Captain Marvel - March 8, 2019

[SilverStar17]

Wait, you have a woman of color girlfriend too?

 

[customizerwannabe]

Well she and I have something in common,

Well, if that doesn't just explain it all.

 

[Harley_Quinn_]

Wait, you have a woman of color girlfriend too?

lol

Well, if that doesn't just explain it all.

What explains it all?

 

[ironwez20]

Think he means ur a woman in color? Idk. But this movie isn’t good enough to argue about tbh

 

[Johnny1378]

I think a lot of the problem that people have with actors and actresses who are “fighting for a cause,” is because many of these actors and actresses don’t personally abide by those principles they claim to espouse. So I don’t blame people for quietly taking a hard pass on willingly giving their hard earned money over to someone who lectures them on “principles and morality” while often times doing the exact opposite. That comes across as “do as I say, not as I do,” or “what’s good for me is not for thee.” I don’t really think that’s “anger” from those people, but more just a thanks, but no thanks. I’ll pass. Which they’re free to do because it’s their money. They can spend it how they choose. I personally find that to be more principled because you’re able to sacrifice something trivial for the sake of something you believe in, and personally find that to be more indicative of fighting for a cause because you’re actually doing it instead of just saying it. Actions always speak louder than words.

However, like I said earlier, boycotts are bad no matter what side it comes from. So I disagree with anyone who encourages other people to boycott something simply because you don’t like that product. Let people decide on their own how they want to spend their own money.

I would agree with all of that, including generally being against boycotts. Personally, I can usually separate an actor’s personal beliefs from their work in movies or television. Sometimes it’s a little tougher. Alec Baldwin for example, can get pretty belligerent. But even with him, I can still enjoy his movies.

Where I sometimes have a problem is when the movie or the show itself gets too preachy with the political stuff. I feel like most of every day life has some amount of politics in it, and I mostly enjoy movies because they’re a short distraction from all that. Even still, I wouldn’t go out of my way to boycott a movie like that, I just might not watch it, myself.

For the record, I didn’t find Captain Marvel to be overly political or preachy. I went to see it the other day and found it to be an enjoyable movie. Nowhere near the best MCU movie, but a fun time at the movies.

Still not happy with some of the statements Brie Larson made, but I found her to be a good Captain Marvel.

 

[e30ernest]

Erik Voss on the Tesseract timeline:



He brings a very good point on why it makes sense for the Tesseract to go the way it did in CM.

 

[Skywalker(OG)Kush]

I miss the good old days when nfl players just played hard nosed football and actors were smart enough to do their social activism during the awards ceremonies or during their off time, not while promoting a god damn movie (eg work time).. honestly I have no problems with people voicing their opinions, I have a problem when they do it on company time, and me the paying customer is subjected to it when it’s not what I’m paying for. If they want to be politicians or activists so be it, do it on their free time not while they are being paid to do something else, esp when it involves paying customers. Hell if they are really passionate they can even make a career change it just won’t be as lucrative as acting or playing in the nfl..just ask krapernick (who opted out of 15mil a year with 49ers). Anyone else would be fired for any type of social activism or pushing personal agendas during company time, only athletes and actors seem to be immune from this, as long as they aren’t racist or breaking laws reporting false crimes lol. I’ll admit when actors do it while promoting a movie it isn’t as bad as nfl players since you could in theory avoid all the promoting and thus not be subjected to their agendas but they still shouldn’t be doing it while promoting the movie, they are paid to promote the movie not their fricken personal agendas, its very unprofessional.

 

[bboy]

Has anyone seen this in 4d? I know it’s a gimmick but I’m into gimmicks and this might be a good movie for that. I’ve Never done a 4d theater. This could be perfect though, action , not overly long.

 

[The Buffinator]

I miss the good old days when nfl players just played hard nosed football and actors were smart enough to do their social activism during the awards ceremonies or during their off time, not while promoting a god damn movie (eg work time).. honestly I have no problems with people voicing their opinions, I have a problem when they do it on company time, and me the paying customer is subjected to it when it’s not what I’m paying for. If they want to be politicians or activists so be it, do it on their free time not while they are being paid to do something else, esp when it involves paying customers. Hell if they are really passionate they can even make a career change it just won’t be as lucrative as acting or playing in the nfl..just ask krapernick (who opted out of 15mil a year with 49ers). Anyone else would be fired for any type of social activism or pushing personal agendas during company time, only athletes and actors seem to be immune from this, as long as they aren’t racist or breaking laws reporting false crimes lol. I’ll admit when actors do it while promoting a movie it isn’t as bad as nfl players since you could in theory avoid all the promoting and thus not be subjected to their agendas but they still shouldn’t be doing it while promoting the movie, they are paid to promote the movie not their fricken personal agendas, its very unprofessional.

