Cave Troll PF (Any Interest)?

[GondorGirl]

Images can be deceiving. In the first pic Aragorn is leaning backwards and the Cave Troll is at fully height. I'm comparing the actual specs/size of the real life Cave Troll compared to the real life Abomination . They are both the same height so the size I posted for Abomination directly relates to the size of the Cave Troll. And yes, it would have to be hunched over. My point is because the Cave Troll and Abomination are the same size and Sideshow produced an Abomination PF, a Cave Troll PF is possible. Probably not realistic but possible. I can tell you one thing, if they made it, I would buy it. The biggest hurdle is the bases. To do a Cave Troll PF, the standard base used for the Lord of the Rings PFs would have to change and my guess is that it won't happen.

Two bases? One for each foot

 

[mikkipog]

I would sincerely and completely disagree with this, personally I far prefer Weta LOTR products (including the SSW line) then SS products

And, yes, you are generalising!

ok, just for the sake of arguement, have you seen both the ss weta cave troll bust and sideshow's cave troll lsb? can you say that ss-weta's version is superior? also, point out any weta piece of legolas and compare them to the upcoming legolas pf from sideshow then tell me whose is better.

as i said i was not generalizing. some of weta's pieces are better, like the balrog. and since sideshow hasn't done a lot of pieces yet, there's still not that much to compare. let's wait til the sauron pf gets released then we'll compare it to weta's full stat, the cave troll pf (in case) to the cave troll statue, etc. but what i'm saying is, as what woodsy also stated, MOST of the pieces that sideshow has released SO FAR, when compared to it's weta counterpart, turned out to be better versions.

to each his own i guess.

 

[GondorGirl]

ok, just for the sake of arguement, have you seen both the ss weta cave troll bust and sideshow's cave troll lsb? can you say that ss-weta's version is superior? also, point out any weta piece of legolas and compare them to the upcoming legolas pf from sideshow then tell me whose is better.

as i said i was not generalizing. some of weta's pieces are better, like the balrog. and since sideshow hasn't done a lot of pieces yet, there's still not that much to compare. let's wait til the sauron pf gets released then we'll compare it to weta's full stat, the cave troll pf (in case) to the cave troll statue, etc. but what i'm saying is, as what woodsy also stated, MOST of the pieces that sideshow has released SO FAR, when compared to it's weta counterpart, turned out to be better versions.

to each his own i guess.

I have no intention of getting into this age old debate! IMO the SSW bust is better but, you will prolly just shake your head and laugh, but I am serious...this is because we simply DISAGREE and have different tastes when it comes to our collecting likes/dislikes.

'Better' and 'Worse' are completely subjective terms that depend on the eye of the beholder, so please stop stating 'Sideshow are better' as if this was somehow fact...they may be for you (which is totally cool and I respect that ) But not for all of us!

 

[mikkipog]

I have no intention of getting into this age old debate! IMO the SSW bust is better but, you will prolly just shake your head and laugh, but I am serious...this is because we simply DISAGREE and have different tastes when it comes to our collecting likes/dislikes.

'Better' and 'Worse' are completely subjective terms that depend on the eye of the beholder, so please stop stating 'Sideshow are better' as if this was somehow fact...they may be for you (which is totally cool and I respect that ) But not for all of us!

ok, ok. as i said, i was NEVER generalizing. i love some of weta's pieces (i'm actually on the way into completeing the horse and rider sets, all 5 pieces including the gothmog on warg piece), and i love some of sideshow's (consists most of my collection). i also respect your opinion and i agree that there really is no way out of this debate. again, as i said, to each his own. at the end of the day, it's our own collection we'll be staring at, and if we're happy at what we have and what we're seeing, who has the right to say we should see it otherwise, right?

peace!

but still, i say that ifever sideshow finally decides on doing a cave troll premium format figure, given the track record they have on doing the lotr baddies and creatures in pf form, i believe they will do a really good job and ifever, i can't wait to see it and finally have one for my collection.

