Captain Marvel - March 8, 2019

[jal76]

I wasn't Disney knocking at all, in fact, I'm a shareholder myself and love making money. But when you started comparing this film with the whole history of cinema. that was a little over the top. I was just trying to give you some perspective. BTW Gone with the Wind was released in 1939, not 1937. and you have to admit 202.1 mil is a lot of ***** in seats.



Wasn't hating. Kudos to Marvel and Disney for pulling off another 1 billion dollar win. looking forward to AEG possibly breaking 3B.

I did not mention Gone with the Wind or its release date in my post were you confusing me with someone else. I think you have to place my comment in the appropriate context...I was not really trying to establish that CM is an historic milestone...my point was really to make it clear that it is really quite absurd for the poster that I was responding to...or anyone else for that matter to try to suggest that any movie studio coud be disappointed by a movie like this earning over a billion dollars. Simple as that really.

 

[jimcap]

I did not mention Gone with the Wind or its release date in my post were you confusing me with someone else. I think you have to place my comment in the appropriate context...I was not really trying to establish that CM is an historic milestone...my point was really to make it clear that it is really quite absurd for the poster that I was responding to...or anyone else for that matter to try to suggest that any movie studio coud be disappointed by a movie like this earning over a billion dollars. Simple as that really.

The Walt Disney Company cannot please its shareholders with ticket receipts at 1937 rates...

I thought you were referring to GWTW receipts. If you weren't my apologies. But it did seem like you were holding up CM as some sort of a cinematic icon. I think in the future we will see a lot more films breaking the 1B mark. I agree that CM is another big success for Marvel. That being said it doesn't change my opinion of the film. But like you said Papa Disney doesn't care. He's too busy counting his money, and that's just fine.

 

[jal76]

I thought you were referring to GWTW receipts. If you weren't my apologies. But it did seem like you were holding up CM as some sort of a cinematic icon. I think in the future we will see a lot more films breaking the 1B mark. I agree that CM is another big success for Marvel. That being said it doesn't change my opinion of the film. But like you said Papa Disney doesn't care. He's too busy counting his money, and that's just fine.

No apologies necessary I was just picking a random old timey sounding date. Truth be told I thought CM was a decent movie. Did not love it...definitely did not hate it. Not rushing out to see it again. It was far from being an "important" film, but I had a good time. It was a fun appetizer for AEG. My only issue is that some folks out there seemed so determined to see the movie fail that when it did not they started moving goal posts and redefining the rules of success to suit their desired narrative. Even if I hated the movie and everything that it stood for, that kind of foolishness which is really intellectual dishonesty deserves to be railed against.

 

[Malgus]

Great explanation...

I gave up long ago trying to make people understand. People scream how much money a movie made, so therefore it was a success. They can't seem to fathom or understand that a movie, like BvS with it's $872 mil was not a success. They forget that not only was there the film budget to make the movie, but then there's a marketing budget, what they pay the distributors, the theater owners who get a rather substantial % of the BO take, even actors and directors who also get back end deals and get an additional % of the total BO gross. That is another extra cost in addition to what their negotiated salary was and was not part of the cost to make the movie to begin with.

Most of these movies need BO totals to bring in 3x their estimated cost/budget of making the film before actually making a decent profit.

I predicted earlier in this thread that a certain type of peop0le will claim this movie is not a success despite all the evidence pointing to it being a success. Now I expect that lie to be repeated over and over no matter how many times its disproven. Your kind are so predictable.

 

[jimcap]

No apologies necessary I was just picking a random old timey sounding date. Truth be told I thought CM was a decent movie. Did not love it...definitely did not hate it. Not rushing out to see it again. It was far from being an "important" film, but I had a good time. It was a fun appetizer for AEG. My only issue is that some folks out there seemed so determined to see the movie fail that when it did not they started moving goal posts and redefining the rules of success to suit their desired narrative. Even if I hated the movie and everything that it stood for, that kind of foolishness which is really intellectual dishonesty deserves to be railed against.

Agree. The crazy level certainly went to 11.. but I did find it entertaining at times. Like you I'm stoked for AEG. I look forward to reading what you thought of it.

