Captain Marvel - March 8, 2019

[Khev]

Cool that you daughter liked it.. Its always nice when kids can really enjoy a movie and its hero's

I concur, that's really awesome xipotec.

My own daughter (12 years old) didn't care much for CM and said it was merely okay when it was over. She even laughed at the big hero moment when she said "my name...is Carol," lol. I think she just thought it sounded goofy hearing a woman so convicted over announcing her boring mom-like first name. I guess it wasn't exactly her generation's "Nice shooting, what's your name son," "Murphy" moment.

Both my kids enjoy the ritual of going to see the newest MCU or SW flick but I think they live in a world where they are so inundated with heroes on a yearly basis (sometimes with the same heroes even appearing twice in *one* year) compared to us waiting three long years or more between sequels that these characters are having a harder time resonating with them the way our heroes did with us. As entertaining as these films are they're just so formulaic and so constant and repetitive.

I'm glad that characters like WW and CM exist but I've been noticing that my daughter has been gravitating toward the heroines in thrillers that she's finally old enough to see (The Shallows, Split, A Quiet Place, Bird Box, etc.) because the tension in those films is more hardcore and unpredictable which leads to those ladies really sticking with her much more significantly than the WW's, CM's, and Reys of the world.

 

[jal76]

Yep.

I saw a video where an anti-SJW dude was ranting that CM retconned Captain America out of being the inspiration for the Avengers. Except that the "Avenger Initiative" first mentioned at the end of Iron Man had no connection to Cap in the first place and now it *does.* The Red Skull gets the tesseract, Cap defeats him causing the tesseract to be retrieved by the US government, the US puts it on a space station and uses it to remotely power a fancy new jet engine which inadvertently gives superpowers to Carol "Avenger" Danvers who crosses paths with Nick Fury and causes him to create the Avengers team and tons of fancy new SHIELD tech. All the byproducts of Steve Rogers standing up to and thwarting the Red Skull. :

And as of now he's still the heart of the team. When Batroc challenged Cap to see if he was more than just a vibranium shield Steve saw it as an opportunity to see if his own mettle and fighting abilities were still enough to get the job done. They were. When Jude Law gave Carol the same opportunity in the desert at the end of CM she refused to give up her crutch.

I think Cap refused to give up his crutch too...when he fought Batroc he still had the Super Soldier Serum pumping through his veins...he didn't revert back to being skinny Steve who can do this all day...is that any different than Carol using her powers...?

 

[Khev]

I think Cap refused to give up his crutch too...when he fought Batroc he still had the Super Soldier Serum pumping through his veins...he didn't revert back to being skinny Steve who can do this all day...is that any different than Carol using her powers...?

I would say yes since the MCU super-soldier serum only amplifies what was already there to begin with. And Carol had Jude Law's "Kree blood" running through her veins due to an early transfusion so she had her own super-soldier serum prior to her tesseract powers anyway. But yeah Carol you know that your added strength and training won't ever make you Cap so you better milk that tesseract for all it's worth, lol.

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

Skinny Steve Roger jumped on a grenade. He's not afraid to get his ass kicked.

 

[jye4ever]

If anything Yon-Rogg had already kicked her butt in the beginning during their sparring when her cosmic cube powers were nullified.

Just wait until the time travel scene in End Game when Cap tricks her into wearing his least favorite costume.

 

[Khev]

Skinny Steve Roger jumped on a grenade. He's not afraid to get his ass kicked.

Yep! Day One hero with or without the serum. Crashing Skull's flying wing didn't require a shield or enhanced strength either, only resolve.

EDIT: Lol @ jye



EDIT #2: "The cat steals the meme!"

lol

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

I like that suit, it actually shows Evans' real physique. The mask is what ruins it.

 

[jye4ever]

Don’t shoot the messenger I didn’t create it.



Something in that photo tells me that Zachary Levy and WB/DC will come out against it but I can’t quite place my finger on what that is, is it the color of his costume maybe.

 

[e30ernest]

Or Wido gets killed.. He blames the Avengers. He goes World Breaker Hulk on everyone.. Is about to destroy the MCU and then Liv Tylor shows up to calm him down and live happily ever after..

