Captain Marvel - March 8, 2019

[Reefer Shark]

Man this thread has taken a wierd turn with all this “we won” sentiment

Honestly, I wouldnt even have been aware of Brie’s comments or nerd boycotts if I didnt see folks bringing it up in here. It’s really pretty sad that the focus is more on that then the actual movie itself. I’m finally going to see it on Friday, and looking forward to it regardless of all this wierdness!

 

[e30ernest]

Man this thread has taken a wierd turn with all this “we won” sentiment

Honestly, I wouldnt even have been aware of Brie’s comments or nerd boycotts if I didnt see folks bringing it up in here. It’s really pretty sad that the focus is more on that then the actual movie itself. I’m finally going to see it on Friday, and looking forward to it regardless of all this wierdness!

Yeah the "we won" sentiment is odd. But hey, if it makes them feel good in the morning then so be it.

 

[Reefer Shark]

Yeah the "we won" sentiment is odd. But hey, if it makes them feel good in the morning then so be it.

Right? Power to them, whatever floats anyones boat I guess!

 

[Zurdo95D]

I really like that close up shot of her face cringing as she absorbed the core's energy.

 

[Sassafras]

Seems whoever wins, everyone else loses with all the gloating.

Don't get me wrong... if you look at my history in this thread, you'll see I was one of the many rooting for the success of this film. It succeeded and I am happy. There is no need to gloat IMO because in the end, the fans have won anyway.

IMO when - IMO - a movie is lazily written etc. but makes a lot of money at the box office, it's never a "win". IMO this is also true of Black Panther with its shoddy CGI. Lots of articles about the "moribund" box office, theater chains losing money, etc.

Give me a REASON to get off my couch and leave the fridge stashed w. my favorite snacks. Whatever folks think of TLJ, the effort put into some of the visuals IMO were definitely worth a theater view. Stuff I personally can't get the effect of at home. Give me a jaw-dropping fight scene that I've just GOTTA see on the big screen. Lines and scenes I wanna see again in theater.

Like right now every time I see a shot of the Benatar floating in space in the EG trailer, I'm awed.



Like right now, I wanna see Cap tell BW he doesn't know what he'll do if this doesn't work. Nebula and Tony in space. Just that trailer shot of Thanos walking in the field. True, stuff in trailers may not show up in film, but even CM's trailers were boring.

Not-well-made movies that make money IMO just encourage studios to put out stuff on the cheap w. poor editing/scripts/CGI. If folks liked CM, great. No doubt Feige will wave "the money it made" like a flag. IMO for me tho it's kind've a stain where now I am suspicious of anything Marvel does in the future, and less inclined to charge out the door for the next MCU film after EG.

 

[SilverStar17]

Marvel set it up so it would do well, they tied the movie in with Avengers End Game making people think they had to see it plus by releasing it so close to End Game it forced people to see it in the theaters since it wouldn't be released for rental or streaming before End Game came out... If this would of been separated from End Game with a bigger gap between releases I doubt it would of done so well... Critics didn't exactly give it glowing reviews and it seems 50/50 if people actually like the movie most just said it was ok... not exactly raving reviews...

That aside, your comment "White Male Nerds" is both racist and sexist....

As I mentioned, it was a nice strategy to create some extraneous drama going into the film that would pit two sides against each other: if the film succeeds, we can claim victory over those sexist white males. If the film bombs, we can blame those sexist white males because it just proves they’re sexist.

This is just further evidence that organized boycotts are foolish and clottish, no matter what side they come from. People generally purchase a product based on how they feel that product enriches their lives, they don’t care about the political views of the manufacturer and the manufacturer shouldn’t care about the political views of the consumer. As was mentioned earlier by another poster in the thread, the only color that should matter is green. If you don’t want to buy a product because you personally disagree with the political views of the manufacturer, that’s certainly your prerogative because it’s your money and your time and you’re free to spend it on what you want and how you want, but don’t tell others how they should or shouldn’t spend theirs based on your views. Let them make that decision on their own.

 

[jal76]

IMO when - IMO - a movie is lazily written etc. but makes a lot of money at the box office, it's never a "win". IMO this is also true of Black Panther with its shoddy CGI. Lots of articles about the "moribund" box office, theater chains losing money, etc.

Give me a REASON to get off my couch and leave the fridge stashed w. my favorite snacks. Whatever folks think of TLJ, the effort put into some of the visuals IMO were definitely worth a theater view. Stuff I personally can't get the effect of at home. Give me a jaw-dropping fight scene that I've just GOTTA see on the big screen. Lines and scenes I wanna see again in theater.

