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Re: DC's "Suicide Squad" (August 5th, 2016)

I think a lot of people here may have different opinions of what is "classic".


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Is this classic? If so, I doubt it would look right when realized onscreen... without a major overhaul to meld him into the reality around him. Like they did with Ledger.
I don't necessarily mean aesthetically, Leto's Joker without the tattoos and all that **** would look perfect.

I meant more in the characterization.
 
Re: DC's "Suicide Squad" (August 5th, 2016)

Has the inevitable recasting of a major role in a major established "universe" happened yet? Not counting marketed reboots.
 
Re: DC's "Suicide Squad" (August 5th, 2016)

Usually when actors have a multi picture deal , it means the studio has the option to use that actor in multiple films if they want to, but it doesnt mean the studio is contractually obligated to use them.

I think they are trying to make joker as this mysterious character on screen just like thanos in GOTG. Even though everyone who's read the comics, know how the story would eventually turn out in the comics.

The only ones who didn't enjoy this is the comic book guys. My wife really enjoyed this movie, especially Harley's performance.
 
Re: DC's "Suicide Squad" (August 5th, 2016)

Going to be a long time to find another vastly original take on the Joker in the way Ledger/Nolan freshened up the character for the movie screens. And have it work for audiences.

But is Leto contractually obligated for more appearances? Is this DC's new take on the Joker?

many actors have automatic sequel clauses in their contracts, doesn't mean they have to honor them if the studio doesn't want to make them
 
Re: DC's "Suicide Squad" (August 5th, 2016)

Considering it opens on the 25th here, nope. But that's the consensus, and I never liked the route. Even if he's not bad, he's still not great. For such a campaign, where everyone tried to paint him as the Antichrist, he is a letdown in that aspect.

A let down maybe, but I'd wait till you at least see the movie before you make up your mind. you might be surprised.



I think a lot of people here may have different opinions of what is "classic".


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Is this classic? If so, I doubt it would look right when realized onscreen... without a major overhaul to meld him into the reality around him. Like they did with Ledger.

That's the thing, there's so many different iterations of the joker (and many other characters) that it's really up to the viewer/reader to decide which one is the best to their liking. I would consider that a classic, others might not.

Marvel makes entertaining movies.

Their stories might be simple and even dumb but it entertains everybody.
One thing marvel movies are not is boring.
They care enough to make sure both kids and parents and teens and old people can sit down and be entertained.
The action is serviceable enough and it has enough humor to be light but it is serious enough to not be a comedy.
Marvel does what pixar does, they try to entertain everybody. They wanna make sure the youngest and the oldest member of the family was entertained.


Batman v superman, thats not a movie that will please everybody. I KNOW and understand people here loved it.

But i cant see some family fully having a good time with it.
I dont even know who dc is making these movies for.

Who was the target audience for bvs or suicide squad?
Edgy hot topic teenagers?

I think DC is taking the route with their movie U like they did in the 80's with their books. They're trying to turn it upside down, marvel has always been the "kid friendly" side of the CB scene, and DC was in that same category until Year 1, Killing Joke, TDKR etc flipped that around. I don't mind that they're doing it for the movies, and I've enjoyed them up to this point. I think their target audience is the same as it's been since Batman Begins.
 
Re: DC's "Suicide Squad" (August 5th, 2016)

A let down maybe, but I'd wait till you at least see the movie before you make up your mind. you might be surprised.

Fair enough, I'm still keeping an open mind. But the whole "campaign" was a bad move in my opinion.
 
Re: DC's "Suicide Squad" (August 5th, 2016)

Hopefully we get another extended cut on bluray....however they just need to sort there editing issues out first and foremost. We need the best pick in cinema not home release 4/5 months later.
 
Re: DC's "Suicide Squad" (August 5th, 2016)

Usually when actors have a multi picture deal , it means the studio has the option to use that actor in multiple films if they want to, but it doesnt mean the studio is contractually obligated to use them.

many actors have automatic sequel clauses in their contracts, doesn't mean they have to honor them if the studio doesn't want to make them

Understood. I just wonder, when you're building a universe, is it advisable to recast or simply play it through and develop the character?

Marvel has hung on to its choice of actors despite hits and misses. The studio may perceive Leto as a "good catch" and may well keep him on to be "The Joker" in following DC universe films.
 
Re: DC's "Suicide Squad" (August 5th, 2016)

But it won't be another 2-3 years before we get another joker movie. By then, WB might decide to reboot the whole universe.

There's no shooting or announcement as of now that Leto will be in the next batman solo movie. And they are shooting JLA for next year. Meanwhile Leto is growing his hair and is prolly scheduled for his band tour. Doesn't surprise me if he's turned off with what the critics are saying bout his performance and quit acting for a few years to concentrate on his band.
 