Hey a man can dream cant he.

I'd be very surprised (in a good way I guess) if they did that. Widow getting killed would pretty much be a fridging moment to rouse a male hero, something today's films seem to be trying to distance from. But if they do it, that'll take guts lol....

I would say yes since the MCU super-soldier serum only amplifies what was already there to begin with. And Carol had Jude Law's "Kree blood" running through her veins due to an early transfusion so she had her own super-soldier serum prior to her tesseract powers anyway. But yeah Carol you know that your added strength and training won't ever make you Cap so you better milk that tesseract for all it's worth, lol.

I like that she didn't go Jude's way. She knew she'd lose so instead of trying to try to prove herself, she dispatched him the most efficient way possible.

 

[jye4ever]

I'd be very surprised (in a good way I guess) if they did that. Widow getting killed would pretty much be a fridging moment to rouse a male hero, something today's films seem to be trying to distance from. But if they do it, that'll take guts lol....



I like that she didn't go Jude's way. She knew she'd lose so instead of trying to try to prove herself, she dispatched him the most efficient way possible.

Well to be fair if i’m going to hold her decision against her then I guess I will need to hold Indy accountable as well since he used a gun against a guy with a sword instead of going mano a mano against him.

Indy had about it had it so he went with the gun and CM had about had it with Yon-Rogg so she went with the gun.

I can also think of many instances where Arnold Schwarzenegger shot his knife wielding or gun wielding opponents with a BAZOOKA!

But still major props for Cap for putting down his shield after Batroc’s protest lol

That being said Batroc still got up and threw a grenade at Cap.

 

[e30ernest]

Well to be fair if i’m going to hold her decision against her then I guess I will need to hold Indy accountable as well since he used a gun against a guy with a sword instead of going mano a mano against him.

Indy had about it had it so he went with the gun and CM had about had it with Yon-Rogg so she went with the gun.

I can also think of many instances where Arnold Schwarzenegger shot his knife wielding or gun wielding opponents with a BAZOOKA!

But still major props for Cap for putting down his shield after Batroc’s protest lol

That being said Batroc still got up and threw a grenade at Cap.

Yeah that's why I like what CM did. It really reminded me of Indy.

 

[jye4ever]

Khev be like....

why jye why

 

[Khev]

I'm fine with CM pulling an Indiana Jones. We know from Brie Larson's comments that that's who she wanted her character to be like anyway. I'm just glad that when faced with the same test that Cap took the cooler and more badass option, lol.

Of course the way Indy himself handled the Cairo swordsman will always be one of the most awesome, hilarious and iconic showdowns in cinema history which pretty much no one will ever touch but that's neither here nor there.

With regard to CM there's a big difference between pulling an Indy and being Indy. Sorry Carol, lol.

 

[Khev]

Khev be like....

why jye why

Nitpicks aside I don't really have a problem with Brie's Carol Danvers. The Russos can give her a really cool arc by having Thanos use the tesseract stone to strip her of her amplified powers forcing her to follow through on Yon-Rogg's challenge to do something super heroic without her amplified powers.

I'm just glad that I can now rest assured that even if she does deliver the final blow to Thanos that Cap will still get credit for it since she has her powers because of him anyway.

 

[jal76]

I'd be very surprised (in a good way I guess) if they did that. Widow getting killed would pretty much be a fridging moment to rouse a male hero, something today's films seem to be trying to distance from. But if they do it, that'll take guts lol....



I like that she didn't go Jude's way. She knew she'd lose so instead of trying to try to prove herself, she dispatched him the most efficient way possible.

I don't think she knew she would lose in a fist fight...I think she knew that losing would be allowing her opponent to goad her into a fight on his terms. Why should she let her enemy decide what "winning" looks like. She would be an idiot. The point was that she has nothing to prove to him because she could care less about the bad Guy's opinion of her. That is true toughness.

 

[The Buffinator]

Yep.

When Batroc challenged Cap to see if he was more than just a vibranium shield Steve saw it as an opportunity to see if his own mettle and fighting abilities were still enough to get the job done. They were. When Jude Law gave Carol the same opportunity in the desert at the end of CM she refused to give up her crutch.

