Captain America: Civil War (May 6, 2016)

[Khev]

Who would have thought watching Back to School that Robert Downey Jr and Danny Elfman would be so huge 30 years later. I wonder if RDJ ever asks him to bust out Dead Man's Party just for old time's sake.

 

[ZaCHw117]

I suppose this scene didn't fit his narrative.
From the 1:14


BTW, asking people if they can hum movie music is a pretty weak methodology to prove a point, especially from such a small sample size. Did he ask anyone to hum music from Schindler's List? I ****ing doubt it, but that's as emotionally engaging as it gets and I doubt you'd find 3 random people on the street who've seen it that can hum the theme.

No it does, there are some great tunes in the MCU, (like the one in TWS that he mentioned) but they drown it out with SFX and other dialogue, I'm not saying which way I prefer, because if the music is too noticeable it does take you out of the experience.

Schindler's List isn't a franchise like Star Wars, Pirates of the Caribbean, or Lord of the Rings. So that point is moot since it's not even in the same ballpark of conversation.

Isn't that all you really wanted to say though? "I liked the music in Suicide Squad more than [insert any given Marvel movie.]" That video you posted just smacks of biased, agenda driven "I'm going to prove my why opinion is right" internet silliness. All of the "evidence" supporting his claim can easily be shot down. Music is inspired and "risky" if he can find three people on the streets of Vancouver who can hum the tune? How many did he interview? What would he have done if the first person hummed Cap's theme from The First Avenger? Play that person's clip? Yeah right. He gave a tiny, heavily edited example of a few people who support his theory.

No it's not all I wanted to say, even when I posted the video I defended the MCU saying I could easily hum that theme off the top of my head. I posted the video to spark a conversation because I figured you think it interesting. I liked SS music, but it was just that- music. There wasn't much of a score in there.

I agree on the other themes not being hummable, but you're focusing on the first 2 minutes of that video too much (like everyone else) his "hum" pass can be thrown completely to the side, and he still brings up huge points about the lack of MCU's inspiration in the music department.

Then there's his other examples. TWS had great music but he singles out the Smithsonian narrator who was actually being heard by the characters in the movie itself? Hardly indicative of the entirety of the MCU. That'd be like me showing a five second clip of R2 being hunted by jawas in order to bolster my claim that Star Wars has no music at all.

Yeah, but that scene was telling us nothing we didn't know. We know Cap was frozen in time, we know he fights for the Avengers etc. IMO the version with just the tune makes it a much more powerful and emotional moment. Especially when the kid wearing the Cap shirt is the only one who notices who he is.

Keep in mind that I *do* agree with you ZaCHw117 that Marvel doesn't have a truly transcendent theme like Superman or Star Wars. And I wish they did. But keep in mind that few films do and if you prefer SS's music over Marvel that's great but it's not like any random person would recall any themes from that movie either.

I don't know where you're getting this from? my sig? you act as though I'm biased. I never once mentioned SS in my original post. Yeah, I like the rap tunes and some of the classic rock they used, but that doesn't make it a good score. even if it goes really well with the movie.

I agree that humming a theme doesn’t equal quality. You could even argue that making a theme hummable makes it cheap and tacky.


But those are very interesting points about the directive to make music invisible in movies. I had heard about Danny Elfman’s hatred for temp music—he had said that he butt heads with Raimi wanting Elfman to sound more like the temp music he had chosen. And I knew that there were some bits from various soundtracks that copied each other too. But watching that guy’s examples was still enlightening. So even though the guy started out with that dumb whistle challenge, he still made some good points in his video.

I went out on the street and asked random people if they could sing Mmmbop, Barbie Girl, The Macarena, and that Bye Bye Bye boy band song. They all could. Then I asked them to hum Schindler's List. They couldn't. I guess we have conclusive proof that John Williams sucked in the 90's.

Did I ever once say that the video was "PROOF DAT DUH MCU MUSIC IS TEH BAD"?

so stop acting like I did.

I seem to have struck a cord, Khev. I like the MCU music and I like most of the DCEU music. But don't get overly defensive because I bring up a relatively small negative point about a universe you absolutely love.

 

[Khev]

Yeah, but that scene was telling us nothing we didn't know. We know Cap was frozen in time, we know he fights for the Avengers etc.

Actually no one who was introduced to Cap by Winter Soldier alone would have known any of that. Sequels are never required to recap past events but the way the Russos did it was pretty damn organic since Cap had a good reason for going to that exhibit, an exhibit that just so happened to bring all newcomers up to speed as well.

What I want to know is why do you camp out on nothing but how hummable a score is in relation to its quality? Is this all an excuse to knock down Schindler's List in favor of Suicide Squad?

 

[ZaCHw117]

What I want to know is why do you camp out on nothing but how hummable a score is in relation to its quality? Is this all an excuse to knock down Schindler's List in favor of Suicide Squad?

I don't know where you're getting this from? my sig? you act as though I'm biased. I never once mentioned SS in my original post. Yeah, I like the rap tunes and some of the classic rock they used, but that doesn't make it a good score. even if it goes really well with the movie.

No it's not all I wanted to say, even when I posted the video I defended the MCU saying I could easily hum that theme off the top of my head. I posted the video to spark a conversation because I figured you think it interesting. I liked SS music, but it was just that- music. There wasn't much of a score in there.

