Captain Marvel - March 8, 2019

[jal76]

I like how the "proof" that CM gloom and doom predictions/conclusions have evolved:

• Before the film opened - Opening BO predictions are going lower because of the outrage.
• Opening day - BO figures won't meet the expected value
• Opening weekend - Ok so it's going to hit BO numbers above expectations... But watch my words, the second weekend will plummet once people find out how bad this movie is.
• Second weekend drop-off is below the average - It doesn't matter, we'll see how much people hated this when the sequel comes out.

Or maybe we should just accept that most of the audience enjoyed the movie enough and that this middle of the road MCU film was not as bad as people wanted it to be. Even in this thread, initial positive reviews pushed members to watch it. Most people that watched it in this thread also came out of the theater finding the movie to be flawed but enjoyable.

Ha ha too true. Next it will be "well the movie made 1.5 Billion dollars but the $7.95 paperback novelization did not sell as well as the novelization of The Winter Soldier."

 

[e30ernest]

Ha ha too true. Next it will be "well the movie made 1.5 Billion dollars but the $7.95 paperback novelization did not sell as well as the novelization of The Winter Soldier."

It's almost like the figure announcement cycle:

• Figure is announced - Soe excited to see this figure come out!
• Figure proto photos emerge - They got (X) wrong.... They got (Y) right...
• More discussions on protos - MUST BUY!!!
• Price announced- WTF WHY IS THIS TOO EXPENSIVE
• More weeks pass - TOO EXPENSIVE... PASS
• Figure ships, blog photos are out - I want this, wait listed.
• Still wait listed - Where else can I buy this at retail?
• Scalpers sell above price - Fine I'll buy it. It's worth it anyway.

 

[Wor-Gar]

Essentially the 5 stages of Grief:

1. Denial - I don't need this figure - I won't see this movie
2. Anger - this figure looks like its gonna suck - this movie looks like its gonna suck
3. Bargaining - well, its getting mixed reviews, maybe there's some value
4. Depression - I feel left out, maybe I'm going to miss out
5. Acceptance - I need this figure - I need to see this movie

 

[jimcap]

A fair analysis of CM performance so far.


Folks need to stop with the crazy conspiracy theory, There is plenty of legitimate reasons to criticize the film. Just stick to the facts.

 

[e30ernest]

I like some of the content from Midnight Edge, but I do think they are reaching here. Saying RT is helping Disney seems odd, given that RT is owned by a rival company. It's more likely that RT is getting bot bombed than it is actually helping Disney on its own accord.

Also, I don't buy the buying of tickets to protect their stock prices for the Fox acquisition. First, wouldn't the stock values be locked in already for the Fox acquisition months before CM was released? Also, the reports are coming from an anonymous theater owner. Sounds like nothing but clickbait to me.

 

[Otomofan]

My 72 year old dad went and saw it last Monday. He said he "loved" it.

He also has absolutely **** taste in movies, television, and music.

But hey, I love my dad, so if some vapid piece of crap keeps him entertained for 2 hours, I'm happy for him.

I don't care either way about the success or "failure" of this movie, other than the fact that it's gonna ruin everything all those people have built and worked towards with Endgame. But I've already seen the bloated corpse of SW get consistently violated, so what's one more beloved franchise?

Well, if LOST and Twin Peaks and How I Met Your Mother and most of Stephen King's output have taught us; it's that starting and building universes is the fun, easy part. Satisfying endings are hard.

I was avoiding spoilers for Endgame but I don't see any point now. May as well rip the bandaid off in one quick motion and just read about how Captain Perfect fixes everything.

At least my dad will like it.

 

[jye4ever]

Isn’t it amazing how easy it is to sit at a keyboard and easily dismiss 11 years worth of a ground breaking historic and super successful and loved connected cinematic universe based off 2D comic book cartoons from characters dressed in silly tights?

Lets do this.

Look at the end credits of every MCU movie we’re looking at how many names, thousands if not hundreds of thousands of artists from hundreds of departments from around the globe for these past 11 years, right and that’s not even counting the producers, writers, actors and directors!