 

[loki2371]

I predicted earlier in this thread that a certain type of peop0le will claim this movie is not a success despite all the evidence pointing to it being a success. Now I expect that lie to be repeated over and over no matter how many times its disproven. Your kind are so predictable.

Nice of you to comment. But, nice try. I was never part of a boycott. I never voiced hate towards this movie. And I never once posted anything relating to my hopes it would fail. As others have said, it was basically set up as to be impossible to fail. Infinity War literally ended with Captain Mavel's insignia on Fury's pager. You don't think that made the general audience feel it was a necessary addition to watch before End Game? A lead into what will happen? When I saw Infinity War the 2nd time with my son, the couple next to us voiced out loud to each other that they had NO idea what the end scene meant. I told them and explained it to them. Their response was "Thanks, we can't wait to see Captain Mavel too now". Job well done Disney.. Another mediocre, virtually unknown character will be a guaranteed success.

You just like to attack anyone who isn't part of your cheer leading squad for Captain Mavel. I always planned on seeing this, and was somewhat excited for it, just not an opening night must see as it was already revealed it pretty much has nothing to do with End Game. I only just saw it this past Tuesday, and gave my quick and brief synopsis of it. In which I even said I enjoyed it and liked it more than Black Panther, the 2nd coming of the Super Hero genre..

Maybe you should re read what I said about Box Office totals. Read it out loud, read it to a friend, read it to your cat, and maybe just read it some more. It was a general over view of how people treat Box Office totals. These numbers are very misleading as most people are very uneducated into how this works. My post was only in relation towards ANY Movie that seems to do financially well and has people cheering in the streets that it was successful. I even used BvS as an example. I never once cited your beloved Captain Mavel.

Apparently you have some deep seated issues in which anyone who says anything that does not agree with your perceptions is personally attacking you. And you are the one who is predictable that you will comment when someone isn't cheering with you about some pointless victory.

 

[ironwez20]

They are the ones who started the whole boycott if you don't remember. What do you expect? White male nerds started a boycott and you want me to ignore the race of them while discussing the facts of the boycott?

It’s like your.... idk.... looking for a fight. Like damn chill.

 

[kiwiatlarge]

Jesus, it's an MCU movie. The MCU machine is too big now for a movie to bomb. The fact that none of them have been real turds helps.

 

[Sassafras]

CM Haters were expecting the movie to flop so that they can scream about how much money it didn't make, but that didn't happen. Now they're saying that a Billion dollars doesn't equal quality. LOL

I am. 'Coz "everyone" knows that a "good" well-made film doesn't particularly equal huge box office. There's movies like Finding Neverland that I think are perfection - or I, Tonya - that will NEVER have huge box office. And a lot of quality films aren't anything you'd roll the whole family out to. Others that don't especially translate well to the overseas box office - even read some comment where a writer points out if your screenplay can't be easily translated now, it's not gonna sell https://www.amazon.com/Art-Screenwriting-Writing-Successful-Screenplay/dp/1560253223

The other part of that is when folks cheer about the "money CM made" IMO it's disingenuous to completely ignore the huge EG influence. On paper sure, "CM made a billion dollars". IMO it's more correct to say "interest in End Game helped CM to a massive opening weekend box office" etc. Disney simply placed the film where a profit would be more or less guaranteed. And the overseas market is CM's biggest profit boost.

It's not that CM doesn't have anything redeeming about it IMO. But it's not a movie - unlike most of the MCU films - that I think I need a copy of on the shelf, or even needs to exist, as is. Because as a character introduction it didn't do the main character any favors, and IMO parts of it are just annoying and silly. If other folks like it, great. For me it wouldn't matter except this is the first character I can think of in the MCU whose importance needed to be forced in such a lame, lazy manner. And she's sucking up screen time in EG with her not-believable little girl voice.

