Captain Marvel - March 8, 2019

[Malgus]

I can't wait for Veterans day. I will tell all those Vietnam vets in wheelchairs about the time I bought a CA movie ticket.

Didn't most of them Support a 4 time draft dodger?

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

Didn't most of them Support a 4 time draft dodger?

Clinton?

 

[jal76]

We already established that doesn’t necessarily mean all 700 million dollars of them.

Yeah...well the sequels usually don't do as well as the first one...

 

[jimcap]

 

[SilverStar17]

Yeah...well the sequels usually don't do as well as the first one...

Usually because people didn’t like the first.

 

[Malgus]

Clinton?

I am sure you already know the correct answer.

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

I am sure you already know the correct answer.

I don't. There are several draft dodgers.

 

[Wor-Gar]

I read once somewhere that close to 90% of Disney vacations are booked by women.

Brie Larson can book a trip for me any time she likes.

 

[xipotec]

Brie Larson can book a trip for me any time she likes.

Yes. Here she is showing you your next vacation spot....

Well know for the friendly monkeys that inhabit the island.

Sent from the inside of a giant slug in outer space.....

 

[jal76]

Usually because people didn’t like the first.

Wow...I am a little shaken... I've been under the I guess...mistaken impression that Star Wars, Jaws, The Godfather, Ghostbusters, Back to the Future, Raiders of the Lost Ark, Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring, The Avengers, Batman, Iron Man, Donner's Superman, and a whole bunch of other classics were pretty well liked in spite of the fact that their sequels did not do as well. Guess all of those turkeys are just my own guilty pleasures.

 

[SilverStar17]

Wow...I am a little shaken... I've been under the I guess...mistaken impression that Star Wars, Jaws, The Godfather, Ghostbusters, Back to the Future, Raiders of the Lost Ark, Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring, The Avengers, Batman, Iron Man, Donner's Superman, and a whole bunch of other classics were pretty well liked in spite of the fact that their sequels did not do as well. Guess all of those turkeys are just my own guilty pleasures.

Could be. Again, like we already mutually established, box office numbers aren’t indicative of people actually liking what they watched. It just means a lot of people saw the film while it was in theaters. If they didn’t like what they saw, that could affect box office numbers of the sequel.

 

[jal76]

Could be. Again, like we already mutually established, box office numbers aren’t indicative of people actually liking what they watched. It just means a lot of people saw the film. If they didn’t like what they saw, that could affect box office numbers of the sequel.

Could not be...you know that those films are pretty close to being universally revered. As the list above indicates they are darned if they do and darned if they don't because if you make films like Jaws and The Godfather and still see a box office drop for the sequel then the opposite could also be true. The other thing that we have established is that Bob Iger and Kevin Feige are not the fans' Daddys. It's not their job to make them happy...it's their job to separate them from their cash. If they have to make them happy to do it they will...if they can do it without making them happy...they still will. I have yet to talk about whether people "like" the film or not because it does not matter. I loved BLADERUNNER 2049...my wife loved it...everyone that I know who saw it loved it...the critics loved it...it didn't make any money so there ain't gonna be a BLADERUNNER 2050. Betcha we get a Captain Marvel 2.

 

[Wor-Gar]

Yes. Here she is showing you your next vacation spot....

Well know for the friendly monkeys that inhabit the island.

Sent from the inside of a giant slug in outer space.....

Well placed strap...









Guess 'toxic masculinity' is OK sometimes...

 

[SilverStar17]

Could not be...you know that those films are pretty close to being universally revered. As the list above indicates they are darned if they do and darned if they don't because if you make films like Jaws and The Godfather and still see a box office drop for the sequel then the opposite could also be true. The other thing that we have established is that Bob Iger and Kevin Feige are not the fans' Daddys. It's not their job to make them happy...it's their job to separate them from their cash. If they have to make them happy to do it they will...if they can do it without making them happy...they still will. I have yet to talk about whether people "like" the film or not because it does not matter. I loved BLADERUNNER 2049...my wife loved it...everyone that I know who saw it loved it...the critics loved it...it didn't make any money so there ain't gonna be a BLADERUNNER 2050. Betcha we get a Captain Marvel 2.

Well what premise are we discussing? That box office numbers aren’t indicative of how much people actually liked what they watched? Or that companies only care about money/box office numbers? Because a lot of films could become universally revered later on, and not necessarily while they’re in theaters.

 

[punisher1974]

Well placed strap...









