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Grenouille
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This would make it a bit more enticing for some programs to take fliers on some of these players.
Maybe if it was a month ago but timing wise it's just unrealistic. So in a week and half you have to move, get accepted to a school and start football? If they allow it after the season then I can see some transferring.
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A facebook post that made me laugh:
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I could understand taking the wins away if Joe was alive, but guys dead no real need to pile on now.
And my reason for being ok with it if he was alive is cause he put himself and the program before kids HE knew were in danger. As a father I can't get past or forgive that.
And my reason for being ok with it if he was alive is cause he put himself and the program before kids HE knew were in danger. As a father I can't get past or forgive that.
My problem with stripping wins is not one single bit of this had anything to do with what happened the field. There were no actual NCAA rules infractions. This is is 100% caving to narrow minded people in the world, and the Penn st board trying to continue to deflect any guilt from themselves. They are hoping we will take the penalty and they will forget we should be fired too as we also failed to make sure things were done right.
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I would be fine with it either way. However, last time I checked people are innocent until proven guilty in the court of law. Not some "report". Also the NCAA purpose is to make sure that everyone is equally competitive. IMO they do not have the right to do any of this. This whole thing stinks. It all has been soley about making Paterno the scapegoat. I bet more papers were written with Paterno versus the Sandusky name since this all started. It's even worse now that they smear a dead mans name without giving him a chance at defending himself.
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That's my point. The NCAA is not in force for the purpose of "making an example".
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I'm not gonna argue with you on any of what you've said. For me knowing what I know as of right now had Joe still been alive it won't bother me one bit him losing wins, I mean in the grand picture losing wins isn't gonna change anything either way but if it makes people feel good about a way to punish Joe Pa....I'll be ok with that, had it gone the other way I'd be ok too. Lots of hurt and anger about all this right now and what's right and wrong isn't always being looked at.
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They are moving too fast as well and basing decisions off of peoples hurt and anger.
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Agreed. I think the NCAA wants to be see as getting out ahead of this as to letting it linger on, right or wrongly.
None of what happened today or yesterday helps those kids involved in this.
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Agreed. I think the NCAA wants to be see as getting out ahead of this as to letting it linger on, right or wrongly.
None of what happened today or yesterday helps those kids involved in this.
That's something I have issue with as well. Isn't it ____ty that that would be considered over the line for the NCAA to do? Yet what they did earlier is so far okay.
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That's something I have issue with as well. Isn't it ____ty that that would be considered over the line for the NCAA to do? Yet what they did earlier is so far okay.
Beats me.
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I would agree. The NCAA has way too much power to do whatever they feel like at the time. The system doesn't even punish the guilty party 9 times out of 10, which is a major issue with the system they have in place.
BadMoon
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I just can't believe how this douche can stand up there and talk about this being a punishment. To whom?!?!
They should have took degrees away from all students that graduated as well between 98 and 2011.
Here are some free clues for the more ethically-challenged members who seem to be struggling with this matter:
The wins were stripped to take away from Paterno and others what they clearly valued above all else for many years. Is it just coincidence that the indictments came only after Paterno broke Bowden's win records? Enbaling Paterno's personal quest may have gone as high as the Attorney General and Governor.
Every win after 1998 is suspect because every player recruited was brought in under a false pretence of a uniquely ethical programme. Many, probably most players would have still gone to Penn State in light of the proper arrest of Sandusky in 1998, but some would have gone elsewhere, especially since Penn State apparently allowed Sandusky to recruit after 1998, even after 2001 incident.
No one thinks this will help the victims directly, but it does show them that not everyone is as complacent and cowardly as the Penn State top administrators and various other people between 1998 and 2011. Never forget that the child whose complaint broke this wide open was pressured by his high school administration not to report Sandusky and then harassed viciously when he did. Penn State's poisonous culture was not limited to its campus. A crystal clear message needed to be sent to a lot of people.
The penalty is there to make crystal clear that covering up criminal behavious of coaches or players in order to protect a team's image is a heinous moral failing that will not be tolerated even in a legendary coach with many positive contributions. Hopefully this will prevent such grotesque conduct in the future.