Like right now every time I see a shot of the Benatar floating in space in the EG trailer, I'm awed.

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Like right now, I wanna see Cap tell BW he doesn't know what he'll do if this doesn't work. Nebula and Tony in space. Just that trailer shot of Thanos walking in the field. True, stuff in trailers may not show up in film, but even CM's trailers were boring.

Not-well-made movies that make money IMO just encourage studios to put out stuff on the cheap w. poor editing/scripts/CGI. If folks liked CM, great. No doubt Feige will wave "the money it made" like a flag. IMO for me tho it's kind've a stain where now I am suspicious of anything Marvel does in the future, and less inclined to charge out the door for the next MCU film after EG.

??? So you are saying that theaters lose money by screening movies that are making a lot of money. The more people see a movie, the more people pay for tickets, the more tickets sold...the more money the theater makes...since theaters don't give refunds because someone decided they didn't like the CGI I have no idea how you think theaters lose money by showing movies that make a lot of money...

 

[Malgus]

Marvel set it up so it would do well, they tied the movie in with Avengers End Game making people think they had to see it plus by releasing it so close to End Game it forced people to see it in the theaters since it wouldn't be released for rental or streaming before End Game came out... If this would of been separated from End Game with a bigger gap between releases I doubt it would of done so well... Critics didn't exactly give it glowing reviews and it seems 50/50 if people actually like the movie most just said it was ok... not exactly raving reviews...

That aside, your comment "White Male Nerds" is both racist and sexist....

Actually I was referring to the white male nerds who lied by claiming Briellion Larson said she didn't want white males to see the movie. The entire boycott was by white males claiming Brie didn't want them to see the movie. They are the ones attacking the movie not men or other races.

 

[jimcap]

I'm just waiting for "The right wing. white male, nerds" trifecta to drop. I got a bet with my girl.

 

[ironwez20]

Actually I was referring to the white male nerds who lied by claiming Briellion Larson said she didn't want white males to see the movie. The entire boycott was by white males claiming Brie didn't want them to see the movie. They are the ones attacking the movie not men or other races.

What’s with you and white make nerds? Are u a chick from tumblr or something?

 

[Sassafras]

??? So you are saying that theaters lose money by screening movies that are making a lot of money. The more people see a movie, the more people pay for tickets, the more tickets sold...the more money the theater makes...since theaters don't give refunds because someone decided they didn't like the CGI I have no idea how you think theaters lose money by showing movies that make a lot of money...

If u consider making a lot of money a win, then consider how much CM might have LOST for a whole bunch of reasons. Consider the investment of all those CM environmentally incorrect toys that WON'T get purchased. Consider how much theater owners WON'T get with the next CM (if there is one), 'coz if you didn't like CM all that much, and there's no "connection" movie following. Consider how much pirating went on etc vs. folks who would want to purchase a BR.

What I'm saying is it's never a win over the long term to reduce the quality of whatever you are selling, 'coz people NOTICE.

ESPECIALLY since any number of folks have posted around the 'net that "if MCU character or actor X is gone, I'm done". So you get one chance to really hook folks. Folks more or less universally took to Goose and Talos. Brie's CM, not so much. But I don't blame her as much as Feige for (mis)casting her, the directors, and writers. Short term gain=long term pain.

U really think that Disney didn't notice what worked with CM and what didn't? They are probably heaving money at Ben Mendelson right now. U really think Disney is gonna worry about CM when they have the beloved X-men back? Disney skated with CM - not like they didn't know that, which is why the film was placed where it was. Marvel is known for "testing" what works, what doesn't - they don't set their releases in stone. Why do u think there isn't another CM already listed on the upcoming movie slate? Disney was TESTING. U can bet if fans were screaming for her next film they'd fast-track it.

So sure, folks can call the money that rolled in a "win". For the Disney/Marvel machine, sure. As a character introduction who was supposed to "lead the MCU" and "be the most powerful" etc. - for the FANS - not so much.

 

[jal76]

If u consider making a lot of money a win, then consider how much CM might have LOST for a whole bunch of reasons. Consider the investment of all those CM environmentally incorrect toys that WON'T get purchased. Consider how much theater owners WON'T get with the next CM (if there is one), 'coz if you didn't like CM all that much, and there's no "connection" movie following. Consider how much pirating went on etc vs. folks who would want to purchase a BR.

