College Football 2011 thread

[EXOTICLEX]

It was made clear today from the freeh report that JoePa lead us to believe he knew a lot less than he did. We were all deceived by JoePa. A reporter interviewed him three days before he died and he still denied knowing anything about JS in 98. He pulled the wool and most of us believed him because it was JoePa and our perception of him was he's usually so out of it he prob didn't know all the details. He lost a lot believers today.

I don't blame people one bit for getting excited about this.

 

[EXOTICLEX]

https://espn.go.com/blog/bigten/post/_/id/53097/psu-fans-staying-loyal-to-joe-paterno

 

[Star Puffs]

Star Puffs we're not going to agree on anything, so I'll just say no hard feelings and cheers.

That does seem to be the case. No hard feelings here either.

 

[Star Puffs]

NCAA boss won't rule out death penalty for Penn St

If this scandal had "nothing to with football" or "outside the NCAA's scope" as the apologists have loudly proclaimed, then surely the NCAA President would not even entertain such a possibility.

 

[user 1190]

NCAA boss won't rule out death penalty for Penn St

If this scandal had "nothing to with football" or "outside the NCAA's scope" as the apologists have loudly proclaimed, then surely the NCAA President would not even entertain such a possibility.

Because they will fold to pressure from idiots like you.

 

[EXOTICLEX]

Statue is gone.
https://espn.go.com/college-footbal...-removed-penn-state-university-beaver-stadium

 

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https://espn.go.com/college-footbal...-facing-death-penalty-monday-ncaa-source-says

 

[Star Puffs]

I am wondering if the NCAA will reduce Penn State to true amateur status, as in a team with little to no scholarships. That would severely humble the team without disrupting the local community by completely removing an economic and social mainstay (a valid concern).

Players that really love Penn State and wish to remain can take out loans like everyone else. Nevertheless I am sure that would be considered a grave injustice to the Paterno cultists.

 

[BadMoon]

Please tell me how punishing future students is a win for anyone? This whole thing is stupid. How all the headlines are involving Paterno is beyond me. What about the actual criminal or the victims? ____ fire everyone that was employed at the time that knew. I can understand that. I do not understand how taking away scholarships or changing the rules for a team that had nothing to do with the incidents is called justice to some? ____ the NCAA.

 

[user 1190]

I am wondering if the NCAA will reduce Penn State to true amateur status, as in a team with little to no scholarships. That would severely humble the team without disrupting the local community by completely removing an economic and social mainstay (a valid concern).

Players that really love Penn State and wish to remain can take out loans like everyone else. Nevertheless I am sure that would be considered a grave injustice to the Paterno cultists.

You really are clueless. If they no scholarships they will sucks and lose community support.

Not to mention it will cripple every other sport and many other on campus activities. At a major college football it the biggest source of income outside of tuition and turns the biggest profit by insane percentages.

If people think football should be shut down for action of one coach then they shut down every sport for action of the athletic director and the whole school down for the actions of a president. But let me guess that's just crazy, but I don't see the difference, there job is overseeing this they have more criminal charges then Paterno (some before his death so they could have charged him) but what they were in charge of is unaffected with the exception of football.

They will lose some bowl games, lose some scholarships so all the idiots who are pressuring the NCAA ( people like you) will fell they did something.

I also bet the statue get housed for years and shows back up 5-10 years from now.

 

[BadMoon]

I seriously don't understand the grounds for any ruling outside of firing and prosecuting everyone involved? This is like throwing someone in jail that will eventually move into this Colorado shooters apartment. I mean how dare someone move in there. Utterly stupid.

 

[Star Puffs]

You really are clueless. If they no scholarships they will sucks and lose community support.

Not to mention it will cripple every other sport and many other on campus activities. At a major college football it the biggest source of income outside of tuition and turns the biggest profit by insane percentages.

If people think football should be shut down for action of one coach then they shut down every sport for action of the athletic director and the whole school down for the actions of a president. But let me guess that's just crazy, but I don't see the difference, there job is overseeing this they have more criminal charges then Paterno (some before his death so they could have charged him) but what they were in charge of is unaffected with the exception of football.

