DC Joker Movie (Non-DCEU)

[Wor-Gar]

So he got those scars when he was little?

I don't want a timeline on Heath's mystery. That's when the problems start.

 

[Asta]

I watched it a second time.

It's not a film to be enjoyed. It's a film to be experienced, as you make a journey with a wholly unlikable character in his descent into deeper madness.

It's as grim as an episode of Kojak.

The crazier he gets the more his life improves. And I picked up this time that he stopped taking his medication, and that seemed to release his brain, and open up new thoughts and opportunities. I see now that without his meds he becomes a possible candidate for Joker the criminal mastermind.

However, it still doesn't really gel that he's the actual comic book Joker. He's too old. He looks especially old in the close-up in the asylum/hospital at the end. I see him as the motivating factor for one of the younger, smarter, more claculating clown rioters to take on the mantle.

 

[Wor-Gar]

But why does he have to be the comic book Joker? This is just one interpretation. Just as Nolan's was. Or Burton's.

Did you see old man Nicholson as being too old to be the Joker in 1989? Or Romero in '66? They were both much older.

 

[Asta]

But why does he have to be the comic book Joker? This is just one interpretation. Just as Nolan's was. Or Burton's.

Did you see old man Nicholson as being too old to be the Joker in 1989? Or Romero in '66? They were both much older.

When Nicholson and Romero were old, Keaton and West were also much older.

In Joker Bruce Wayne was still a child. Phoenix is already mid-forties, and will be older than either Nicholson or Romero.


In the comics the Batman and the Joker are binary, they define each other. If the film is presenting the actual Joker, when Batman in his prime Joker will be a senior citizen.

It'll be into Old Man Joker territory.

 

[ironwez20]

When Nicholson and Romero were old, Keaton and West were also much older.

In Joker Bruce Wayne was still a child. Phoenix is already mid-forties, and will be older than either Nicholson or Romero.


In the comics the Batman and the Joker are binary, they define each other. If the film is presenting the actual Joker, when Batman in his prime Joker will be a senior citizen.

It'll be into Old Man Joker territory.

He?s not 40 he?s 30. All the trauma and stress makes him look old.

This is the joker of that world. I don?t know why people want to think this joker inspired another joker. That would mean joker is nothing but a copy cat in the vien of scream or something. This is the THE joker of that universe. Just different from what what we know.

 

[Wor-Gar]

When Nicholson and Romero were old, Keaton and West were also much older.

In Joker Bruce Wayne was still a child. Phoenix is already mid-forties, and will be older than either Nicholson or Romero.

Well who said Bruce Wayne IS Batman in this Joker movie?

 

[ironwez20]

But why does he have to be the comic book Joker? This is just one interpretation. Just as Nolan's was. Or Burton's.

Did you see old man Nicholson as being too old to be the Joker in 1989? Or Romero in '66? They were both much older.

Right. I don?t even like Nicholson joker but he was like in his 20s when he gunned down Bruce?s parents and like 40 when he became the joker. He looked old af

 

[Asta]

Well who said Bruce Wayne IS Batman in this Joker movie?

That's the kind of mental gymnastics TROS fans are having to employ.

The whole film is a fake. It only used familiar names such as 'Joker', 'Wayne' and 'Gotham' in order to get people to watch it. It's really just the story of one man's insanity. One Flew Over the Penguin's Nest.

It's an Elseworlds tale, but one that leads to a dead end, unless the Phoenoker inspires a younger, more capable Letoker or a Ledgoker from the mob at the end.

Which is probably why the idea of a sequel was put on the back burner.

 

[ironwez20]

That's the kind of mental gymnastics TROS fans are having to employ.

The whole film is a fake. It only used familiar names such as 'Joker', 'Wayne' and 'Gotham' in order to get people to watch it. It's really just the story of one man's insanity. One Flew Over the Penguin's Nest.

It's an Elseworlds tale, but one that leads to a dead end, unless the Phoenoker inspires a younger, more capable Letoker or a Ledgoker from the mob at the end.

Which is probably why the idea of a sequel was put on the back burner.

But a sequel is being considered now tho. The only reason why it wasn?t was cause people kept crying it was going to cause a mass shooting

 

[Asta]

He?s not 40 he?s 30. All the trauma and stress makes him look old.

That would help with the age gap.

But I find him an unlikable psychopath, unlike Romero, Nicholson or Ledger who all had some appealing characteristics. He isn't funny or cunning, but rather sad and pathetic.

Without the characteristics common to the comic book Joker, the Phoenoker is just a failed clown. An unworthy nemesis for the Batman.

 

[a-dev]

That would help with the age gap.

But I find him an unlikable psychopath, unlike Romero, Nicholson or Ledger who all had some appealing characteristics. He isn't funny or cunning, but rather sad and pathetic.

Without the characteristics common to the comic book Joker, the Phoenoker is just a failed clown. An unworthy nemesis for the Batman.

I agree completely. Not to take away from Phoenix's performance though, which was incredible.

But the next phase for his Joker would have to be to see him shed his nervousness and for intelligence to come to the fore. Otherwise he wouldn't stand a chance against Batman.

 

[Khev]

Where've you been a-dev? Now you have to go back and read my entire spiel about the ST delivering on the "long, hard road" promise of ESB.

 

[a-dev]

Where've you been a-dev? Now you have to go back and read my entire spiel about the ST delivering on the "long, hard road" promise of ESB.

Yeah, I said I'd reply to stuff when I got home from the pub but I was just too inebriated to post and fell asleep. And of course yesterday I was too hungover to have thoughts.

Now I'm in work and I don't know what the plan is later or if there is one. Those posts could be buried 30 pages deep in that thread.

 

[Khev]

Asking a-dev if he's read my commentary on the ST while he's at the pub:



lol

 

[a-dev]

Khev responds:

 

[Khev]

 

[a-dev]

I'll have to go back to it. I just couldn't process the written word yesterday.

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

An unworthy nemesis for the Batman.

There's a Batman?

 

[Asta]

There's a Batman?

There will be one day.

But in the Joker universe he'll probably be the one on the left:

 

[a-dev]

That continues to be horrifying. How the hell did he go from the left to the right