 

[GondorGirl]

ok, ok. as i said, i was NEVER generalizing. i love some of weta's pieces (i'm actually on the way into completeing the horse and rider sets, all 5 pieces including the gothmog on warg piece), and i love some of sideshow's (consists most of my collection). i also respect your opinion and i agree that there really is no way out of this debate. again, as i said, to each his own. at the end of the day, it's our own collection we'll be staring at, and if we're happy at what we have and what we're seeing, who has the right to say we should see it otherwise, right?

peace!

I'll drink to that Peace accepted

Good choice on the riders line, always loved those pieces

 

[KAOSINLA]

'Better' and 'Worse' are completely subjective terms that depend on the eye of the beholder

I don't believe these are entirely subjective terms. I think what others have stated in liking certain SS pieces better, in contrast to their respective counterparts, are referring to likeness, materials, quality, and detail (not essence or look), which is a byproduct of a "better" sculptor, materials, and design. Look is subjective, but other attributes are quantifiable. If talent and quality weren't based on a sliding scale then there would be no difference from Hasbro to CM. This falls into every product category.

 

[GondorGirl]

I don't believe these are entirely subjective terms. I think what others have stated in liking certain SS pieces better, in contrast to their respective counterparts, are referring to likeness, materials, quality, and detail (not essence or look), which is a byproduct of a "better" sculptor, materials, and design. Look is subjective, but other attributes are quantifiable. If talent and quality weren't based on a sliding scale then there would be no difference from Hasbro to CM. This falls into every product category.

Please quote the rest of what I said, which was aimed at one person in this thread.

I was simply making the point that someone saying that 'sideshow is better' is unfair because it depends how you feel about a line of collectables from a particular brand, Not the quality of materials etc

 

[Anubis]

Exactly. Why does one company always have to be better than the other? Should we not just be happy we are given such a mixture of pieces by both companies? Stupid argument.

 

[FrodoEyes]

but so far, sideshow's items have mostly been better, not generalizing here, just mostly... and they are bigger! the only ones that i really like from the ss weta line are the horse sets! and sideshow has already stated that they won't be doing those in pf form, so that leaves them to be made in diorama scale which makes them smaller than the weta pieces (weta ones are in 1/6 scale while ss dios are in 1/9). but then again, who knows? those might come out better too!

I don't think any of the PF creatures have been better than Weta. The moria orcs are far superior to the Santa orc, and the zerker also is better. Sideshow have radicalised theirs and turned it into some sort of hybrid. Weta created these creatures and believe me, they can't be bettered. The humans are a different matter, obviously the Aragorn PF has a better likeness than the SSW Aragorn statue, but PF's are just not my thing so i prefer to have the SSW statue.
Some people might prefer a SS cave troll PF because it'll be more affordable than the Weta one for them, but, impressive as i'm sure it would look, do you really think they could do better than the person who actually created it for the film?
And you admit you prefer the SS PF's because they're bigger...but not better. The only SSW you say you like are the horse statues....because they're big, by any chance?

 

[mikkipog]

I don't believe these are entirely subjective terms. I think what others have stated in liking certain SS pieces better, in contrast to their respective counterparts, are referring to likeness, materials, quality, and detail (not essence or look), which is a byproduct of a "better" sculptor, materials, and design. Look is subjective, but other attributes are quantifiable. If talent and quality weren't based on a sliding scale then there would be no difference from Hasbro to CM. This falls into every product category.

i'm with you bro, this is the point i was trying to make with gondor girl but it seems we're just not seeing things on the same level. although i'm saying this with the utmost respect to everyone's opinion here. some collectors look at these pieces aesthetically, considering the sculpt, materials used, just like what you said. but some i think are basing their judgement on the emotional attachment they have with their pieces. i mean, again, i'm not generalizing, there are some figures that are obviously inferior compared to their counterpart made by another company but since that is what they have, and they like it, they consider it the better version, if not the best.

just like what gondor girl said, and i quote, "I don't believe for one second that I could feel the same about a PF CT as I could about my SSW CT..." the way she said it, without even seeing the final product if in case ss even does consider doing a cave troll pf, you can tell that her mind is already closed on her item being the best version there is, so i just stopped trying to make her see my point. but i respect her if she sees it that way.

glad someone here, with woodsy of course, sees this from the same level as i do.