Guess 'toxic masculinity' is OK sometimes...

Yep very nice Chi Chi's

 

[jal76]

Well what premise are we discussing? That box office numbers aren’t indicative of how much people liked a film? Or that companies only care about money?

Well both are so apparent that they may be past the point of discussion...the theater gets your money before you have seen the film so that answers that. There is no laugh or applause meter that monitors audience enjoyment and adds money to the box office cash register every time the needle goes up.I don't think anyone on this site needs to be told that companies only care about money because that goes without saying. I think fandom in general is unique in that fans feel that their opinions should count...and they do to a certain extent...not regarding whether the finished product is actually enjoyed or not but whether it can be presented in a way that entices them to see it. Unfortunately not all fans are the same and not all opinions can be catered to. This is where the feelings get hurt...when some of the fans are slapped with the sad realization that their opinions are not the ones that count to the folks running the factory. As far as post-release reverence goes...after the Disney executives wrap up their celebration of having earned a billion dollars in box office receipts I do not think anyone is going to lose their job because a few Blu Rays are still siting on a shelf at Wal Mart somewhere unsold.

 

[SilverStar17]

Well that’s true. Curiosity could pique someone’s interest to where it causes them to flock to see the film, but when they actually watch it, thought that what they saw sucked. So therefore, they don’t see the sequel. Hence, it could affect the box office numbers of the sequel.

However, if the company got your money at the box office, then it’s a win for them. But if the fans didn’t like something about it, then it could require going back to the drawing board if a sequel has been planned.

But films can always become classics later on. Box office numbers don’t always determine that.

 

[e30ernest]

I like how the "proof" that CM gloom and doom predictions/conclusions have evolved:

• Before the film opened - Opening BO predictions are going lower because of the outrage.
• Opening day - BO figures won't meet the expected value
• Opening weekend - Ok so it's going to hit BO numbers above expectations... But watch my words, the second weekend will plummet once people find out how bad this movie is.
• Second weekend drop-off is below the average - It doesn't matter, we'll see how much people hated this when the sequel comes out.

Or maybe we should just accept that most of the audience enjoyed the movie enough and that this middle of the road MCU film was not as bad as people wanted it to be. Even in this thread, initial positive reviews pushed members to watch it. Most people that watched it in this thread also came out of the theater finding the movie to be flawed but enjoyable.

 

[jal76]

Well that’s true. Curiosity could pique someone’s interest to where it piques their interest to see the film, but when they actually watch it, thought that what they saw sucked. So therefore, they don’t see the sequel. Hence, it could affect the box office numbers of the sequel.

However, if the company got your money at the box office, then it’s a win for them.

But films can always become cult classics later on. Box office numbers don’t always determine that.

True box office numbers do not determine what becomes a cult classic...but then neither does quality...and while I can list a bunch of movies that had strong first parts that performed well and then had underperforming sequels...there have been instances where a sequel has performed stronger and then a whole bunch of subjective opinions about which movie was "better" and so on. Who knows...maybe people don't see the sequel not because of any opinion that they had of the first movie but simply because it just does not look good to them. With all of these variables the only thing a studio can do is release a film and make as much money on the release as they can...which is why Disney is the most successful movie studio in the world.

 

[abake]

Finally got to see it. Not bad. Not terribly good either, but entertaining. Like most MCU flicks, actually.
The story and script were so-so, and I found the action slightly below par for a Superhero/Blockbuster type of movie. The fight were nothing special, the space battle was nothing special, the flying around wasn't terribly memorable... although I did like when Captain Marvel streaked across the sky, I liked how well they did that comic-book light-streak in the sky.
I found the girl empowerment stuff a bit too "in your face"... I mean, I get it that some people (most people apparently) need stuff to be super obvious and spelled out for them, but I find it slightly boring when movies (or any form of art or entertainment) feel the need to be so obvious about their "messages". It's one of the reasons I prefer Apocalypse Now over Platoon, for example. I wholeheartedly agree with the message of inclusion and female empowerment, I just find the way they did it exaggerated.
I had no problem with Carol Danvers/Vers' character, she was just playing a stereotypical, can't-do-anything-wrong male hero straight out of the 80's and 90's, so it was kinda fun to see that played by a woman.
The musical cues and references to the 90's were fine by me, but they failed to make me feel nostalgic for the era, so I guess they failed there.

Again, I find it slightly mystifying that such a bland movie can be seen as having any true cultural impact, just as was the case with Black Panther.