So now sit in front of all of those hundreds of thousands of creators and say this exact quote to them:

“Building universes is the fun, EASY PART!” (but ultimately you failed miserably).

When you’re done with your one sentence opinion that took maybe 0.000001% of effort and brain cell to generate you can then feel great comfort knowing they will pat you on your head, give you a parting gift of a shiny new dunce cap and send you back on your way to your super exciting creative life next to your keyboard.

For me personally Avengers End Game is the god damn D-Day Landing at Normandy of cinema after 11 years worth of planning for it.

CM is the flight heading towards those beaches and i’m looking forward to her and her fellow Avengers getting their hands dirty one more time and for some their last time.

 

[generalszabo]

A fair analysis of CM performance so far.


Folks need to stop with the crazy conspiracy theory, There is plenty of legitimate reasons to criticize the film. Just stick to the facts.

Facts aren't facts any more, I enjoy the film for what it is, there's always going to be some people trying to piss on the parade. There's plenty of reasons to like the film also

 

[jimcap]

For me personally Avengers End Game is the god damn D-Day Landing at Normandy of cinema after 11 years worth of planning for it.

CM is the flight heading towards those beaches and i’m looking forward to her and her fellow Avengers getting their hands dirty one more time and for some their last time.

 

[jye4ever]

Jesus H that’s beautiful and perfectly hit the spot.

 

[jimcap]

Jesus H that’s beautiful.

I still don't like CM.

 

[jye4ever]

I still don't like CM.

And that’s perfectly fine but for me I found it to be more enjoyable than BP.



At least you’re not some buffoon labeling AEG a failure before even seeing it or labeling the entire MCU as crap because of CM or your feelings on Brie who cares what she has to say Larson.

In other words your spine is not made of fine porcelain lol

 

[xipotec]

Facts aren't facts any more, I enjoy the film for what it is, there's always going to be some people trying to piss on the parade. There's plenty of reasons to like the film also

This is poetry sir..


Sent from the inside of a giant slug in outer space.....

 

[Otomofan]

And that’s perfectly fine but for me I found it to be more enjoyable than BP.



At least you’re not some buffoon labeling AEG a failure before even seeing it or labeling the entire MCU as crap because of CM or your feelings on Brie who cares what she has to say Larson.

In other words your spine is not made of fine porcelain lol

Sorry pal. Some of us have taste.

 

[jimcap]

And that’s perfectly fine but for me I found it to be more enjoyable than BP.



At least you’re not some buffoon labeling AEG a failure before even seeing it or labeling the entire MCU as crap because of CM or your feelings on Brie who cares what she has to say Larson.

In other words your spine is not made of fine porcelain lol

I think people have legitimate concerns. CM has been the poster girl for SJW Marvel comics for years now. I understand their fear that it might now be coming to the MCU.

Me, I have faith in the Russo bros. I am hoping CM will learn some much needed humility in AEG. It will go a long way in making her a better character. She's part of the MCU now! But to be truthful at this time the thought of the words ” Avengers Assemble” coming out of her mouth makes me cringe. I will be there opening day.

 

[Sassafras]

Isn’t it amazing how easy it is to sit at a keyboard and easily dismiss 11 years worth of a ground breaking historic and super successful and loved connected cinematic universe based off 2D comic book cartoons from characters dressed in silly tights?

Lets do this.

Look at the end credits of every MCU movie we’re looking at how many names, thousands if not hundreds of thousands of artists from hundreds of departments from around the globe for these past 11 years, right and that’s not even counting the producers, writers, actors and directors!

So now sit in front of all of those hundreds of thousands of creators and say this exact quote to them:

“Building universes is the fun, EASY PART!” (but ultimately you failed miserably).

When you’re done with your one sentence opinion that took maybe 0.000001% of effort and brain cell to generate you can then feel great comfort knowing they will pat you on your head, give you a parting gift of a shiny new dunce cap and send you back on your way to your super exciting creative life next to your keyboard.