The new Penn State administration and NCAA helped protect the local economy by not stripping it of an economic pillar for even a single year. Popular opinion was for the death penalty. These penalties give the spirit of severe punishment without doing undue damage to innocent people.
The NCAA has the power to do this as part of a voluntary association. Deal with it. This is not a legal matter so stop squealing about 'innocent until proven guilty' and other non sequiturs.
Those of you who wanted it to be business as usual for the current team are exactly the sort of people who enable such cover ups.
The wins were stripped to take away from Paterno and others what they clearly valued above all else for many years. Is it just coincidence that the indictments came only after Paterno broke Bowden's win records? Enbaling Paterno's personal quest may have gone as high as the Attorney General and Governor.
Every win after 1998 is suspect because every player recruited was brought in under a false pretence of a uniquely ethical programme. Many, probably most players would have still gone to Penn State in light of the proper arrest of Sandusky in 1998, but some would have gone elsewhere, especially since Penn State apparently allowed Sandusky to recruit after 1998, even after 2001 incident.
No one thinks this will help the victims directly, but it does show them that not everyone is as complacent and cowardly as the Penn State top administrators and various other people between 1998 and 2011. Never forget that the child whose complaint broke this wide open was pressured by his high school administration not to report Sandusky and then harassed viciously when he did. Penn State's poisonous culture was not limited to its campus. A crystal clear message needed to be sent to a lot of people.
The penalty is there to make crystal clear that covering up criminal behavious of coaches or players in order to protect a team's image is a heinous moral failing that will not be tolerated even in a legendary coach with many positive contributions. Hopefully this will prevent such grotesque conduct in the future.
The new Penn State administration and NCAA helped protect the local economy by not stripping it of an economic pillar for even a single year. Popular opinion was for the death penalty. These penalties give the spirit of severe punishment without doing undue damage to innocent people.
The NCAA has the power to do this as part of a voluntary association. Deal with it. This is not a legal matter so stop squealing about 'innocent until proven guilty' and other non sequiturs.
Those of you who wanted it to be business as usual for the current team are exactly the sort of people who enable such cover ups.
VASith
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Sometimes the sexual abuse and cover up of said abuse are more important than a "w" in a win column. For a grown man to be friends with a man who was sodomizing young boys is disgusting, while keeping it a secret and even providing opportunities to abuse kids is even worse. "oh you like touching kids? I'll make sure you get access to all the little boys you want." The health and well being of our kids are more important than a football game. Kids can still go to PSU and get an education..just what college is supposed to provide.
Anyone who thinks this punishment is to deter this from happening, I am pretty sure the jail time those involved are facing is MUCH bigger deterrent. This is 100% folding to public pressure. Hell you listen to the NCAA soap box statement many things they say are pointless, and have less then 0% to do with any of this.
I am sure there are some stupid
who will still think this a better way to handle it then legally.
I am sure there are some stupid
puffs
VASith
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I think this is a warning signal to other universities as well as being a huge opportunity for psu to regroup and become a better university. No school is one man. This school has a history and now has an opportunity to show what they are and can be. I hope players stay to show they support the school as well as get a diploma from psu.
This was a sick, disgusting, horrid crime. Yes they got spanked, now they can get up and show who they are. Maybe some students will create a charity for abused kids or something similar. Maybe they can show other universities how to recover from a situation like this. They got their punishment...now they grow from it and learn or they can sit in the corner and sulk.
As for paterno..he protected a child molester. I think wiping wins away from some imaginary paper is the least of his worries if anyone believes in a god.
This was a sick, disgusting, horrid crime. Yes they got spanked, now they can get up and show who they are. Maybe some students will create a charity for abused kids or something similar. Maybe they can show other universities how to recover from a situation like this. They got their punishment...now they grow from it and learn or they can sit in the corner and sulk.
As for paterno..he protected a child molester. I think wiping wins away from some imaginary paper is the least of his worries if anyone believes in a god.
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