By then Carol knew that the line they'd been feeding her for 6 years (that she was nothing without what she was given by the Kree) was total BS and that her power was there before they kidnapped her. As she said, she wasn't going to fight with one hand tied behind her back any longer, and she didn't need to prove anything to him.

I think Cap refused to give up his crutch too...when he fought Batroc he still had the Super Soldier Serum pumping through his veins...he didn't revert back to being skinny Steve who can do this all day...is that any different than Carol using her powers...?

I would say yes since the MCU super-soldier serum only amplifies what was already there to begin with. And Carol had Jude Law's "Kree blood" running through her veins due to an early transfusion so she had her own super-soldier serum prior to her tesseract powers anyway. But yeah Carol you know that your added strength and training won't ever make you Cap so you better milk that tesseract for all it's worth, lol.

Carol gained her powers from the explosion before the Kree blood transfusion. The transfusion may have helped stabilize her after the accident, but if anything it was done so she'd bleed blue and thereby support the ruse that she was actually Kree.

I'd be very surprised (in a good way I guess) if they did that. Widow getting killed would pretty much be a fridging moment to rouse a male hero, something today's films seem to be trying to distance from. But if they do it, that'll take guts lol....

I like that she didn't go Jude's way. She knew she'd lose so instead of trying to try to prove herself, she dispatched him the most efficient way possible.

Precisely.

 

[jye4ever]

I'm fine with CM pulling an Indiana Jones. We know from Brie Larson's comments that that's who she wanted her character to be like anyway. I'm just glad that when faced with the same test that Cap took the cooler and more badass option, lol.

Of course the way Indy himself handled the Cairo swordsman will always be one of the most awesome, hilarious and iconic showdowns in cinema history which pretty much no one will ever touch but that's neither here nor there.

With regard to CM there's a big difference between pulling an Indy and being Indy. Sorry Carol, lol.

Nitpicks aside I don't really have a problem with Brie's Carol Danvers. The Russos can give her a really cool arc by having Thanos use the tesseract stone to strip her of her amplified powers forcing her to follow through on Yon-Rogg's challenge to do something super heroic without her amplified powers.

I'm just glad that I can now rest assured that even if she does deliver the final blow to Thanos that Cap will still get credit for it since she has her powers because of him anyway.

I would also acknowledge that while Indy and CM were under different circumstances and each had their own unique motivations I would say that their final action of instantly eliminating the threat makes it a fair apples to apples comparison because both decided to show their weapon superiority.

It is feasible that had she taken the Cap route we would be here criticizing her for being a copy cat lol

 

[The Buffinator]

I would also acknowledge that while Indy and CM were under different circumstances and each had their own unique motivations I would say that their final action of instantly eliminating the threat makes it a fair apples to apples comparison because both decided to show their weapon superiority.

I do think that their circumstances might tip more favorably towards putting Indy in a better light BUT it’s feasible that had she taken the Cap route we would be here criticizing her for being a copy cat lol

Well, considering she took out all those Kree bombs and one of their warships single-handedly, you could argue that she was much more merciful than Indy. Indy could have just shot the guy in the leg and moved on, but instead he killed him...just for displaying a bit of swordsmanship!

 

[jye4ever]

But ultimately like Khev said.

Indy’s scene came 38 years ago and is now considered one of the most iconic moments in cinematic history were as CM taking out Yon-Rogg scene will just be a small blip in the MCU radar ultimately just being a stepping stone to serve End Game and more importantly make Disney a billion dollars off a filler movie. Ok fine it might be serving Phase 4 as well.

I enjoyed CM but i’m just keeping it real lol

 

[JAWS]

Well to be fair if i’m going to hold her decision against her then I guess I will need to hold Indy accountable as well since he used a gun against a guy with a sword instead of going mano a mano against him.

Indy had about it had it so he went with the gun and CM had about had it with Yon-Rogg so she went with the gun.

The CM / Indy moment would have been cool if I didn’t see it coming a mile away. Thought it was Telegraphed by Yon Rogg over stressing for her to not use her powers.