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I'm a little older than you and never thought Commando was a great film. Poorly short, poorly costumed, poorly acted, and just poorly made in every aspect. It was a head-scratcher for me at its time. So popular that Arnold even kept the look for Predator. The two films that truly shaped Arnold's style were T1 and Commando -- from his look to his famous one-liner.

Are you sure you are a little older.. Or was I just a lot dumber :lol

I never though Commando was a classic but me and some of my school friends use to argue about which was better Commando or Rambo 2.. I was a defender of Rambo 2.. Little did I know that both were bad but Rambo 2 is still better :lol

While I loved all the action in Commando I remember hating most of the Jokes.. It was just a weird film the transformed before my eyes as it got worse and worse. I have no idea what I saw in it.. I can usually look proudly at my old film taste and say that I did not get fooled by such crap.

Only to some people around here. Many of the same ones who think Goonies is also Classic.

Case and point.. Never liked it.. Dont get why some do.
 
Calling films from the 80s and 90s classics feels weird. In my mind theyre not that old. When I was a kid, only films from the 20s - 60s were considered classics. Somehow calling Ghostbusters, Predator, Robocop, Pulp Fiction or The Matrix classics sounds ridiculous. How long before Pirates of the Caribbean, LOTR or TDK are considered classics?Are Infinity War and Endgame future classics too? GOTG the future Ghostbusters for kids today? How long before they're dated too?

I find it strange with music.. Back in 1985, songs from the 50's was considered the oldies.. Well guess what.. Its 2020... 1985 music is now the oldies. :lol

Master of Puppets is classic Rock :lol
 
I that T2 improves on T1 in several ways, but what hurts it for me is the tone. T1, despite its occasional moments of '80s cheese (and the awkward/unnecessary sex scene), still feels like a darker, seedier movie. T2 is a crowd-pleaser complete with jokes, one-liners, and light-hearted family moments. It's possible to prefer one over the other without "slaughtering" the other.

yeah.. I try not to be as hard on T2 now as they are such different films Tone wise..
As for Lethal Weapon, the whole franchise is dated...in a good way tho.

Yes I agree.. I still think they come across as good fun films though and enjoy the overall heart they all have.

Exactly. And Sarah only just met Kyle in T1. They barely know each other, yet they have to stick together because everyone else thinks they're crazy. In T2, Sarah's got her son, her off-the-grid buddies, and Dyson's family backing her up. She's nowhere near as alone as in T1.

Like I said before one is serious horror the other is slick action. I prefer T1 by a lot but I still enjoy T2.
 
Eh, but something like Cardi B?s WAP is serious and intellectually stimulating?

I don?t even know what that is.

But if it?s a current song then possible. So much of what we covet into old age is because of the time and place we hear it, not the content.


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Lethal Weapon series is very dated.
As is Commando.

Pretty much all those hyper testosterone films are looking really silly these days. While the teen aged angst ridden anti social kid I was loved them, now so look at them as just horrible stereotypical films. They are pretty much just like Shaft and Blackula in their subtle messaging.

We are still making those films, but rarely do they do well at all..... Rambo :Last Blood for example.


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T2 has been named so I suppose it's only a matter of time before someone says Aliens.
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I'll say it. I always loved Aliens over Alien but that changed around 5-8 years back when I began to appreciate the brilliant nuances of the original.

Then I played Alien: Isolation and my jaw dropped, it not only made Alien better, but makes me somewhat bummed that chronologically Isolation's calculated, atmospheric and restrained world building is immediately followed by Aliens.

Not that Aliens is bad mind you, it's just that Isolation did what no Alien movie could, create an equal experience to the original.
 
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Oh great, I've just given them another one :lol


I may prefer T1 to T2 but otherwise rest assured that I at least don't agree with the sweeping generalizations and dismissals of lots of classic (yes classic) action flicks being mentioned in this thread. :) Except Commando because that was always silly and not something that I ever elevated.
 
Calling films from the 80s and 90s classics feels weird. In my mind theyre not that old. When I was a kid, only films from the 20s - 60s were considered classics. Somehow calling Ghostbusters, Predator, Robocop, Pulp Fiction or The Matrix classics sounds ridiculous. How long before Pirates of the Caribbean, LOTR or TDK are considered classics?Are Infinity War and Endgame future classics too? GOTG the future Ghostbusters for kids today? How long before they're dated too?