Re: DC's "Suicide Squad" (August 5th, 2016)

Hopefully we get another extended cut on bluray....however they just need to sort there editing issues out first and foremost. We need the best pick in cinema not home release 4/5 months later.

Agreed, or let the director have more say into the input vs. the execs, which will never happen. That said though, the thing which will suck is if the director/extended cut on the inevitable dvd release is SO VASTLY different, which I think will happen with SS, it'll seem weird.
 
Re: DC's "Suicide Squad" (August 5th, 2016)

Just came back from a show.

Long story short, it was a fairly generic movie with very average special effects and mixed bag of performances from the casts. There were good laughs here and there and some fairly funny lines but only because they kept on throwing it as us until something eventually sticks. You know that saying, even a lousy machinegun will hit some targets. I give it a 6/10 only because I went in with practically zero expectation. I can't decide which one is the better movie, this or BvS.

Read on for the long story long version on my problem with this movie.

There is basically two version of this movie badly cut together. Remember those rumours of reshoots to add humour that was shot down? Turns out is true because you can see an obvious tonal shift from the second arc onwards.

Performances from the casts are a mixed bag. The stand out would be Margot Robbie as Harley. She is an eye candy and understands the character very well. Will Smith, well, he is the doing the Will Smith thing. Is not a breakout performance of any kind. Is just Will Smith. Captain Boomerang is the comic relief, to the point that his character is a caricature. I am not sure if that is how the character should be cause the Captain Boomerang in Arrow is like miles better. El Diablo has some surprisingly heartfelt scene and reserved performance. Rick Flagg is your generic GI with a predictable character arc. Killer Croc and Katana are as cookie cutter as it gets and has basically zero character development. Don't even get me started on Slipknot. He is the first to die and in an extremely pointless scene that almost feels insulting. In a nutshell, David Ayer is not the right guy for this. He can't handle an ensemble movie and it shows. There is very little chemistry with the whole squad.

Enchantress turns out to be the main villain as I suspected and kudos to them for hidden the other villain so well though ultimately, is also another generic villain. Viola Davis is a great Amanda Waller but she doesn't really have much to do here beyond acting intimidating. She will be a good character that has constant presences in all DCU ala Nick Fury though.

For a supposedly major entry into the DCU, Suicide Squad doesn't actually feels like a big budget movie. Remove the DC branding and their characters and it would have been a generic B-grade movie about a ragtag bunch on a mission. The fire CGI for El Diablo is just horrendous. Is some of the worse I have ever seen. Most of the time, it looks like something out of a PS2 era videogame.

The action scenes are also horribly shot like most modern movies these days. Too much closeups, too much cuts, and the overall dark cinematography does not help convey any clear action scenes. Half the time, you are wondering who is fighting who. These are worse than Nolan fight scenes. Say what we want about Snyder but that man knows how to do clear and concise fight scenes.

The soundtrack is easily the one of the weakest aspect of the movie. It is scored like a Tarantino film, i.e. using famous songs but it doesn't fit well in this movie at all. There is no consistency to the choice of songs and I get that they are trying to show that these are a bunch of individuals that could not be more different from each other but it is really jarring each time a different song comes up. GoTG did it perfectly well with this formula. SS sounds like a bad mix tape.

And the Joker, after all that hype and also BTS shenanigans by Jared Leto, his Joker can be summed up with one word, generic. Strip off his green hair an pale makeup and he is just another generic psychopathic villain. Suffice to say, his Joker will go down as the weakest one yet for a live action depiction. This is not the case of Ledger setting the bar to high, this is more of a case of someone not really getting the character at all. There is an element of self consciousness to this Joker. Like Leto himself feels silly playing this role. The result is a half baked portrayal of one of the greatest villains of all time.

DC is currently at a crossroads. They need to either go all serious or go light. This hybrid half dark/half comedy approach is not working at all.
 
Re: DC's "Suicide Squad" (August 5th, 2016)

I think WB execs need to get their ass out of the editing room, and back into the accounting room, let the experts you hired do their job.
 
Re: DC's "Suicide Squad" (August 5th, 2016)

I think WB execs need to get their ass out of the editing room, and back into the accounting room, let the experts you hired do their job.

This has been the audience war-cry for as long as I can remember. And I go back a long ways.

Sometimes the experts end up like Lucas and, strangely, it is Disney that revives the franchise.

Making a good movie really is very hard, even with all the right intentions. Otherwise we'd have many more of them.
 
Re: DC's "Suicide Squad" (August 5th, 2016)

I think WB execs need to get their ass out of the editing room, and back into the accounting room, let the experts you hired do their job.

If anything now they will be more heavily involved. Just have to hope that Affleck tells them to piss off when they come knocking.
 
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