What I'm saying is it's never a win over the long term to reduce the quality of whatever you are selling, 'coz people NOTICE.

ESPECIALLY since any number of folks have posted around the 'net that "if MCU character or actor X is gone, I'm done". So you get one chance to really hook folks. Folks more or less universally took to Goose and Talos. Brie's CM, not so much. But I don't blame her as much as Feige for (mis)casting her, the directors, and writers. Short term gain=long term pain.

U really think that Disney didn't notice what worked with CM and what didn't? They are probably heaving money at Ben Mendelson right now. U really think Disney is gonna worry about CM when they have the beloved X-men back? Disney skated with CM - not like they didn't know that, which is why the film was placed where it was. Marvel is known for "testing" what works, what doesn't - they don't set their releases in stone. Why do u think there isn't another CM already listed on the upcoming movie slate? Disney was TESTING. U can bet if fans were screaming for her next film they'd fast-track it.

So sure, folks can call the money that rolled in a "win". For the Disney/Marvel machine, sure. As a character introduction who was supposed to "lead the MCU" and "be the most powerful" etc. - for the FANS - not so much.

Well let's see here...I could go through how wrong all of this is point by point especially you making an assumption that Disney / Marvel failed to make a good movie because YOU did not like it. I liked it...my wife liked it...my brother liked it...a bunch of people in my office liked it...so that makes you objectively incorrect just on the basis of that spattering of people who thought it was good. The reality, however, is that the feature length motion picture has been around for 110 years...in that time there have been approximately 500,000 films produced and of that number only 38...38 films have grossed ONE BILLION dollars or more...38 out of 500,000. Whichever way you slice or dice it my friend that counts as a SUCCESS to anyone, any time, any where. And all the Captain Marvel 2 and Blu Rays sales nonsense...you don't need to worry about selling Blu Ray discs when you put a billion in the bank on a single release in a matter of...weeks! What if the people who didn't like Captain Marvel don't come back for part 2...if I put everything on the field and come in first place at the Boston Marathon I'm not losing sleep that I may have pushed myself too hard to start training for next year's marathon and may not come in first again next year...like most sane people I'm too busy enjoying he fact that I just came in first at this year's race.

 

[Choryujin]

Love how people throw around the billion in the bank statement. I could care less about how the film did as I have no investment in it's success, I'm just laying out the reality of how the math works in the theatre and motion picture industry. So $1 Billion worldwide in sales. Disney spent an estimated $300 million on the film and the advertising together (simply google-fu shows this number). Estimates were $750 million to just break even. Half that billion goes to the theatres...maybe as low as 40% since it's Disney. That's just domestic. Disney makes even less in foreign markets as they have to partner with foreign distributors that want their cut. Realistically, Disney pocketed maybe $150-200 million. Still a nice chunk of change, but not the massive $1 Billion that everyone keeps throwing around as their cash in the bank. Film still sold a lot, but Disney isn't rolling in the billions on this film.

 

[loki2371]

Love how people throw around the billion in the bank statement. I could care less about how the film did as I have no investment in it's success, I'm just laying out the reality of how the math works in the theatre and motion picture industry. So $1 Billion worldwide in sales. Disney spent an estimated $300 million on the film and the advertising together (simply google-fu shows this number). Estimates were $750 million to just break even. Half that billion goes to the theatres...maybe as low as 40% since it's Disney. That's just domestic. Disney makes even less in foreign markets as they have to partner with foreign distributors that want their cut. Realistically, Disney pocketed maybe $150-200 million. Still a nice chunk of change, but not the massive $1 Billion that everyone keeps throwing around as their cash in the bank. Film still sold a lot, but Disney isn't rolling in the billions on this film.

Great explanation...

I gave up long ago trying to make people understand. People scream how much money a movie made, so therefore it was a success. They can't seem to fathom or understand that a movie, like BvS with it's $872 mil was not a success. They forget that not only was there the film budget to make the movie, but then there's a marketing budget, what they pay the distributors, the theater owners who get a rather substantial % of the BO take, even actors and directors who also get back end deals and get an additional % of the total BO gross. That is another extra cost in addition to what their negotiated salary was and was not part of the cost to make the movie to begin with.

Most of these movies need BO totals to bring in 3x their estimated cost/budget of making the film before actually making a decent profit.