I'm in my mid-20s and my colleagues think of films from the 2000s as old -- and the '70s / '80s stuff as ancient (the way I think of the golden age). :lol I was raised on a lot of the stuff my parents liked, so my taste must be a generation behind.

Having that said, I do consider Gladiator and Curse of the Black Pearl classics. Not because of their age, but because they're excellent films and harken back to an old-school style of "epic" filmmaking. It's unfortunate that we may not see anything like them again.
 
Lethal Weapon series is very dated.
As is Commando.

Pretty much all those hyper testosterone films are looking really silly these days. While the teen aged angst ridden anti social kid I was loved them, now so look at them as just horrible stereotypical films. They are pretty much just like Shaft and Blackula in their subtle messaging.

We are still making those films, but rarely do they do well at all..... Rambo :Last Blood for example.


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Again I say Lethal Weapon is about more then just the action.. Its a comedy and the series is really about family. Sure it looks like an 80's film because it is and cops would never get away with some of the stuff but much of that is where the comedy comes in.

No there is just no comparison of Lethal Weapon films with movies like Commando, Over the Top, Hard Target, Cobra etc...
 
I don?t even know what that is.

But if it?s a current song then possible. So much of what we covet into old age is because of the time and place we hear it, not the content.


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I usually can go with your flow.. But sometimes there is what is real music and there is real crap.

WAP is pure crap.
 


I never thought I'd get a boner from listening to a song. What a great artist. The Beetles, Bowie, Michael Jackson...got nothing on WAP. :lol

I'm in my mid-20s and my colleagues think of films from the 2000s as old -- and the '70s / '80s stuff as ancient (the way I think of the golden age). :lol I was raised on a lot of the stuff my parents liked, so my taste must be a generation behind.

Having that said, I do consider Gladiator and Curse of the Black Pearl classics. Not because of their age, but because they're excellent films and harken back to an old-school style of "epic" filmmaking. It's unfortunate that we may not see anything like them again.

Interesting, I'm sure movies studies are aware of this and take advantage of it. It explains why remakes and reboots exist.

Again I say Lethal Weapon is about more then just the action.. Its a comedy and the series is really about family. Sure it looks like an 80's film because it is and cops would never get away with some of the stuff but much of that is where the comedy comes in.

No there is just no comparison of Lethal Weapon films with movies like Commando, Over the Top, Hard Target, Cobra etc...

I consider Lethal Weapon a flawless film within its genre and as far as accomplishing what it was set out to achieve. It's the quintessential buddy cop film and so much of that film has been copied, parodied, and become cliche, but structurally is a well made film. The film is ridiculous and over the top down to the acting and constant yelling, but its got great replay value. LW 2 was pretty good as well. Part 3 I didn't care for, but I liked 4. My only issue with 4 is the Riggs( Mel) looks nothing like the character from the first three films. Danny Glover looked exactly the same tho.
 
I opened this thread cause I expected click bait about how "OMG we need to talk about how SERIOUSLY not cool Revenge of the Nerds is, cause like, they're totally RAPISTS."

I was pleasantly surprised to see that I was wrong.

I can't add any to the lists though...I love the movies I love because of nostalgia and have always accepted them, flaws and all.

And yes, one of those movies IS Revenge of the Nerds and I'm glad I own a copy cause I think it's only a matter of time before it's banned outright. Or movies like Idiocracy or The 40 Year Old Virgin or any movie that ever existed where people called each other "gay" or "retarded."

I'm fully aware that I'm on the "wrong side of history" and I DGAF and never will. "Animal House" will never not be hilarious to me.


Also, isn't it weird how movies that are period pieces hold up better, even if they were made with outdated technology, but we just don't judge them as harshly cause they were depicting times before cell phones and stuff?
 
I know they aren't that old but I'd say the Nolan trilogy. I cant sit through them anymore and if I had to id just watch Begins.
 
I know they aren't that old but I'd say the Nolan trilogy. I cant sit through them anymore and if I had to id just watch Begins.


Blasphemy! Though I will say that while TDK was the Batflick I deserved at the time, it's not the one I need right now. For that I have BvS.
 
Only to some people around here. Many of the same ones who think Goonies is also Classic.

I was enamoured with it as a child -- I enjoyed the musical score, and like many children enjoyed the idea of kids being independent, going on adventures, outsmarting adults ... and I was particularly taken with the idea of a vast and secret underground world.