I'm not looking for a debate but IMO Colin Kaepernick isn't the best example of the point you're making, in that he didn't get on a soapbox in the middle of the field to voice his opinion on social injustices. His taking a knee during the anthem was a peaceful way to call attention to the issue, but none of the customers in the stands were cheated out of anything they paid to see. Frankly, a lot of them were likely still in line for either food & drink or a bathroom at the time, and the same probably applied to television viewers. Let's face it, no one watches the NFL to see who's singing the anthem. His action was a catalyst meant to spark debate, but he didn't force anyone to focus their cameras on him. And the debate should never have been about whether taking a knee was disrespectful (hell, when people bow or kneel before royalty it's a sign of the exact opposite), but as usual most of our politicians & mainstream media didn't get the message. I was never a big fan of his, but Kaepernick's action struck me as one of a true leader, and reminds me of when Sharon Carter quoted Peggy during her eulogy in CACW:

"Compromise when you can. Where you can't, don't. Even if everyone is telling you that something wrong is something right. Even if the whole world is telling you to move. It is your duty, to plant yourself like a tree, look them in they eye and say, " No... ... you move".

 

[e30ernest]

and me the paying customer is subjected to it when it’s not what I’m paying for.

Well to be fair, the movie itself doesn't push her "agenda" or "activism" that much. You'll really have to be on the lookout to notice these. Her "controversial" comments (I put that in quotes since other countries do not seem to care) was not done during the movie, the movie which you'll be paying for.

 

[Reefer Shark]

I miss the good old days when nfl players just played hard nosed football and actors were smart enough to do their social activism during the awards ceremonies or during their off time, not while promoting a god damn movie (eg work time).. honestly I have no problems with people voicing their opinions, I have a problem when they do it on company time, and me the paying customer is subjected to it when it’s not what I’m paying for. If they want to be politicians or activists so be it, do it on their free time not while they are being paid to do something else, esp when it involves paying customers. Hell if they are really passionate they can even make a career change it just won’t be as lucrative as acting or playing in the nfl..just ask krapernick (who opted out of 15mil a year with 49ers). Anyone else would be fired for any type of social activism or pushing personal agendas during company time, only athletes and actors seem to be immune from this, as long as they aren’t racist or breaking laws reporting false crimes lol. I’ll admit when actors do it while promoting a movie it isn’t as bad as nfl players since you could in theory avoid all the promoting and thus not be subjected to their agendas but they still shouldn’t be doing it while promoting the movie, they are paid to promote the movie not their fricken personal agendas, its very unprofessional.

Agreed! why is it ok for celebrities to do it during regular business but not for us common folk? because it's very inappropriate, and common folk have to adhere to basic business etiquette. Where for some reason these celebrities get a pass on such rules.

 

[Harley_Quinn_]

Think he means ur a woman in color? Idk. But this movie isn’t good enough to argue about tbh

That's what I assumed. It's problematic posts like this that kept me just a lurker.

 

[Wor-Gar]

Agreed! why is it ok for celebrities to do it during regular business but not for us common folk? because it's very inappropriate, and common folk have to adhere to basic business etiquette. Where for some reason these celebrities get a pass on such rules.

Because its not just the personal opinion of one actress though. Disney promotes inclusivity through diversity, female empowerment and normalizing LBG(+). It's not a "secret agenda" but a platform to gain market share, but it is also part of the new Disney culture which at one time was very conservative and has since become much more liberal. The Disney powers believe in what they are promoting -- I do not think they wish to isolate "angry white males" but they do see a much larger population in their future. They see China and India, and they are catering as much to them as to anything else.

 

[Reefer Shark]

Because its not just the personal opinion of one actress though. Disney promotes inclusivity through diversity, female empowerment and normalizing LBG(+). It's not a "secret agenda" but a platform to gain market share, but it is also part of the new Disney culture which at one time was very conservative and has since become much more liberal. The Disney powers believe in what they are promoting -- I do not think they wish to isolate "angry white males" but they do see a much larger population in their future. They see China and India, and they are catering as much to them as to anything else.

That makes sense, and I believe it. Either way, it's still a big turn off to me . And not just because the focus is on white males lately, it's been a distasteful thing to me long before that was the current flavor lol

 

[xipotec]

Agreed! why is it ok for celebrities to do it during regular business but not for us common folk? because it's very inappropriate, and common folk have to adhere to basic business etiquette. Where for some reason these celebrities get a pass on such rules.

Uh, news flash, celebrities get ALOT of passes on ALOT of things that we “common folk” do not. Thats the benefit of celebrity!!

Nothing new there......I agree it sucks, but the same can be said for the independently wealthy.