 

[jal76]

Love how people throw around the billion in the bank statement. I could care less about how the film did as I have no investment in it's success, I'm just laying out the reality of how the math works in the theatre and motion picture industry. So $1 Billion worldwide in sales. Disney spent an estimated $300 million on the film and the advertising together (simply google-fu shows this number). Estimates were $750 million to just break even. Half that billion goes to the theatres...maybe as low as 40% since it's Disney. That's just domestic. Disney makes even less in foreign markets as they have to partner with foreign distributors that want their cut. Realistically, Disney pocketed maybe $150-200 million. Still a nice chunk of change, but not the massive $1 Billion that everyone keeps throwing around as their cash in the bank. Film still sold a lot, but Disney isn't rolling in the billions on this film.

Well that billion dollars means a whole lot to Disney's shareholders. What Disney pockets is irrelevant to everyone outside of their corporate headquarters. The total gross of their films is what goes out on the earning calls and that's all that really matters. Their business is not trying to squeeze 3 more million dollars out of any single release but to ensure that they keep releasing hits that will raise the over-all value of their stock price. Disney knew what they were getting in to and what their personal profit would be for the film. You don't think that they expected the movie that they released in March to gross 3 billion do you...if you think that they do not consider this release to be a total success for themselves...probably exceeding their own expectations...I hate to tell you that you are mistaken.

 

[jimcap]

If we are going back 110 years. Ranking movies by B.O doesn't really cut it. Ticket prices have changed a lot in that time. Total tickets sold is the only fair way to compare. I could only find the domestic numbers. Number one was Gone with the Wind with 202.1mil tickets sold. CM comes in at # 276 with 39.4 Mil. I’m sure with the foreign numbers that the ranking would go up, but so will the other films. Right now it needs to get to 54.4mil to crack the domestic top 100.

 

[jal76]

If we are going back 110 years. Ranking movies by B.O doesn't really cut it. Ticket prices have changed a lot in that time. Total tickets sold is the only fair way to compare. I could only find the domestic numbers. Number one was Gone with the Wind with 202.1mil tickets sold. CM comes in at # 276 with 39.4 Mil. I’m sure with the foreign numbers that the ranking would go up, but so will the other films. Right now it needs to get to 54.4mil to crack the domestic top 100.

The Walt Disney Company cannot please its shareholders with ticket receipts at 1937 rates...I think thats the part that you are missing...Disney did not set out to win the Nerd Olympics...they are a business...they want to make a lot of money...they don't pay Bob Iger in clapping emojis...he could not care less about what is said on this site...they care about each release making as much money as possible...this one made over a BILLION dollars...they don't care about Box Office Mojo just their bottom line which looks pretty sweet when they release a movie in March that earns over a billion dollars.

 

[Choryujin]

If we are going back 110 years. Ranking movies by B.O doesn't really cut it. Ticket prices have changed a lot in that time. Total tickets sold is the only fair way to compare. I could only find the domestic numbers. Number one was Gone with the Wind with 202.1mil tickets sold. CM comes in at # 276 with 39.4 Mil. I’m sure with the foreign numbers that the ranking would go up, but so will the other films. Right now it needs to get to 54.4mil to crack the domestic top 100.

Plus you can't really factor international tickets into the equation as I doubt films from a bulk of the 20th Century had a large market outside the US. China only recently became a huge open market that Gone With The Wind wouldn't have.

 

[Ehollywood]

CM Haters were expecting the movie to flop so that they can scream about how much money it didn't make, but that didn't happen. Now they're saying that a Billion dollars doesn't equal quality. LOL

 

[jimcap]

The Walt Disney Company cannot please its shareholders with ticket receipts at 1937 rates...I think thats the part that you are missing...Disney did not set out to win the Nerd Olympics...they are a business...they want to make a lot of money...they don't pay Bob Iger in clapping emojis...he could not care less about what is said on this site...they care about each release making as much money as possible...this one made over a BILLION dollars...they don't care about Box Office Mojo just their bottom line which looks pretty sweet when they release a movie in March that earns over a billion dollars.

I wasn't knocking Disney at all, in fact, I'm a shareholder myself and love making money. But when you started comparing this film with the whole history of cinema. that was a little over the top. I was just trying to give you some perspective. BTW Gone with the Wind was released in 1939, not 1937. and you have to admit 202.1 mil is a lot of ***** in seats.

CM Haters were expecting the movie to flop so that they can scream about how much money it didn't make, but that didn't happen. Now they're saying that a Billion dollars doesn't equal quality. LOL

Wasn't hating. Kudos to Marvel and Disney for pulling off another 1 billion dollar win. looking forward to AEG possibly breaking 3B.