Whichever way you slice or dice it my friend that counts as a SUCCESS to anyone, any time, any where. And all the Captain Marvel 2 and Blu Rays sales nonsense...you don't need to worry about selling Blu Ray discs when you put a billion in the bank on a single release in a matter of...weeks! What if the people who didn't like Captain Marvel don't come back for part 2...if I put everything on the field and come in first place at the Boston Marathon I'm not losing sleep that I may have pushed myself too hard to start training for next year's marathon and may not come in first again next year...like most sane people I'm too busy enjoying he fact that I just came in first at this year's race.

Yeah, u do. U really do. Movies like Waterworld which were box office bombs actually cleared a profit via disc sales, so technically the movie ISN'T a bomb. The "aftermarket" doesn't get reported 'coz it's not click bait and it's boring, but green is green is green as far as money is concerned. And yeah you DO hafta worry if you have a product that "gets over" - because the theater business isn't doing all that well.

https://www.businessinsider.com/movie-theaters-losing-in-brick-and-mortar-meltdown-2018-1

The number of actual tickets sold in US movie theaters in 2017 fell 3.6% year-over-year to 1.25 billion tickets, according to The Numbers. That's down 21% from "Peak Ticket Sales" in 2002, when box offices sold 1.58 billion tickets. In fact, the number of tickets sold in 2017 was the lowest since 1995.

So yeah, in a business that's on shaky ground (theaters) sure, you can still churn out an End Game. But after every success you need to figure out what you're gonna do NEXT. Disney's hedging its bets with its planned streaming service.

https://www.investors.com/news/disney-streaming-service-forecasts-disney-stock-netflix/

While a presale frenzy of the upcoming Marvel blockbuster "Avengers: Endgame" is causing websites to crash, the debut of Disney Plus later this year is causing Wall Street analysts to grow very bullish on Disney stock.

"The $70 billion acquisition of Fox is now closed and the approaching debut of Disney+ streaming service (in late 2019) marks a momentous shift in the company's content monetization model from third-party licensing to direct-to-consumer streaming," Goldman Sachs analyst Drew Borst wrote in a note to clients Thursday.

The top bank issued a buy rating on Disney stock and a 12-month price target of 142.

 

[Ehollywood]

I am. 'Coz "everyone" knows that a "good" well-made film doesn't particularly equal huge box office. There's movies like Finding Neverland that I think are perfection - or I, Tonya - that will NEVER have huge box office. And a lot of quality films aren't anything you'd roll the whole family out to. Others that don't especially translate well to the overseas box office - even read some comment where a writer points out if your screenplay can't be easily translated now, it's not gonna sell https://www.amazon.com/Art-Screenwriting-Writing-Successful-Screenplay/dp/1560253223

The other part of that is when folks cheer about the "money CM made" IMO it's disingenuous to completely ignore the huge EG influence. On paper sure, "CM made a billion dollars". IMO it's more correct to say "interest in End Game helped CM to a massive opening weekend box office" etc. Disney simply placed the film where a profit would be more or less guaranteed. And the overseas market is CM's biggest profit boost.

It's not that CM doesn't have anything redeeming about it IMO. But it's not a movie - unlike most of the MCU films - that I think I need a copy of on the shelf, or even needs to exist, as is. Because as a character introduction it didn't do the main character any favors, and IMO parts of it are just annoying and silly. If other folks like it, great. For me it wouldn't matter except this is the first character I can think of in the MCU whose importance needed to be forced in such a lame, lazy manner. And she's sucking up screen time in EG with her not-believable little girl voice.



Yeah, u do. U really do. Movies like Waterworld which were box office bombs actually cleared a profit via disc sales, so technically the movie ISN'T a bomb. The "aftermarket" doesn't get reported 'coz it's not click bait and it's boring, but green is green is green as far as money is concerned. And yeah you DO hafta worry if you have a product that "gets over" - because the theater business isn't doing all that well.

https://www.businessinsider.com/movie-theaters-losing-in-brick-and-mortar-meltdown-2018-1


So yeah, in a business that's on shaky ground (theaters) sure, you can still churn out an End Game. But after every success you need to figure out what you're gonna do NEXT. Disney's hedging its bets with its planned streaming service.

https://www.investors.com/news/disney-streaming-service-forecasts-disney-stock-netflix/

Were you one of the many claiming this movie was going to Fail at the Box-office? I have a feeling you were.