Couldn't possibly watch it past childhood, though.
 
In my experience, this is very, very rare. Unless someone experiences something traumatic, they very rarely change.

There are very few people out there that are willing to accept that their own character traits and choices are the main determinants of the kind of life they are living.

This is an interesting topic. I agree with you in general -- people's core traits may remain -- but I think most people change at least superficially due to circumstance, i.e. marriage, kids, responsibilities ... and other people really do outgrow things and change in fundamental ways, just to what extent and how many such people there are is an open question.

I know there have been fundamental shifts in the way I do things based on experiences and what I wanted at any given time. I can't be that uncommon.

The worst shot in Batman ?89 is the FIRST shot we see of Batman.

Agreed, it looks like junk.

[...]We've talked about this before, but this is generally how I see things too. You're meant to "shed" things as you grow up and reach a certain age. A few things remain from each period and together they form a sort of "collage". A person isn't meant to keep holding onto literally everything they've ever consumed. That's asinine and it has no point. It doesn't reflect character. It sounds a bit silly to say this about pop culture, but I take taste in all things into account. Music, Literature, Film, Sports, anything and everything. As time goes on you focus on a few specifics and indulge in them only.

So are we changing, or are their fixed aspects of our personality ever-present that grow dominant as time renders other experiences trivial?


In my experience, people don't change. Even the ones that make a mistake, a big one at times, and are forgiven, still don't. The more you give them, the more they'll take. And aside from "leeches", nobody I've ever known has ever changed.

I've seen at least 2 people I grew up with change, or appear to. One bettered himself, the other one spiraled. If you'd taken a snapshot of me at 15 or 16 there is no way you could have predicted me from 26 to 47. I made some massively out-of-character choices that set me on very different paths. Or was it in my character all along? Chicken or egg.

To truly change, one has to have the need to change something. If you're happy with what you are, there's no point. If you do want to change, you need to look inwards and recognize your faults. And then comes the hardest part which is taking action. It requires will and determination, and the majority simply lacks those things. They can theoretically change, but it's not some constant; it happens rarely. I don't believe that everyone enters a coocoon at some point and emerges a butterfly. Some are born snakes, others lions, others worms and so on and so forth. A person's type is visible since childhood. At least IMHO.

A lot of truth to that. I can think of 3 fundamental changes within my own personality over the decades. Some of them came via sheer will, another I'd chalk up to experience but it becomes that confounding chicken and egg question.

When it comes to collecting and generally pop culture, I think we all follow a constant path too. We have a type since childhood and that caries us across the mediums and genres and everything.

On some level, I'll always love ANH and ESB. At least set-pieces or scenes. But that's childhood. Star Wars in general is a mess and the more I've engaged with it as an adult the less I want to. The ST was a pile of steaming trash, and if I'm honest with myself, about one-third of The Mandalorian is good, the rest is mediocre to bad, and without the visuals and production design, I would ignore it completely. I decided I don't need any of that merchandise. I was considering it but felt no real drive for it in the end.

I feel like it was a thing of the past I re-discovered and after the initial flush of nostalgia and excitement, I found myself looking at it critically and feel I can leave it behind. It's better as a memory than an experience. This has been a recent development but it's not mere burn-out. I just can't see myself engaging with this content anymore. I feel pity for some of the stunted personalities on YouTube but that's a whole other story.

This leads me to another wild tangent -- I have such fond memories of the '90s in spite of knowing that *objectively* almost everything about me as a human being and the way I spend my time is better now, by an order of magnitude. Memories lie. And I think as we comb through the films of the past we often discover that.
 
T2 > T1 > Matrix > TPM

Gremlins sucks

Goonies sucks

89 Batman/BR Good

BF/B&R Bad

First Blood > Rambo 2 (by alot)

Commando directors cut > LW

Commando directors cut > Cobra

Starship Troopers > Predator 2

Arnold > Stallone (But I love FB and Rocky series)

Raiders/Predator1/Robocop1/Aliens/DieHard1/T2/RW/CTB/Rocky1/FB/GoodBadUgly/Exorcist/The Thing = Masterpieces

Every Which Way But Loose/Smokey Bandit1/Animal House/Airplane1/Caddy Shack/Beverly Hills Cop1/Police Academy1/ROTN1/Back to School/Bachelor Party/FBDO/Fast Times RH = Masterpieces
 
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