They will lose some bowl games, lose some scholarships so all the idiots who are pressuring the NCAA ( people like you) will fell they did something.

I also bet the statue get housed for years and shows back up 5-10 years from now.

I finally get it. You represent the sick 'winning is the only thing' mentality that is at the heart of this scandal.

I thought about it and agree that the death penalty is a bit harsh for the local economy. You just keep bleating about how this has 'nothing to do with football' to convince yourself, when now both the NCAA and Penn State administration feel differently (since they appear to have mutually agreed upon a football-related punishment).

If Penn State has a team, however poor, people can still buy tickets and visit State College as before. Sure they will lose bowl revenue, but the core economics remain the same, if people can truly stand by their team in adversity. Go tailgate, hang out with friends and family, hope for an upset, instead of expecting a victory.

I would still support Michigan if they had a long losing spell. If you love something you support it through thick and thin, otherwise you are just a fair-weather coward.

 

[Star Puffs]

I seriously don't understand the grounds for any ruling outside of firing and prosecuting everyone involved? This is like throwing someone in jail that will eventually move into this Colorado shooters apartment. I mean how dare someone move in there. Utterly stupid.

The worst case scenario for the current Penn State players is attending a quality research university with student loans (or other financing). Is it a grave punishment to be in the same position as 99% of other students?

The more likely scenario is free and immediate transfer to other football schools, scholarship intact, or, scholarship intact, remaining at Penn State as a student. To even compare that to being thrown in jail is so profoundly absurd it defies belief

 

[BadMoon]

Please tell me how it's fair to take something away from anyone for a crime they didn't commit?

Your rationale sucks to be nice. So what if some people have to make the choice to pay for school? So what if some kids EARN scholarships? You can't punish people that had nothing to do with a crime. If you believe that you then you are bat ____ crazy in my opinion.

 

[Star Puffs]

Please tell me how it's fair to take something away from anyone for a crime they didn't commit?

Your rationale sucks to be nice. So what if some people have to make the choice to pay for school? So what if some kids EARN scholarships? You can't punish people that had nothing to do with a crime. If you believe that you then you are bat ____ crazy in my opinion.

Get with reality.

The NCAA punishes schools on a routine basis for the actions of people since departed. That has been the structure of punishment for the entire existence of the NCAA. Every member has willingly agreed to that policy for their mutual benefit.

Is it completely fair, no. Has it been deemed better than just letting institutions profit from unfair or even criminal activity by individuals since departed, yes.

This is a balancing act grounded in reality, not childish demands for absolute fairness to every single stake holder.

You may disagree, but every single NCAA university has chosen to participate in that system. You always have the option of not following NCAA sports if you hate the NCAA and rules so much.

 

[BadMoon]

To be honest I really don't follow NCAA sports. And you can for damn sure I won't going forward. What a sad day in America when innocent people suffer for a crime they don't commit and ____ heads like you applaud it.

 

[EXOTICLEX]

You reap what you sew. Penn St had it coming. It won't be as harsh as people want though.

 

[BadMoon]

You reap what you sew. Penn St had it coming. It won't be as harsh as people want though.

Who does? The future students that did nothing wrong? Who reaps what they sew? That's BS. Fire and prosecute the people that committed the crime. This is so ridiculous I can't even understand how it's acceptable. I really can't.

 

[Sweet Rabbit]

The worst case scenario for the current Penn State players is attending a quality research university with student loans (or other financing). Is it a grave punishment to be in the same position as 99% of other students?

The more likely scenario is free and immediate transfer to other football schools, scholarship intact, or, scholarship intact, remaining at Penn State as a student. To even compare that to being thrown in jail is so profoundly absurd it defies belief

players can't just transfer and play the next year. they have to sit out a year before a player can play for the new school

 

[BadMoon]

players can't just transfer and play the next year. they have to sit out a year before a player can play for the new school

Meh apparently the future students also molested young boys somehow.