 

[jal76]

Agree. The crazy level certainly went to 11.. but I did find it entertaining at times. Like you I'm stoked for AEG. I look forward to reading what you thought of it.

Thanks! I am optimistic that the Russos will deliver the goods!

 

[Sassafras]

Were you one of the many claiming this movie was going to Fail at the Box-office? I have a feeling you were.

No. There's no way to know that. Studios track trends and all that; but a lot of movies that in theory should have performed well, don't.

If I had had to guess, aside from all the uproar over Brie's comments, that the movie - ANYTHING pre End Game - would have a big opening weekend and drop off. Domestically CM seems to have performed like a lot of MCU movies.

 

[ironwez20]

People make fun of actors and actresses all the time. Better then trying to start some stupid political war over some forgettable movie.

 

[jal76]

People make fun of actors and actresses all the time. Better then trying to start some stupid political war over some forgettable movie.

Yeah, no. I could not care less about making fun of actors' and actresses' opinions, talents or lack there-of, etc. I am far from a crusader for social justice, just an old school gentleman I guess who thinks it's the height of bone headed nerdery to make fun of any woman's appearance tucked away behind the safety of your key board. Maybe it's a generational or upbringing thing that you and that guy are not catching on to.

 

[SilverStar17]

Yeah, no. I could not care less about making fun of actors' and actresses' opinions, talents or lack there-of, etc. I am far from a crusader for social justice, just an old school gentleman I guess who thinks it's the height of bone headed nerdery to make fun of any woman's appearance tucked away behind the safety of your key board. Maybe it's a generational or upbringing thing that you and that guy are not catching on to.

Agreed, but I think this should go for anyone just as people, not just women. One of my pet peeves for instance is guys who will hold doors open for women, but let them slam in the face of males. I find this to be extremely disingenuous.

 

[jal76]

Agreed, but I think this should go for anyone just as people, not just women. One of my pet peeves for instance is guys who will hold doors open for women, but let them slam in the face of males because they’re males. I find this to be extremely disingenuous.

True, true...I agree with you there. Unfortunately I can't help myself that the old school side of myself will always be more annoyed when guys pick on ladies.

 

[a-dev]

I will say that I agree there. The flat-*** jokes did get old. There was one meme early on which I admit I responded to with lols because of the way it used....a Thanos quote if memory serves. It was at least clever while it was being crude. Overall though, it did people's arguments no favours when they insisted on bringing Brie's appearance into it. I felt they were shooting themselves in the foot.

 

[SilverStar17]

I will say that I agree there. The flat-*** jokes did get old. There was one early on which I admit I responded to with lols because of the way it used....a Thanos quote if memory serves. It was at least clever while it was being crude. Overall though, it did people's arguments no favours when they insisted on bringing Brie's appearance into it. I felt they were shooting themselves in the foot.

Agreed.

 

[ironwez20]

Yeah, no. I could not care less about making fun of actors' and actresses' opinions, talents or lack there-of, etc. I am far from a crusader for social justice, just an old school gentleman I guess who thinks it's the height of bone headed nerdery to make fun of any woman's appearance tucked away behind the safety of your key board. Maybe it's a generational or upbringing thing that you and that guy are not catching on to.

Who cares. It’s the internet. People make fun of everything. As long as it’s not racist, sexist , or homophobic they can make fun of her appearance. All I see are people making fun of her nasty *** feet and rightfully so. Unless they said something crazy

 

[jal76]

Who cares. It’s the internet. People make fun of everything. As long as it’s not racist, sexist , or homophobic they can make fun of her appearance. All I see are people making fun of her nasty *** feet and rightfully so. Unless they said something crazy

The internet would be a much better place if people conducted themselves on it in the same way that they conduct themselves outside of it. Sadly for many internet conduct is the true self coming out because the offline facade is in place purely out of cowardice. I would love to see one of you Keyboard Toughguys meet Brie Larson in person. The trembling alone would make it worth while. But, once again if you get your jollies off making fun of a woman's appearance that petrified reaction to meeting Brie Larson would probably apply to meeting any lady in person