Exactly. Why does one company always have to be better than the other? Should we not just be happy we are given such a mixture of pieces by both companies? Stupid argument.

it may be an arguement but it's not stupid. yes, most of us are happy with what we have from what ss-weta and ss have released. but it doesn't follow that we just have to accept everything that comes out and we cannot compare what does indeed come out, that's how a working mind goes, just making observations and expressing opinions - and that is not stupid.

 

[GondorGirl]

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[Anubis]

it may be an arguement but it's not stupid. yes, most of us are happy with what we have from what ss-weta and ss have released. but it doesn't follow that we just have to accept everything that comes out and we cannot compare what does indeed come out, that's how a working mind goes, just making observations and expressing opinions - and that is not stupid.

True, you can compare and make observations, but it's just this whole age old SS V Weta debate always just seems to pit one company's products against the others, just not in a good way. It goes without saying one person will have different opinions from others, but it's just when people start saying other's opinions are wrong and that one product is definately better than the other, that's when it get's stupid.

 

[GondorGirl]

True, you can compare and make observations, but it's just this whole age old SS V Weta debate always just seems to pit one company's products against the others, just not in a good way. It goes without saying one person will have different opinions from others, but it's just when people start saying other's opinions are wrong and that one product is definately better than the other, that's when it get's stupid.

Very nicely put Anubis

 

[Anubis]

Very nicely put Anubis

Thanks.

And to get back on track, I don't think a PF Troll will happen. Would be nice, but most likely not IMO.

 

[GondorGirl]

Thanks.

And to get back on track, I don't think a PF Troll will happen. Would be nice, but most likely not IMO.

No worries

Yeah, I am inclined to agree with that as well, I think if they were going to do a huge charactor (36" and upwards) it would only be Sauron.

Congrats on the 300th post BTW

 

[Anubis]

No worries

Yeah, I am inclined to agree with that as well, I think if they were going to do a huge charactor (36" and upwards) it would only be Sauron.
Congrats on the 300th post BTW

Yes, and TBH I would prefer Sauron I think.

And yeah 300 Not much for 2 and a half years is it?

 

[GondorGirl]

Yes, and TBH I would prefer Sauron I think.

And yeah 300 Not much for 2 and a half years is it?

Yeah, me too

You have alot of catching up to do...seeing as I joined 2 months after you and am on 3,000ish posts

 

[Anubis]

Yeah, me too

You have alot of catching up to do...seeing as I joined 2 months after you and am on 3,000ish posts

Yeah i know! But there's plenty of time...

 

[Seaward]

If the PF Cave Troll would be roughly the size of the Abomination, I would definitely be interested. That would easily be a ballpark for a sense of cost. The SSW Statue was amazing, but I would love to see him again at this scale (I also sold my SSW stuff years ago - so this would be a nice way to get him again!)

 

[mikkipog]

True, you can compare and make observations, but it's just this whole age old SS V Weta debate always just seems to pit one company's products against the others, just not in a good way. It goes without saying one person will have different opinions from others, but it's just when people start saying other's opinions are wrong and that one product is definately better than the other, that's when it get's stupid.

if you compare bro, one with always come out better than the other. that's how it goes. and going thru the posts in this thread, no one really said that anybody's opinion is downright wrong. i can say that in my opinion, the weta cave troll bust is crap compared to sideshow's legendary scale bust, but weta's balrog statue is a grail compared to the poor quality of sideshow's balrog vs gandalf dio. that's my opinion, and anyone is welcome to agree or disagree with it. if you have your own opinion, then i can respect that, and i can also agree or disagree with it. but if anyone would say that anybody's opinion is WRONG, then i'm with you in saying that that is stupidity.

it all boils down to respect. to each his own as i said to gondor girl yesterday.

now to go back to the topic, i myself think it's wishful thinking to expect for a cave troll pf. realistically, it would be costly, both for the manufacturers and us the consumers, for such a massive figure to be produced. but anyone can dream, right? and it is possible. costly as maybe a 1:1 bust or maybe close to a lifesize statue, but possible. and if the cave troll pf ever does become a reality, then i'd definitely be getting myself one.