For me personally Avengers End Game is the god damn D-Day Landing at Normandy of cinema after 11 years worth of planning for it.

CM is the flight heading towards those beaches and i’m looking forward to her and her fellow Avengers getting their hands dirty one more time and for some their last time.

Up to BP or IW - kinda - I might've more or less agreed with all this. Somewhat.

1) For one thing, all those production people from all departments may or may not have varying degrees of passion about the whole thing. Because, it's production. Long hours of exhausting work to meet a deadline; and I know with printed stuff there's the concept of the "good enough" job.
https://www.engadget.com/2018/02/24/black-panther-vfx-models/

You'd think that in the year 2018, following the recent glut of comic book films, visual effects (VFX) studios would have perfected the art of creating realistic CG humans. Instead, we appear to have peaked at Avatar in 2010. What gives?

It's not just a matter of visual effects companies getting lazy. As movies have started to rely even more on complex VFX, the firms creating them are overworked, underpaid and, at times, literally fighting for survival, according to one person who has worked on several recent blockbusters (and who asked to remain anonymous due to the sensitivity of their work). That's led to a decline in overall quality, even while some studios continue to push new boundaries, like WETA, with its work in the recent Planet of the Apes trilogy.

2) Far as I know the MCU wasn't planned A-Z? Iron Man was released, then another, then another - I seem to remember Feige or the actors talking about Marvel checking what worked, what didn't.

So to me, we've been through the "upswing" period. Building. For anything that's a fun, creative, period, usually. Even the "less-good" which IMO was always true of the MCU - there's no movie that was across the board BAD like OMG kill me before I ever have to watch this again... (Like, I re-watched Thor 2 last night and there's some impressive design there. I never get the feeling that the director didn't care about what they were doing. Lots of good stuff.)

Well, anyway, you hit a success plateau and then what? Which is where I think Disney/Marvel is now. Especially since business is ruthless and a whiff of profit loss brings the sharks out. (Who on this board - if ur where u have a job and stuff - sez "u know what? I make too much money. I think I'll wreck my job/life, 'coz I don't like buying $600 IM figs and my $40,000 truck".)

Problem is tho, that's not ORGANIC growth like the "first MCU". That's forced growth to bring in new markets to keep and build profits. Otherwise - and I think it would have been far better - if more work had been put into CM, and she had been an EG cameo.

So IMO there's fallout from CM, no matter how much money it brings in. Unfortunately. Negativity around Feige, Clark Gregg (in fan community) that had never been there before. People wary of EG - like I won't watch it without being completely spoiled. It's true it's been an incredible period in films to live through, but I think the need for Disney to keep profits up is a strain showing up now in the films - CM being the first, targeting young girls I guess.

Not tryin' to rain on the parade - cyclical growth happens. Even Feige has said the day will come then the MCU has a real bomb. Staff changes; actors move on. Just was sure not long ago we'd get through Infinity Wars without a hitch - and now, not.

 

[xipotec]

Dunno, most people I know who saw it liked it enough....and more importantly know nothing of any “controversy” .

They wanted to see a blockbuster superhero film, and thats what they got.

That the lions share of ticket sales IMO.




Sent from the inside of a giant slug in outer space.....

 

[loki2371]

Best review yet...

Spoiler

1st couple minutes are pretty funny before review starts..

 

[jimcap]

Best review yet...

Spoiler

1st couple minutes are pretty funny before review starts..

Thanks for the laugh.

 

[Reefer Shark]

Honestly, it's only controversial to those that read that deeply into such garbage. Folks that feed on politically charged articles and comments are certainly going to be either offended or inspired by Bries comments.

I find her comments very lame as I do when any celebrity comments on such things, but it's really not hard to separate Brie Larsen the person from the role she plays in the movie. This isn't Brie Larsens movie, she just plays a role in it.

That said, I still havent seen it, just because I haven't been able to make the time lol. On the Alita/boycott thing though, wasn't the point of that whole thing just to bring up the numbers so that there would be a sequel made?