't want to lose Bucky. Not that Cap would have fought for Bucky's freedom if he was really evil of course but it just added that extra, more personal level to the conflict.

I liked their chat about the girls from their youth where Bucky said, "Geez, they'd be over 90 years old right now." "So are we pal, so are we."

Also it was funny after two straight movies of Bucky owning everyone with his metal arm that when he went to punch Spidey, Spidey just caught his fist in the palm of his hand and almost casually twisted it aside to marvel at it. "You have a metal arm? That's awesome!"

As for the ladies, you may have a point. Though I like how Widow and Sharon in particular decided to take the position of being supportive of the two alphas while trying to de-escalate at the same time.

 

[jye4ever]

Great 2nd review khev and follow up analysis by GojiraAlSimmons!

 

[Khev]

Thank you sir. How was X-Men?

 

[jye4ever]

I'm working on that right now!

 

[Khev]

Sweet. Many laughing Evans gifs are standing by awaiting further orders.

 

[jye4ever]

I will dumping it in the Apoc thread and running right back here to my safe zone.

 

[Khev]

jye after posting his X-Men review:

 

[jye4ever]

Ummm, what is that from, looks cool, I like it!

 

[Khev]

Mission Impossible: X-Men Review Protocol

 

[jye4ever]

I'm losing it, I could've sworn I saw that movie.

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

I'm losing it, I could've sworn I saw that movie.

Someone erased your mind.

 

[kryptonianmutie]

https://panels.net/2016/05/26/on-steve-rogers-1-antisemitism-and-publicity-stunts/

That was a well written rant/ commentary.

Someone erased your mind.

Someone needs to add a thought bubble that says "forget you ever heard of rotten tomatoes" to that gif.

 

[Hydeous]

Was wondering if any of you guys got any of the movie promo stuffs?

Here's the one I got, along with the other past Cap movie:

 

[e30ernest]

I have an IM tumbler, but they gave me a BvS bucket for my popcorn... They apparently had a surplus of BvS stuff...

 

[GodzillaSpawn]

Agreed on all of the above. I also really like a lot of Cap/Bucky moments as well. Ignoring the idiotic "shipping" thing going on I really got the impression that Bucky was not only his best friend but was also a personification of his life in 1945 that was otherwise gone forever (especially after Peggy passed.) So while Steve and Tony both disagreed ideologically, they both also had personal (perhaps even selfish) reasons for wanting to sign/not sign. Tony wanted to show Pepper that he was accepting regulation and Steve didn't want to lose Bucky. Not that Cap would have fought for Bucky's freedom if he was really evil of course but it just added that extra, more personal level to the conflict.

I liked their chat about the girls from their youth where Bucky said, "Geez, they'd be over 90 years old right now." "So are we pal, so are we."

Also it was funny after two straight movies of Bucky owning everyone with his metal arm that when he went to punch Spidey, Spidey just caught his fist in the palm of his hand and almost casually twisted it aside to marvel at it. "You have a metal arm? That's awesome!" [emoji38]

As for the ladies, you may have a point. Though I like how Widow and Sharon in particular decided to take the position of being supportive of the two alphas while trying to de-escalate at the same time.

Yeah it was nice to finally see Bucky and Cap come together again in a consistent sense. I watched Captain America TFA last night and you can see just how beefed up Bucky got for this role.

I agree with your take on the women...I also enjoyed Widow coming to the funeral just so Cap wasn't alone despite their strong differences in opinion. I would have liked for the other characters to show up to show Cap that even though the issue is important enough that eventually it might be problematic, they were all still friends. That would have just been a preference though...

I think even though I knew what was going to happen I was still hoping that the avengers would find a way to avoid splintering up lol

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[filip629]

https://panels.net/2016/05/26/on-steve-rogers-1-antisemitism-and-publicity-stunts/

Yeah, that sums it up perfectly. Marvel pissed all over Cap and his legacy. They literally undid everything about the character that makes him Cap. Man, I can't stand comics nowadays.

 

[chewblacca]

Watched it again, and loved t even more. It would have been cool if both Cap and Natasha broke the rest of the group out of the raft at the end.