I agree on the other themes not being hummable, but you're focusing on the first 2 minutes of that video too much (like everyone else) his "hum" test can be thrown completely to the side, and he still brings up huge points about the lack of MCU's inspiration in the music department.

he doesn't even mention Suicide Squad in the video.

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

Jye, you also forgot the greatest 70's theme ever.

 

[karamazov80]

Who would have thought watching Back to School that Robert Downey Jr and Danny Elfman would be so huge 30 years later. I wonder if RDJ ever asks him to bust out Dead Man's Party just for old time's sake.

Oingo Boingo > Danny Elfman composed soundtracks



Every day, Judd Nelson asks himself where he went wrong. And the answer was, he didn't invade strangers' homes in the nude while in a drug induced stupor. You just can't buy that kind of publicity.

 

[Khev]

I'm just messing with you. That guy's video was silly but I know you didn't create it. I figured that you really did post it as food for thought until you followed with how much you didn't like Marvel and loved Suicide Squad's music. That's what made me question what point you were really trying to make in the first place.

 

[jye4ever]

Jye, you also forgot the greatest 70's theme ever.

Oingo Boingo > Danny Elfman composed soundtracks



Every day, Judd Nelson asks himself where he went wrong. And the answer was, he didn't invade strangers' homes in the nude while in a drug induced stupor. You just can't buy that kind of publicity.

 

[Bo Shrek]

Made the blu ray purchase and watched CW for the second time. While I enjoyed it there are the “surprise” elements that are naturally removed from second viewing (i.e.. Car Crash conclusion & Zemo phone message)

Also just like in the first viewing the Airport and end scene battle did leave a bad taste in my mouth. I didn’t like the good guys fighting each other. Yeah I get it, its from the comic source material but from a “non comic guy” its like Han and Luke going full throttle in ROTJ and later Luke send Han a hologram saying “Sorry”!

In the end I love everything Stark/Iron Man and I think AOU will get more views in my home as it is a bloated fun flick!

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

Also just like in the first viewing the Airport and end scene battle did leave a bad taste in my mouth. I didn’t like the good guys fighting each other. Yeah I get it, its from the comic source material but from a “non comic guy” its like Han and Luke going full throttle in ROTJ and later Luke send Han a hologram saying “Sorry”!
!

At least Han Solo would be useful in the film

 

[karamazov80]

I thought it worked well in a pro wrestling logic kind of way. For example, Iron Man is going with Ms. Elizabeth, but Cap rescues her, which makes Iron Man jealous, so they have to fight it out with their buddies at the airfield. And honestly, that's the most I really hope to see in comic movies

WB instead says, let's take Hulk Hogan, but make him act like Undertaker, and get beat up and also pinned by Shawn Michaels, but 5 seconds later team up with Wendy Richter to fight King Kong Bundy. And then have Hogan levitate through the Titantron screen, and end the Pay Per View.

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

^^

98% of people here won't get any of that

 

[karamazov80]

Here is an easier summary:

Marvel Studios:



WB:

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

Here is an easier summary:

WB:

This one is also an effective example of the SW prequels

Credit to Sid for staying in character.

 

[ZaCHw117]

I'm just messing with you. That guy's video was silly but I know you didn't create it. I figured that you really did post it as food for thought until you followed with how much you didn't like Marvel and loved Suicide Squad's music. That's what made me question what point you were really trying to make in the first place.

Where?

Where at in this thread have I said that?

Edit: read the last few pages and nope, I didn't say anything remotely close to that. Today I learned Khev is more perma-stoned then me.

 

[Khev]

My mistake, apparently when you said you loved SS's music but would never even consider picking up an MCU soundtrack that meant that you didn't dislike Marvel's music. Okay...

 

[ZaCHw117]

My mistake, apparently when you said you loved SS's music but would never even consider picking up an MCU soundtrack that meant that you didn't dislike Marvel's music. Okay...

it's uninspired and completely unoriginal. the MCU isn't the only one though, I feel the new X men movies have lame themes, a long with the TASM 1/2. That's one thing the DCEU has done right so far in comparison. MOS, BvS both had great scores. SS had an amazing soundtrack that topped the billboard charts. I've never once considered buying an MCU/Xmen OST/Soundtrack.

Soundtrack, with hip-hop songs. Not a score. There's a MASSIVE difference. And not once did I say I LOVED it. Putting words in my mouth.

I mean for ****'s sakes I even went on to say this:

No it's not all I wanted to say, even when I posted the video I defended the MCU saying I could easily hum that theme off the top of my head. I posted the video to spark a conversation because I figured you think it interesting. I liked SS music, but it was just that- music. There wasn't much of a score in there.

.

but as a typical occurrence on this board, we see one sentence that we disagree with and automatically jump to conclusions, or post stupid memes instead of understanding one's point and debating it.



tldr; khev pulled a tldr.

 

[Khev]

 

[ZaCHw117]

point proven.

 

[Khev]

Why are you so worked up about this? You even just quoted yourself saying "the MCU isn't the only one though, I feel the new X men movies have lame themes." Lumping in the MCU with the "lame themes" of X-Men. Obviously you can't see how that would be taken as a disparaging comment which I find strange but honestly who cares. I simply asked if your motive in posting the video was because you wanted an excuse to praise SS's score over those from Marvel. You're saying no. Okay, done. Not sure why this is even a thing.