Sent from the inside of a giant slug in outer space.....

 

[jye4ever]

Agreed! why is it ok for celebrities to do it during regular business but not for us common folk? because it's very inappropriate, and common folk have to adhere to basic business etiquette. Where for some reason these celebrities get a pass on such rules.

Because its not just the personal opinion of one actress though. Disney promotes inclusivity through diversity, female empowerment and normalizing LBG(+). It's not a "secret agenda" but a platform to gain market share, but it is also part of the new Disney culture which at one time was very conservative and has since become much more liberal. The Disney powers believe in what they are promoting -- I do not think they wish to isolate "angry white males" but they do see a much larger population in their future. They see China and India, and they are catering as much to them as to anything else.

That makes sense, and I believe it. Either way, it's still a big turn off to me . And not just because the focus is on white males lately, it's been a distasteful thing to me long before that was the current flavor lol

Yup it’s all vetted thru the studio system legal department these are NOT rogue actors making rogue comments.

I’ve been saying since day one during the TLJ SJW uproar that Disney was in search of new markets and were publicly going more progressive with “Force is Female” plus not stopping Hamill or Evans from their increasing anti Trump speech, then Brie and now Gunn.

THEY TOOK GUNN BACK that tells you everything you need to know right there what direction they’re going. Gunn was called out by a hardline conservative and now Disney made their move.

The whole Iger/Murdochs business deal is off the charts interesting to say the least.

CM wasn’t at all affected but an argument can be made that TLJ box office was impacted by their ideological shift.

I don’t think it’s going away anytime soon Disney has decided to not care about risking alienating a very large group of customers.

 

[screamingmetal]

Well to be fair, the movie itself doesn't push her "agenda" or "activism" that much. You'll really have to be on the lookout to notice these. Her "controversial" comments (I put that in quotes since other countries do not seem to care) was not done during the movie, the movie which you'll be paying for.

She made her opinions known to everyone before people went into the theater on the highest platform, that made people aware while watching the movie and that awareness made people notice the agenda in the film clearly since there are many that have spoken about it.

Celebrities have to understand that their notoriety makes everything they say and do news, and what they say can offend portions of the audience (aka customers). So speaking publicly they should try and refrain from potential offense so they can entertain the whole audience without baggage, that's the cost of being a celebrity.

 

[jye4ever]

She made her opinions known to everyone before people went into the theater on the highest platform, that made people aware while watching the movie and that awareness made people notice the agenda in the film clearly since there are many that have spoken about it.

Celebrities have to understand that their notoriety makes everything they say and do news, and what they say can offend portions of the audience (aka customers). So speaking publicly they should try and refrain from potential offense so they can entertain the whole audience without baggage, that's the cost of being a celebrity.

Read Wor-Gar’s post it’s not just the celebrity it’s Disney approving their progressive public statements.

Disney is forging a new path.

What was that opening line again on the first Force Awakens trailer!

“There has been an awakening, have you felt it!”

They weren’t kidding lol

 

[SilverStar17]

I miss the good old days when nfl players just played hard nosed football and actors were smart enough to do their social activism during the awards ceremonies or during their off time, not while promoting a god damn movie (eg work time).. honestly I have no problems with people voicing their opinions, I have a problem when they do it on company time, and me the paying customer is subjected to it when it’s not what I’m paying for. If they want to be politicians or activists so be it, do it on their free time not while they are being paid to do something else, esp when it involves paying customers. Hell if they are really passionate they can even make a career change it just won’t be as lucrative as acting or playing in the nfl..just ask krapernick (who opted out of 15mil a year with 49ers). Anyone else would be fired for any type of social activism or pushing personal agendas during company time, only athletes and actors seem to be immune from this, as long as they aren’t racist or breaking laws reporting false crimes lol. I’ll admit when actors do it while promoting a movie it isn’t as bad as nfl players since you could in theory avoid all the promoting and thus not be subjected to their agendas but they still shouldn’t be doing it while promoting the movie, they are paid to promote the movie not their fricken personal agendas, its very unprofessional.

While I agree that I would never look to Hollywood for my moral guidance or informed political advice for either side, I do agree with others that they are free to use the platform how they feel to share their personal views. Why they insist people care about their political views though, or that simply being an actor or actress suddenly confers upon them the knowledge to know what’s best for your life, baffles me.

People always claim to just “want to have a conversation,” but I’ve noticed they always seem to preface it in most offensive way possible. That’s usually a good way to have the exact opposite effect, and drive people away from the campfire before a rational conversation can even start, as opposed to bringing them to it to have a chat.

 

[jal76]

That's what I assumed. It's problematic posts like this that kept me just a lurker.

I am sure he won't provide an actual answer because it would probably end up resulting in him being banned from the forum.